I've got everything excep the _LINK_ stuff. That will be done this week. I think I need to spend at least another 10 hours improving the migration speed (caching, etc)
2010-05-24 14415, 2010
ollie
and prepping it for a full migration
2010-05-24 14455, 2010
ruaok
so, two weeks until you're done for beta2 status?
2010-05-24 14420, 2010
ruaok
warp: how long did you say for the RE to be complete?
2010-05-24 14429, 2010
ollie
Well
2010-05-24 14434, 2010
warp
ruaok: two more weeks I hope.
2010-05-24 14435, 2010
ollie
I still have a ton of other tasks scheduled for beta 2
2010-05-24 14441, 2010
ollie
but 2 weeks to get my high priority stuff done
2010-05-24 14417, 2010
warp cheated and moved a bunch of stuff from beta2 to final :P
2010-05-24 14440, 2010
ruaok
well, since I started a bunch of bus dev stuff, my schedule is pretty packed with no chance for coding.
2010-05-24 14417, 2010
ruaok
so, I am wondering if we can even attempt to pull in the schedule with moving ollie to WS stuffs.
2010-05-24 14429, 2010
ruaok
it doesn't really sound like its going to really help. at all.
2010-05-24 14442, 2010
ruaok looks at ollie and warp
2010-05-24 14406, 2010
ruaok
how about this?
2010-05-24 14407, 2010
ollie
The schedule being the current taskload on jira?
2010-05-24 14423, 2010
djce joined the channel
2010-05-24 14433, 2010
ruaok
that is all up for question right now.
2010-05-24 14435, 2010
ruaok
hi djce
2010-05-24 14439, 2010
djce
hi
2010-05-24 14456, 2010
ollie
Well, if we narrow it down it should be good
2010-05-24 14400, 2010
ruaok
what if we do this: instead of moving ollie to WS, we keep warp on RE & WS/2.
2010-05-24 14411, 2010
ruaok
ollie works on his beta2 tickets and takes some from warp.
2010-05-24 14419, 2010
ruaok
and then we say beta 2 comes in 5 weeks?
2010-05-24 14430, 2010
warp
ollie: what are the other things you need to get done for beta2?
2010-05-24 14438, 2010
warp
ollie: anything that can wait?
2010-05-24 14443, 2010
ijabz
do we need the browse stuff for beta2 ?, could we finish the rest of the webservice for beta2 and do browse for beta3 and put it into that
2010-05-24 14456, 2010
ruaok
ijabz: interesting point.
2010-05-24 14411, 2010
ruaok
warp: how much time do you need to finish the changes portions of the ws/2 without implementing browse?
2010-05-24 14426, 2010
ijabz
because I dont like the idea of having a load of stuff not going in to beta2 and then going straight to final, so I think we need a beta 3 anyway
2010-05-24 14439, 2010
ruaok is eagerly looking forward to future projects we can plan more easily.
2010-05-24 14441, 2010
warp
ruaok: I estimated browse as 1 week, so that saves 1 week out of the 3 weeks I estimated for /ws/2.
2010-05-24 14455, 2010
ollie
warp: plenty
2010-05-24 14402, 2010
ruaok
ijabz: its looking like there might be a beta 3 at this rate. :(
2010-05-24 14404, 2010
ollie
But the other high priority stuff would be the NGS edits
2010-05-24 14430, 2010
warp
ruaok: let's call it rc1, sounds more positive ;)
2010-05-24 14435, 2010
ruaok
lol.
2010-05-24 14437, 2010
ijabz
IMO Final should just have things that were overlooked in beta, not extra stuff we ddnt have time to write for beta deadlines
2010-05-24 14404, 2010
ruaok
ok, RC1 in 4 weeks. complete edits (including NGS edits?), WS/2 done except browsing, and a working RE
2010-05-24 14407, 2010
ruaok
that doable?
2010-05-24 14413, 2010
ruaok
ijabz: agreed.
