ruaok: I mostly spent my week on small stuff while waiting for more release editor feedback.
2010-04-05 09502, 2010
aCiD2`
so I'm not entirely sure how to handle that - we could go always read only, or we could try and migrate some (that make sense) and leave some historic
2010-04-05 09508, 2010
ruaok
arhg. its the edit side of the AR mess.
2010-04-05 09531, 2010
ruaok
aCiD2`: might be good to ask murdos / luks on that. they wrote the migration script.
2010-04-05 09542, 2010
warp
aCiD2`: I'd probably vote for readonly again.
2010-04-05 09546, 2010
aCiD2`
I think it might be safest to go all historic here. sadly, we won't benefit then from being able to search edit_artist for artist related ARs, but given the time, it's the most likely to work
2010-04-05 09552, 2010
aCiD2` nods
2010-04-05 09553, 2010
ruaok
+1
2010-04-05 09555, 2010
warp
preserves history the best.
2010-04-05 09511, 2010
aCiD2`
warp: right, it's just a lot of people have been begging for us to fix this :)
2010-04-05 09519, 2010
ruaok
warp: lets cover bits about the RE in a little bit.
2010-04-05 09530, 2010
warp
ruaok: I've helped aCiD2` with a few of these readonly edits, sadly one duplicate.
2010-04-05 09541, 2010
ruaok
bummer.
2010-04-05 09553, 2010
aCiD2` puts the dunce hat on
2010-04-05 09520, 2010
ruaok
warp: have you looked at the widgets and proposal tracker proposals for SoC?
2010-04-05 09505, 2010
warp
ruaok: yes, I had a look on friday, gave leftmost some feedback on irc and wanted to give xiainx some feedback too. but some other stuff came up and I never got around to poking xiainx on irc.
2010-04-05 09519, 2010
ruaok
ok.
2010-04-05 09527, 2010
warp
ruaok: I'll add my comments to the proposals after this meeting.
2010-04-05 09530, 2010
ruaok
I generally feel that the applications are pretty light on details so far.
2010-04-05 09536, 2010
warp
definitely.
2010-04-05 09543, 2010
ruaok
warp: thanks. I'd like to get the students feedback on what is lacking.
2010-04-05 09517, 2010
ruaok
I guess my template is partly to blame because I didn't ask *specific* questions about the proposals themselves.
2010-04-05 09524, 2010
warp
although the proposals application is just hard, because we're fuzzy on what exactly we're looking for (we don't really know :).. and it's something which should be created to fit the workflows of the StyleCouncil.
2010-04-05 09530, 2010
ruaok
I think I need to save the proposal template on the wiki for next year.
2010-04-05 09546, 2010
ruaok
agreed.
2010-04-05 09518, 2010
ruaok
anything else warp?
2010-04-05 09544, 2010
warp
hm, no, nothing else noteworthy.
2010-04-05 09552, 2010
xiainx
is there any documentation about the style council that you would recommend reading?
2010-04-05 09517, 2010
ruaok
as for my week... we had the board meeting. I did a load of finances and quite a few business related calls.
2010-04-05 09534, 2010
warp
xiainx: if you have some time after this meeting I can explain the process and our issues with it a bit better.
2010-04-05 09548, 2010
ruaok
and I spent a ton of time dealing with SoC. proposals, chasing students, reading messages, that type of stuff.
2010-04-05 09504, 2010
ruaok
more on some of that when we get tot he UX stuff.
2010-04-05 09528, 2010
ruaok
anyone else for updates? ijabz, murdos, navap, nikki?
2010-04-05 09544, 2010
ruaok
pronik, bueller, brianfreud?
2010-04-05 09545, 2010
warp
oh, I did forget to mention something. I took some earlier to get back into style issues. I'll be posting a Post NGS artist page at some point this week.
2010-04-05 09552, 2010
warp
s/some/some time/
2010-04-05 09513, 2010
ruaok
excellent. looking forward to it.
2010-04-05 09526, 2010
nikki didn't do much
2010-04-05 09527, 2010
navap
Not really, I lost my virtualbox image so I've been staying away from VB for the time being and just working on documentation.
2010-04-05 09550, 2010
ruaok
navap: bummer. :(
2010-04-05 09552, 2010
ijabz
fixed two minor bugs
2010-04-05 09555, 2010
aCiD2`
:o have you lost any work?
2010-04-05 09516, 2010
navap
I lost my work on the menu branch because I hadn't pushed that, but all my edit stuff is on github (phew!)
2010-04-05 09528, 2010
ruaok
sounds like you need a dev box, navap.
2010-04-05 09530, 2010
navap
s/menu/home page/
2010-04-05 09549, 2010
ruaok
how did the VB die?
