Leftmost: l() is from components/common-macros.tt, which is one of a few files which are pre-loaded so that other templates can use those macros.
Leftmost
Also, the general consensus was that I should scope up, yeah? That the proposal as it is isn't enough work?
ruaok
yes.
that is about 1/3 to 1/2 of a decent project.
navap
balsamiq seems to be application mockups, not website mockups.
ruaok
navap: we've used them for web mockups in the past.
for the release editor.
when brianfreud was working on it.
navap
Oh yeah? hmm that was a long time ago, I barely remember it.
ruaok
sadly everything we've done there has been tossed out.
Leftmost
Well, I'm not totally sure, but it seems like subscriptions might be a bit of work. What about extending the access item to include sharing a given collection with specific users? Also, the tagging item might be a good addition.
ruaok
ok, done with looking at Soc stuff, navap.
navap
I've been tidying the google doc up a bit here and there. I'm constantly being called to help my sister though.
She's playing through her first Zelda temple :p
ruaok
oh, important stuff. :)
navap
I'm so proud :p And also so frustrated at the same time haha
ruaok can honestly say he has never played zelda. or would even recognize zelda if she tapped me on the shoulder.
nikki
link's probably more recognisable anyway
ruaok
at least I recognize the name to be a game. :)
Leftmost
Any thoughts on that scoping ideas?
ruaok
Leftmost: thats pretty much what you're supposed to figure out.
nikki
Leftmost: I don't know what your application looks like at the moment, but I noticed in one of your emails you weren't sure about the collection artists thing, would you be changing how that works?
Leftmost
ruaok, I'm asking for feedback, as I'm not so sure about how long things will take with the codebase.
ruaok
scope up is my concrete feedback.
if you can't tell how long something will take, you've not looked at it with enough detail.
Leftmost
I'm not good at estimating time. I don't have time right now to read through all of the code and figure out exactly what changes I need to make. It seems to me that that's a large part of the mentoring process and the whole GSoC thing in general.
ruaok
yes, it is part of the mentoring process.
and so is the selection of the right students.
if you don;t have time right now, chances are that you won't have time during the summer and that you might not be the right student.
Leftmost
I'm not in school during the summer. The sum of my time constraints are directly related to the fact that I'm a student.
Which is, as I understand it, the point.
ruaok
true.
but I've mentored students who swore up and down they would have time during the summer. and they didn't.
you either want this and will make it happen, or you don't want it and won;t make it happen.
I've become VERY critical of student applications. if the app is no good, chances are VERY good that the student wont do a good job.
Leftmost
I'm trying to put together a good application, but I need feedback. As it stands, it seems like I'm being told that if I don't already know, that's just too bad.
ruaok
no. what I am saying is that you need to do more work.
the mentoring comes once you've convinced us that you'll do a good job.
We'll tell ya when you're attempting too much.
And we've already told you you're not doing enough.
ok, here is a tip for you:
say you will do X and Y in the time alloted.
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if you have more time, you will attempt to do Z and ZZ and ZZZ
Leftmost
I gave further suggestions and the response was that I needed to figure it out myself.
ruaok
correct.
unless we have a concrete idea of what WE want you to do, we can't tell you what to do.
Leftmost
I'm not asking to. I'm asking if you feel like the further suggestions that I gave are enough. That's all.
I have my own ideas and I can continue adding to the list, but I've already said I'm not sure how much time it will take.
ruaok
then you need to take your idea and investigate what it would take to do them.
you need to do that work anyway to convince us you've thought about this enough to understand the scope of your problem.
if you're just guessing as to how long something will take then that shows in your app.
and it does right now.
half of the apps we have for the android application are awesome.
GUI mocks ups. schedules. flow graphs.
I can see that lots of work went into those proposals.
pronik
ruaok: any way non-mentors can see those proposals?
ruaok
I can't share it with you.
but if you ask the students they may share it with you.
I'd love for them to be all open, but we're not allowed to share.
let me see if I can find that in the FAQ for sure
pronik
I can wait a couple of days/weeks until it's clear what has been accepted
ruaok
after the fact is a totally different game, I think.
pronik
right
ruaok
let me get clarification.
pronik
ruaok: on a connected, but a different topic: do you have any idea what ijabz uses for tagging inside of java?
ruaok
no clue, sorry.
pronik
I just wondered whether the same library or whatever that is could be used for android
ok
alastairp
pronik: tagging?
pronik
alastairp: rather reading tags properly
Leftmost
Well, the suggested time is 10 hours per week, right?
pronik
I don't really care about writing them, but reading them seems to be hard too
alastairp
pronik: sorry - mp3 tags, or "web" tags?
pronik
mutagen is the only library I'm aware of that gets it right 99%
Leftmost
At minimum.
pronik
alastairp: music tags
alastairp
right, gotcha :-P
pronik
not only mp3, but essentially yes
alastairp
yeah, the python stuff we did we ended up forking out to the reference apps
metaflac, etc
pronik
in context of android this stuff becomes difficult if you just need to read a tag
in theory, one could run mutagen inside python inside android scripting environment
in practice that's not really feasable
alastairp
oh, android
right
what does the android music player use?
pronik
yeah, I'm trying to get my teeth into it
alastairp: good question, I didn't look into the tagging source
all I know is that the media player provides a service which I could query, however the only useful part is the filename, since I'd like to have MBIDs