2010-05-24 14426, 2010
TrojanEel joined the channel
2010-05-24 14434, 2010
ruaok
and I am thinking that we ought to scap the dashboard, timeline and statistics for the NGS final release.
2010-05-24 14444, 2010
ruaok
and work hard to get those back for the first post NGS release.
2010-05-24 14446, 2010
warp
ruaok: yeah, sounds fine.
2010-05-24 14409, 2010
ruaok
anything that is not critical, even perhaps auto editor elections, should be dumped for now.
2010-05-24 14414, 2010
ruaok
otherwise we'lll never finish.
2010-05-24 14435, 2010
ruaok
warp: fine on RC1 in 4 weeks or dumping non-core features?
2010-05-24 14448, 2010
warp
ruaok: rc1 == beta3. beta2 should just be called beta2.
2010-05-24 14458, 2010
ruaok
ok.
2010-05-24 14405, 2010
ruaok
beta2 in 4 weeks?
2010-05-24 14417, 2010
ruaok
ollie: what could you get done in that timeframe?
2010-05-24 14418, 2010
warp
a release candidate should be more or less feature complete IMO.
2010-05-24 14427, 2010
warp
ruaok: yes, 4 weeks sounds fine.
2010-05-24 14454, 2010
ruaok
ollie: ?
2010-05-24 14458, 2010
ollie
ruaok: I think I could tighten up and bug fix every feature we have atm
2010-05-24 14403, 2010
ollie
but not add any real new stuff
2010-05-24 14410, 2010
ollie
(soryr, eating dinner and trying to host the couchsurfer :))
2010-05-24 14411, 2010
ruaok
how about NGS edits?
2010-05-24 14424, 2010
ollie
yea, I'd hope so
2010-05-24 14430, 2010
ruaok
ok, its a plan then.
2010-05-24 14431, 2010
nikki
we often go months without any auto-editor elections so I don't think those are critical, but if we're going to drop that to post-ngs, we should probably let the automods list know
2010-05-24 14444, 2010
ruaok
nikki: sounds fair.
2010-05-24 14457, 2010
ruaok
ok, beta2 delayed 4 weeks.
2010-05-24 14408, 2010
ruaok
but we're pushing this one out the door. no more schedule slips.
2010-05-24 14411, 2010
ollie
do we have a date?
2010-05-24 14416, 2010
ruaok
and we'll promise an RC1 as well.
2010-05-24 14420, 2010
ollie
(i'm away june 28th-july 10 remember)
2010-05-24 14434, 2010
warp
that's monday june 21st, right?
2010-05-24 14454, 2010
ruaok
yep.
2010-05-24 14402, 2010
ruaok
ok, that's really perfect.
2010-05-24 14410, 2010
ruaok
ollie finishes before vacation.
2010-05-24 14415, 2010
warp
:D
2010-05-24 14416, 2010
ruaok
june 21 it is.
2010-05-24 14424, 2010
ruaok
ok, I'll put up a blog post to that effect.
2010-05-24 14425, 2010
ollie
in hindsight
2010-05-24 14432, 2010
ollie
I think we struggled with this beta because it was just too big
2010-05-24 14441, 2010
ollie
300 odd tickets (mostly non trivial) is a lot
2010-05-24 14448, 2010
djce
I'd like some clarity on what needs to be done, install-wise, on/before that date.
2010-05-24 14448, 2010
ollie
so hopefully breaking it down into 2 more should work a lot better
2010-05-24 14400, 2010
ruaok
yeah. and we tackled really big thiings. and back-tracked on really big things.
