luks: would it work if we had two types of work, compositions (what a composer writes) and songs (what an artist has)? I'm guessing it would duplicate some data, but maybe it would satisfy everyone better...
2010-04-05 09516, 2010
nikki
it's also entirely possible that I haven't thought the idea through properly
2010-04-05 09551, 2010
luks
nikki: I'm not really sure
2010-04-05 09508, 2010
luks
that was the original idea actually
2010-04-05 09544, 2010
luks
but I don't see it working well with the minimalistic setup in NGS
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jensl
hi
2010-04-05 09542, 2010
warp
hello
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brianfreud
warp: ping?
2010-04-05 09513, 2010
warp
ack
2010-04-05 09545, 2010
brianfreud
I wouldn't object to changed lang, but 'question' != 'veto' :P
2010-04-05 09554, 2010
brianfreud
warp: Sigh, wth are you doing? :P
2010-04-05 09517, 2010
brianfreud
you can't veto something 17 hours *after* it passes
2010-04-05 09556, 2010
luks
you can
2010-04-05 09559, 2010
warp
I identified an issue with the proposal which should've been addressed.
2010-04-05 09547, 2010
brianfreud
luks, no you can't.
2010-04-05 09500, 2010
brianfreud
Something is either in RFV, or it's not. If it's not, then it cannot be vetoed.
2010-04-05 09524, 2010
luks
this is a community process
2010-04-05 09533, 2010
luks
it's all about discussion
2010-04-05 09545, 2010
brianfreud
sigh, process, not free for all where you ignore the process whenever any one person decides
2010-04-05 09522, 2010
luks
the RFV is meant as tool to make sure we all agree
2010-04-05 09543, 2010
luks
there was no specific time period before you specified it
2010-04-05 09527, 2010
brianfreud
*I* didn't specify it; the process we all agreed to last summer did.
2010-04-05 09543, 2010
brianfreud
As it is, I left that one to sit longer than 48 hours: Apr 2 02:56:09 until Apr 4 16:03:02
2010-04-05 09509, 2010
luks
you still don't get it :)
2010-04-05 09542, 2010
brianfreud
But you can't then just arbitrarily reopen the RFV on Apr 5 05:32:41 after it's already closed, your having not gotten around to sending an email for a few days.
2010-04-05 09543, 2010
luks
so if I veto it on Apr 4 16:03:03, it's invalid? :)
2010-04-05 09501, 2010
warp
brianfreud: I posted my objection within the veto period
2010-04-05 09533, 2010
brianfreud
warp: a question is not the same thing as a publicly cast veto
2010-04-05 09531, 2010
brianfreud
luks: technically, but even I've not been the one to make that claim, no matter whose proposal; if the veto's come in prior to my/the champion's having sent an official end to RFV, then I've counted it even if it's at 48:01.
2010-04-05 09532, 2010
warp
brianfreud: I'm sorry for not being clear enough.
2010-04-05 09546, 2010
brianfreud
as I say, I have no objection to what you talked about
2010-04-05 09526, 2010
brianfreud
I just don't like the ignoring of the process entirely
2010-04-05 09525, 2010
warp
I don't think I'm ignoring the process. again, I voiced my concerns within the veto period.
2010-04-05 09548, 2010
brianfreud
sure, but we've had plenty of conversations about proposals during RFV withou a veto cast.
2010-04-05 09554, 2010
warp
I did not expect you to then ignore them and continue with the RFV, if I would've known that, I would've used the exact word 'veto' in that mail.
2010-04-05 09526, 2010
luks
btw, what happened with the idea of announcing style changes?
nikki: I don't think they're particularly useful, I would like to remove them.
2010-04-05 09527, 2010
warp
(not the entire templates, but the boxes in the top-rigth)
2010-04-05 09528, 2010
warp
right
2010-04-05 09558, 2010
warp
navap: if you're around, did you do the css for transcluded wikipages?
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navap
warp: No I haven't touched wikidoc css yet.
2010-04-05 09505, 2010
navap
It's on my todo list. I've got lots of css already written that I can copy over, I haven't figured out everything yet though (like what to do for headers).
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warp
navap: ok :)
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aCiD2` waves
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ruaok
aCiD2 & warp: have you two looked at the the proposals for soc?
2010-04-05 09528, 2010
aCiD2`
still only briefly, would you like me to spend some time now?
2010-04-05 09538, 2010
ruaok
yes, plz
2010-04-05 09546, 2010
aCiD2`
ok
2010-04-05 09508, 2010
ruaok
as far as I am concerned all proposals except the two that I gave a +1 to are lacking in signifcant ways.
2010-04-05 09513, 2010
aCiD2`
ruaok: I'm going to paste these notes in as private review, let me know how much of them should go public
2010-04-05 09524, 2010
ruaok
ok
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ruaok
jensl: in your app timeline you have "Go native on Android" what does that mean?