2010-04-05 09552, 2010
navap
I've got screenshots I can work off of to recreate the home page though, so not a big deal.
2010-04-05 09526, 2010
navap
ruaok: No idea, VB had an error when I started, I checked the FAQs and it said to reinstall and that reinstalling doesn't touch your existing machines, I reinstalled and everything was gone.
2010-04-05 09545, 2010
ruaok
oh bugger. :(
2010-04-05 09553, 2010
pronik
blame it on oracle ;)
2010-04-05 09556, 2010
ruaok
damn open soruce software.
2010-04-05 09506, 2010
ruaok
ok, moving on to SoC stuffs.
2010-04-05 09506, 2010
navap
Yeah, but I'm really loving how github has (mostly) everything :)
2010-04-05 09527, 2010
ruaok
xiainx, jensl, carols: any comments questions about SoC?
2010-04-05 09540, 2010
jensl
not really
2010-04-05 09558, 2010
carols
nope. :-)
2010-04-05 09504, 2010
jensl
i work on the UI mock up, you did not leave any further questionts so i think everything else is clear?!?
2010-04-05 09518, 2010
ruaok wasnt expecting any questions from carols. more like instructions. :)
2010-04-05 09544, 2010
carols
i sent my instructions to the mentors list :-)
2010-04-05 09545, 2010
ruaok
jensl: my comment was about the use about the non-native UI.
2010-04-05 09550, 2010
carols
disobey it and i will have comments.
2010-04-05 09501, 2010
ruaok bows down before carols
2010-04-05 09510, 2010
carols
:-)
2010-04-05 09523, 2010
jensl
ok
2010-04-05 09537, 2010
ruaok
jensl: I still have to think about how I feel about that.
2010-04-05 09546, 2010
jensl
no problem
2010-04-05 09557, 2010
aCiD2`
students, keep your eyes peeled on proposals soon though :) I've finally had time to go through them, and just have to work my notes into a format to give you
2010-04-05 09557, 2010
ruaok
I generally hate being at the mercy of some other toolkit. if that toolkit goes away we can't update our app anymore.
2010-04-05 09507, 2010
jdamcd
could I get feedback on what still needs more detail in my proposal at some stage
2010-04-05 09515, 2010
ruaok
but I like the possibility of having an iphone app come out of this too.
2010-04-05 09518, 2010
warp
ruaok: what's the license on the toolkit?
2010-04-05 09536, 2010
ruaok
warp: I haven't looked.
2010-04-05 09501, 2010
jensl
i think it is gpl
2010-04-05 09512, 2010
jensl checks...
2010-04-05 09516, 2010
ruaok
jdamcd: I can give you some more feedback in a minute. I think your app needed the lest amount of more detail.
2010-04-05 09520, 2010
warp
if it's GPL compatible open source, then it's not _too_ bad to rely on it.
2010-04-05 09528, 2010
ruaok
warp: agreed.
2010-04-05 09545, 2010
ruaok
the other concern I have it that we'd be delivering two mediocre apps, instead on one good one.
2010-04-05 09548, 2010
jensl
it is MIT
2010-04-05 09555, 2010
warp
ruaok: agreed :)
2010-04-05 09504, 2010
ruaok
warp & aCiD2`: I'd love to get your feedback on the use of these two toolkits.
2010-04-05 09516, 2010
warp
ruaok: I'll have to take a better look
2010-04-05 09517, 2010
ruaok
jensl is willing to go java native if we prefer it.
2010-04-05 09520, 2010
ruaok
ok, thanks.
2010-04-05 09526, 2010
ruaok
any other questions about SoC?
2010-04-05 09527, 2010
aCiD2`
I'm pretty anti generated code stuff for the reasons that were mentioned, but I'll have a look too, time permitting
2010-04-05 09533, 2010
warp
which toolkit are we talking about exactly?
2010-04-05 09541, 2010
jensl
concerning phonegap, there are 3 possibilities, 1) using phonegap to port the mobile optimized pages / web app native to different plattforms, 2) build hybrid application with mobile optimized pages using native web UI component + additional functionality for barcode scanning, 3) complete native application
2010-04-05 09547, 2010
jensl
phonegap and jqtouch for UI
2010-04-05 09554, 2010
ruaok
warp: phonegap and jqtouch
2010-04-05 09556, 2010
warp
jensl: ok, thanks. I'll have a look.
2010-04-05 09558, 2010
jensl
but jqtouch is optional
2010-04-05 09509, 2010
ruaok
aCiD2`: thanks.
2010-04-05 09525, 2010
ruaok
ok, onward to UX stuffs.
2010-04-05 09535, 2010
ruaok
ruaok has changed the topic to: agenda: UX stuffs, replication
2010-04-05 09512, 2010
ruaok
so, RagingAmazon is not going to apply for SoC since we all feel that she does not code enough to really qualify for SoC.