2010-05-24 14407, 2010
ijabz
I think your lists were too ling making it hard to prioritise
2010-05-24 14411, 2010
ijabz
long
2010-05-24 14424, 2010
MBChatLogger
ruaok probably meant ' djce: realistically nothing. since we're only rolling it out to test.musicbrainz.org '
2010-05-24 14424, 2010
ruaok
djce: realistically nothing. since we're only rolling it out to test.mb.org
2010-05-24 14430, 2010
djce
ok
2010-05-24 14443, 2010
warp
I like having clear goals-with-specs, like I have now for beta2 :)
2010-05-24 14449, 2010
ruaok
ijabz: agreed. like I said I am looking forward to working with much more concrete milestones post NGS
2010-05-24 14409, 2010
ruaok
ok, lets review last week then.
2010-05-24 14413, 2010
ruaok
warp: you first?
2010-05-24 14422, 2010
warp
yes
2010-05-24 14456, 2010
warp
I started off last being quite frustrated with HTML::FormHandler, and in general being stuck on creating the wizard.
2010-05-24 14419, 2010
warp
with a bit of help from aCiD2 and gshank in #formhandler those issues were resolved
2010-05-24 14445, 2010
warp
so that now I have a basic working release editor wizard. (no artists, no javascript).
2010-05-24 14452, 2010
ruaok
oooh!
2010-05-24 14409, 2010
ruaok
do you feel like its time to get more feedback now?
2010-05-24 14413, 2010
warp
I have started adding javascript bits today after lunch, a very early track parser is working now.
2010-05-24 14428, 2010
ruaok gets excited
2010-05-24 14453, 2010
ollie too
2010-05-24 14436, 2010
warp
I have no easy way to give people access to my dev-machine.
2010-05-24 14446, 2010
ollie
can't it be pushed to test?
2010-05-24 14459, 2010
ollie
:80 is not really being used for anything atm (seeing as we're not launching a beta today)
2010-05-24 14403, 2010
ruaok
I'd be up for that. this is important enough to detour test
2010-05-24 14406, 2010
warp
test has next, with the previous attempts at revamping the release editor.
2010-05-24 14415, 2010
ollie
yea, but that can change, np
2010-05-24 14421, 2010
ruaok
warp: push your change to test plz.
2010-05-24 14423, 2010
ollie
or you just merge your stuff into next?
2010-05-24 14431, 2010
ollie
i mean, the point of it is to track the next work :)
2010-05-24 14449, 2010
warp
ollie: I'm afraid merging into next will give me heaps and heaps of conflicts.
2010-05-24 14455, 2010
warp
ollie: though I haven't tried.
2010-05-24 14400, 2010
ruaok
then lets not worry about it now.
2010-05-24 14408, 2010
ruaok
just push your working branch to test.
2010-05-24 14429, 2010
ruaok
I really want to give people *something* in lieu of a beta.
2010-05-24 14437, 2010
ollie nods
2010-05-24 14442, 2010
ruaok
ollie: any chance you could work on that once warp goes to bed?
2010-05-24 14443, 2010
ollie
fair enough, that's no big problem
2010-05-24 14443, 2010
warp
can we reboot next to the current master?
2010-05-24 14450, 2010
ollie
ruaok: pushing the branch out?
2010-05-24 14401, 2010
ruaok
ollie: get the RE on test by any means possible.
2010-05-24 14409, 2010
ollie
If warp leaves it pushed to warp.git and tells me the branch name, I'll do the rest of the heavy lifting
2010-05-24 14416, 2010
ruaok
great.
2010-05-24 14429, 2010
ruaok
please do that. once you're done I'll put up the blog post.
2010-05-24 14432, 2010
warp
ollie: other than you're edit branches there's nothing interesting in next which isn't in master, is there?
2010-05-24 14443, 2010
ollie
Ok, it might be late eveningish, but I'll get it done
2010-05-24 14444, 2010
warp
s/you're/your/
2010-05-24 14447, 2010
ollie
warp: that's what I'm thinking
2010-05-24 14453, 2010
ollie
so long as you haven't added anything recently
2010-05-24 14410, 2010
warp
ollie: no, I've been working on my own branches for the past few weeks.
