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      • phidauex
        I'm logging. I don't understand '', phidauex. Try /msg MBChatLogger help

        • 2003-03-31 09038, 2003

      • phidauex
        hey hey, does anyone know what bot program is used for MBChatLogger?

        • 2003-03-31 09001, 2003

      • phidauex
        we'd like to implement on over on irc.dinomite.net/#audioscrobbler

        • 2003-03-31 09002, 2003

      • ruaok
        I believe its the one from the W3

        • 2003-03-31 09008, 2003

      • ruaok
        try snooping aournd w3.org

        • 2003-03-31 09008, 2003

      • phidauex
        rrsagent?

        • 2003-03-31 09019, 2003

      • ruaok
        dunno, reall..

        • 2003-03-31 09029, 2003

      • phidauex
        ok.. looks like it

        • 2003-03-31 09035, 2003

      • phidauex
        thanks :)

        • 2003-03-31 09050, 2003

      • phidauex
        man, any idea where to get the source for it? :P

        • 2003-03-31 09055, 2003

      • phidauex
        google is turning up nuthing

        • 2003-03-31 09058, 2003

      • phidauex
        ok, found it finally :P

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      • djce
        Morning, phidauex

        • 2003-03-31 09043, 2003

      • phidauex
        morning, dj ;)

        • 2003-03-31 09049, 2003

      • phidauex
        very early in the morning

        • 2003-03-31 09003, 2003

      • djce
        Too early for me - what time zone are you in?

        • 2003-03-31 09014, 2003

      • phidauex
        central standard.. its 1:45am

        • 2003-03-31 09019, 2003

      • djce
        It's 8.44am here

        • 2003-03-31 09021, 2003

      • phidauex
        ahh

        • 2003-03-31 09028, 2003

      • phidauex
        but you recently got up, i've been up all day :)

        • 2003-03-31 09040, 2003

      • djce
        Don't you need some sleep or something? :-)

        • 2003-03-31 09004, 2003

      • phidauex
        i don't have a job (actually, i sort of do, but i haven't started yet), so i just sleep whenever

        • 2003-03-31 09035, 2003

      • djce
        Do you do programming? Keeping a web site up & stable is a real PITA. But fun.

        • 2003-03-31 09045, 2003

      • phidauex
        i've been waiting (fruitlessly) for my website's servers to come back online so i can install a photo gallery for my girlfriend (gallery.sf.net) but they have been down all day :(

        • 2003-03-31 09054, 2003

      • djce
        It's so frustrating in some senses.

        • 2003-03-31 09022, 2003

      • djce
        All these new, improved features which have been written, but actually getting them onto the live site isn't easy.

        • 2003-03-31 09034, 2003

      • phidauex
        well, the job i got is working at a science museum. My job description is basically "Make sure the patrons of the museum find science fun and stimulating"

        • 2003-03-31 09048, 2003

      • phidauex
        yeah, i hear that, djce

        • 2003-03-31 09052, 2003

      • djce
        Cool. Sounds like a nice job.

        • 2003-03-31 09000, 2003

      • phidauex
        programming is basically a hobby for me, i've never been paid for it

        • 2003-03-31 09035, 2003

      • phidauex
        yeah, i get to give presentations to groups of kids, explain exhibits to people, design new exhibits, etc. science education is something i'm really into

        • 2003-03-31 09046, 2003

      • phidauex
        what sort of stuff are you integrating into the site, djce?

        • 2003-03-31 09049, 2003

      • djce
        (Mmmm. Need more morning coffee. Must wake up.)

        • 2003-03-31 09003, 2003

      • djce
        Improved search engine, that's the biggest one from my perspective.

        • 2003-03-31 09011, 2003

      • djce
        Improved security and validation.

        • 2003-03-31 09029, 2003

      • djce
        Auto-warnings for entering tracks beginning with the track numbers.

        • 2003-03-31 09054, 2003

      • phidauex
        oh, small question.. do you use any sort of checks to make sure people aren't putting filth into the database, ie, replay attacks, or people submitting lots and lots of bogus data and trms?