2010-04-05 09529, 2010
ruaok
but, in exchange for recommendation letters, credit and dinner she will help us anyway. :)
2010-04-05 09538, 2010
aCiD2` can provide chocolate contributions too
2010-04-05 09559, 2010
ruaok
so on wednesday her and I will spend the day working on taking the release editor to task.
2010-04-05 09556, 2010
ruaok
warp: I think you and I should spend some time today/tomorrow talking about exactly what still needs to be addressed for the Re.
2010-04-05 09519, 2010
warp
ruaok: ok, tomorrow would be better. I'd like to give xiainx feedback after the meeting, and then sleep.
2010-04-05 09529, 2010
ruaok
maybe we should have another release editor meeting tomorow?
2010-04-05 09535, 2010
ruaok
warp: sounds good.
2010-04-05 09545, 2010
ruaok
how about in 23.5 hours from now?
2010-04-05 09558, 2010
warp
ruaok: yes, ok with me.
2010-04-05 09501, 2010
ruaok
aCiD2`, navap, nikki: can any of you make that?
2010-04-05 09518, 2010
navap
ugh 23.5 hours lol that always confuses me. But yeah, I think I can make that :)
2010-04-05 09525, 2010
ruaok
I'd love more eyes to pick apart the issues in the RE.
2010-04-05 09526, 2010
aCiD2`
I think so!
2010-04-05 09536, 2010
ruaok
navap: 3pm your time. :)
2010-04-05 09545, 2010
navap
:)
2010-04-05 09508, 2010
ruaok
ok, its officially on the schedule. I will invite RagingAmazon as well.
2010-04-05 09512, 2010
warp
yay
2010-04-05 09513, 2010
ruaok
warp: replication. go!
2010-04-05 09536, 2010
nikki can
2010-04-05 09539, 2010
warp
I want to continue on the sorting issues (MBS-136), for that I could really use some data nikki entered on test.musicbrainz.org
2010-04-05 09552, 2010
nikki
did it disappear again?
2010-04-05 09555, 2010
warp
ruaok: can I get test replicated to here? is that running?
2010-04-05 09514, 2010
warp
nikki: no, some good test data under morning musume still :)
2010-04-05 09521, 2010
ruaok
not right now.
2010-04-05 09530, 2010
ruaok
and in order to re-start it I would need to reload the data on test.
2010-04-05 09544, 2010
ruaok
aCiD2`: all the pending schema changes are in now, right?
2010-04-05 09555, 2010
warp
ruaok: urgh, so the test data will actually be destroyed in the process of trying to get it to me? meh!
2010-04-05 09503, 2010
ruaok
warp: sadly, so.
2010-04-05 09506, 2010
aCiD2`
afaik
2010-04-05 09508, 2010
murdos
ruaok: no, work aliases are still missing
2010-04-05 09524, 2010
aCiD2`
murdos: we can do that without a new upgrade though
2010-04-05 09524, 2010
ruaok
murdos: what needs to be done there?
2010-04-05 09532, 2010
aCiD2`
just a work_alias table, right?
2010-04-05 09535, 2010
murdos
yes
2010-04-05 09537, 2010
warp
ruaok: in that case perhaps it would be easier to just make a backup of of the current db and load it here.
2010-04-05 09549, 2010
ruaok
aCiD2`: adding or modifying a table requires the replication to be changed.
2010-04-05 09557, 2010
aCiD2`
ah..
2010-04-05 09559, 2010
ruaok
warp: ok, i can do that.
2010-04-05 09512, 2010
ruaok
murdos: are you working on this last change?
2010-04-05 09516, 2010
murdos
the work_alias is nearly done, I just missed the unit tests
2010-04-05 09524, 2010
ruaok
ok, great.
2010-04-05 09536, 2010
ruaok
I'll restart the replication once the work_alias patch has been accepted.
2010-04-05 09547, 2010
ijabz
murdos, sounds like I need to add this to search index ?
2010-04-05 09553, 2010
ruaok
and in the meantime I will dump the DB on test make it avaiulable to your warp.
2010-04-05 09555, 2010
murdos
ijabz: yes
2010-04-05 09559, 2010
warp
ruaok: great!
2010-04-05 09505, 2010
ruaok
ok.
2010-04-05 09518, 2010
ruaok
anything else for today's meeting?
2010-04-05 09525, 2010
ijabz
murdos could you raise an issue for me , with details ?
2010-04-05 09532, 2010
murdos
ijabz: ok
2010-04-05 09500, 2010
murdos
ruaok: can we talk about commit notifications?
2010-04-05 09508, 2010
ruaok
murdos: go!
2010-04-05 09516, 2010
warp
warp has changed the topic to: agenda: commit notifications