2010-04-05 09529, 2010
ruaok
port everything to java?
2010-04-05 09549, 2010
jensl
no
2010-04-05 09503, 2010
warp
ruaok: I've looked at them on friday and gave leftmost some feedback.
2010-04-05 09508, 2010
jensl
with the usage of phonegap you can transform the web app into a native app
2010-04-05 09535, 2010
ruaok
really? it will spit out java code? byte code?
2010-04-05 09510, 2010
jensl
not really java code but a java based android application based on the html,css, js code
2010-04-05 09539, 2010
jensl
so the environment is java but the UI stays HTML etc.
2010-04-05 09508, 2010
ruaok
ah, I see.
2010-04-05 09518, 2010
jensl
it is also possible to build a native iphone app out of it
2010-04-05 09533, 2010
ruaok
I'm generally distrustful of these kinds of tools. I would prefer a native java application, TBH
2010-04-05 09546, 2010
ruaok
jensl: I can see that as a total +1
2010-04-05 09526, 2010
jensl
i have no problem to build a native java application and the concept i proposed would be mostly the same
2010-04-05 09558, 2010
ruaok
do you have an example app that has been built with the tools you're suggesting?
2010-04-05 09501, 2010
jensl
it is just an interesting opportunity to build cross-plattform native apps
2010-04-05 09505, 2010
ruaok
I would love to install one on my N1 and try it out.
2010-04-05 09510, 2010
jensl
unfortunately not i just did some research on phonegap for my bachelor thesis but it was not applicable for the special case considered in my thesis
ruaok has changed the topic to: agenda: review, SoC, UX stuffs, more?
2010-04-05 09543, 2010
ruaok
welcome everyone.
2010-04-05 09547, 2010
warp
hello!
2010-04-05 09551, 2010
ruaok
aCiD2`: wanna lead off?
2010-04-05 09551, 2010
navap
Hi
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aCiD2`
my god, 8pm already?! I thought it was 4pm half an ago, jeez
2010-04-05 09511, 2010
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2010-04-05 09516, 2010
ruaok
lol
2010-04-05 09519, 2010
aCiD2`
just give me a moment to bring up my worklog...
2010-04-05 09541, 2010
warp
ruaok: for the agenda, I have a quick question on postgresql mirroring / data feed / whatever for developers.
2010-04-05 09541, 2010
ruaok
ok.
2010-04-05 09549, 2010
ruaok
ok
2010-04-05 09557, 2010
aCiD2`
Ok, so last week was steady progress on the edit migration again - I've got apparently 37 edit migrations done now - which is looking good!
2010-04-05 09508, 2010
ruaok
nice. out of 50 something?
2010-04-05 09515, 2010
aCiD2`
Bit more than that, 70 ish
2010-04-05 09517, 2010
ruaok
ruaok has changed the topic to: agenda: review, SoC, UX stuffs, replication, more?
2010-04-05 09522, 2010
ruaok
yuck.
2010-04-05 09525, 2010
aCiD2`
I didn't quite get as far as getting everything that can be migrated done, but fairly close.
2010-04-05 09540, 2010
aCiD2`
I spent a bit of time working on some ISRC edit types too, and they needed an NGS equivilent, so that was a bit slower.
2010-04-05 09557, 2010
aCiD2`
and then I was lazy and took good friday and the weekend off to eat chocolate :)
2010-04-05 09502, 2010
warp
haha
2010-04-05 09504, 2010
ruaok
+1
2010-04-05 09507, 2010
ruaok
chocolate! :)
2010-04-05 09512, 2010
aCiD2`
oh also
2010-04-05 09530, 2010
aCiD2`
the first part of the edit migration work is in master now - which is nice. I should hopefully be able to start getting some of these other edits into review now
2010-04-05 09549, 2010
ruaok
good.
2010-04-05 09525, 2010
ruaok
do you feel you've crossed all the hurdles with the migration?
2010-04-05 09546, 2010
aCiD2`
I think so... I've got all the release event editing stuff done, and adding releases
2010-04-05 09552, 2010
aCiD2`
surely those are the most complex
2010-04-05 09555, 2010
ruaok
the biggies. ok.
2010-04-05 09509, 2010
ruaok
well then, thats good to know. I'm glad we're getting a handle on this large task.
2010-04-05 09515, 2010
ruaok
ok, warp, how about you?
2010-04-05 09517, 2010
aCiD2`
the only one hurdle is relationships
2010-04-05 09528, 2010
ruaok
aCiD2`: why?
2010-04-05 09539, 2010
aCiD2`
That's going to be hard - artist:artist relationships map to NGS fine. But release:artist doesn't (because 1 release could be n releases in NGS)