        • 2003-03-31 09055, 2003

      • djce
        Those are the main ones I can think of for now...

        • 2003-03-31 09010, 2003

      • djce
        No, not yet.

        • 2003-03-31 09028, 2003

      • phidauex
        we are exploring the idea for audioscrobbler.. right now it would be painfully easy for a script kiddy to fill the database with bad data

        • 2003-03-31 09040, 2003

      • djce
        The actual bit which inserts the data as a moderation is fairly rough-n-ready. It pretty much accepts anything.

        • 2003-03-31 09045, 2003

      • phidauex
        we can basically rely on human goodness, but a few checks to make that harder could be warranted

        • 2003-03-31 09058, 2003

      • phidauex
        your voting system is nice

        • 2003-03-31 09012, 2003

      • djce
        Well, that's what the moderation system is for in a sense. But some things don't get voted on, e.g. adding TRMs

        • 2003-03-31 09015, 2003

      • phidauex
        but AS couldn't really have people vote on every single song submission ;)

        • 2003-03-31 09019, 2003

      • djce
        so bad TRMs could easily be added.

        • 2003-03-31 09050, 2003

      • djce
        Our moderation system is OK, but could be a lot better. Of course, that's a lotta work :-)

        • 2003-03-31 09058, 2003

      • phidauex
        mmhmm

        • 2003-03-31 09021, 2003

      • djce
        Voting is like the best and the worst part of MB.

        • 2003-03-31 09046, 2003

      • djce
        Great idea; real PITA to actually do. We have lots of dedicated people :-)

        • 2003-03-31 09056, 2003

      • phidauex
        i think the next step would be some sort of trust metric, so that people who are 'good modders' can be given priority moderation ability

        • 2003-03-31 09008, 2003

      • phidauex
        of course, how to do that right is something no one knows. :(

        • 2003-03-31 09044, 2003

      • djce
        Yes. At the moment that's just a two-stage thing - you're either a normal moderator, or an "automod" - i.e. your edits don't need votes to make them happen.

        • 2003-03-31 09055, 2003

      • phidauex
        i get frustrated when i tag an album, and find that the data is all messed up. I fix the data, but then i have to wait 24 hours or 48 hours before i can tag that album..

        • 2003-03-31 09004, 2003

      • djce
        At the moment there are about 30 auto moderators, I think. I'm not one of them :-)

        • 2003-03-31 09057, 2003

      • phidauex
        perhaps if there was a way to identify how big of a change was being made to an item, then as moderators gained 'karma' they could automod anything with a 'change percentage' of below a certain level

        • 2003-03-31 09002, 2003

      • djce
        Yes, you could do with an option for "I'd like to see the 'dirty' version of the data", i.e. as if all pending mods were accepted. That would be cool.

        • 2003-03-31 09020, 2003

      • phidauex
        as it stands, if i mod COWBOY BEBOP into Cowboy Bebop it gets automodded, it knows i can't be making a big change

        • 2003-03-31 09057, 2003

      • djce
        Yes, the logic at the moment for auto-moderation (no voting) is threefold:

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      • djce
        1) are you an auto-moderator?

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      • djce
        2) is the mod type an auto-type (e.g. add TRM)

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      • djce
        3) If it's an "edit" mod, and you're only changing the case (or accenting), that's an auto-mod.

        • 2003-03-31 09048, 2003

      • djce
        Everything else needs votes.

        • 2003-03-31 09051, 2003

      • phidauex
        ok

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      • phidauex
        makes sense

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      • djce
        Right, I must prepare for work now. Catch you later!

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      • phidauex
        but maybe if there was a way to numerically indicate that the moderation "Bangin in london disk four" was similar to "Bangin' in London (disk 4)"

        • 2003-03-31 09013, 2003

      • phidauex
        :)

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        • 2003-03-31 09053, 2003

      • yalaforge
        hi

        • 2003-03-31 09035, 2003

      • yalaforge
        can someone help me with a database query problem in libmusicbrainz?

        • 2003-03-31 09028, 2003

      • yalaforge
        nobody?

        • 2003-03-31 09014, 2003

      • phidauex__
        sorry, can't be of help to you :(

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        • 2003-03-31 09039, 2003

      • phidauex
        however, its likely this afternoon some more people will be on, this is the middle of the night for the US people

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      • yalaforge
        Hm, but you could verify something if you have the libmusicbrainz sources available

        • 2003-03-31 09008, 2003

      • yalaforge
        Ah, sounds reasonable :-)

        • 2003-03-31 09029, 2003

      • phidauex
        ah, i could check something.. i've got them installed on macOS X

        • 2003-03-31 09034, 2003

      • phidauex
        and they are only partially functional atm

        • 2003-03-31 09041, 2003

      • phidauex
        what was the issue?

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      • yalaforge
        Do you have the 'getalbum' example program?

        • 2003-03-31 09039, 2003

      • phidauex
        i believe that one is working

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      • yalaforge
        Great. Could you try 'getalbum 0712fd61-a60e-42b8-ae88-d96f4f834d17', please?

        • 2003-03-31 09021, 2003

      • yalaforge
        The album ID is from REM's Automatic for the People album, http://www.musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid…

        • 2003-03-31 09043, 2003

      • phidauex
        ok, i've got it

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      • phidauex
        it seems to be fine

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      • yalaforge
        Did getalbum print the album as it is supposed to?

        • 2003-03-31 09018, 2003

      • phidauex
        it seems to be returning the same data that the website gives

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      • yalaforge
        Strange. Thanks.

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      • phidauex
        what is it doing for you?

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      • yalaforge
        My version says: Query failed: The server sent an invalid response. (Error: syntax error on line 1.)

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      • phidauex
        hmm. do any of the other example programs, like getartist, work?

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      • yalaforge
        gettrack and getartist work fine

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      • phidauex
        strange, i'm not sure what would be so different about that one query..

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      • phidauex
        can you get other albums?

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      • yalaforge
        I believe the error comes from expat

        • 2003-03-31 09055, 2003

      • yalaforge
        no.

        • 2003-03-31 09038, 2003

      • yalaforge
        I can't get them, neither by CDINdexID, nor by albumID.

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      • phidauex
        hmm, thats strange.. i don't really have a clue why.

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      • yalaforge
        Hm, perhaps I should try to re-install libmusicbrainz, just in case.

        • 2003-03-31 09013, 2003

      • phidauex
        yeah, it could be that there was a compile error of some sort..

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      • yalaforge
        If that doesn't work, I'll have to do some thorough debugging.

        • 2003-03-31 09024, 2003

      • phidauex
        do you have the download version, or the one from cvs?

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      • yalaforge
        It's vanilla 2.0.0.

        • 2003-03-31 09009, 2003

      • phidauex
        you might try a copy from cvs, if you were going to go ahead and do it over again

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      • yalaforge
        ACK. But first, I'll try 2.0.1.

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      • yalaforge
        Thanks for your help.

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      • phidauex
        your welcome, hopefully you come to a solution :)

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      • yalaforge
        We'll see. bye

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      • yalaforge
        Great, with libmusicbrainz-2.0.1 it works fine.

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      • phidauex
        excellent :)

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      • yalaforge
        there's just one thing: The build system seems to be broken or incomplete in 2.0.1.

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      • yalaforge
        I have to run autogen.sh to make it compile.

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      • yalaforge
        Perhaps that's a problem with my (NetBSD) system.

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      • yalaforge
        The maintainer seems to use outdated libtool and autoconf/automake.

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      • phidauex
        thats a possibility

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      • phidauex
        i had to use a modified autogen.sh script so it would compile on OS X

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      • phidauex
        and even so, it was quite the trial

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      • yalaforge
        What did you have to change?

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      • phidauex
        well, apple uses their own libtool and automake that isn't always compatible with the gnu versions, so I had to modify it to use 'glibtool' and 'glibtoolize' which apple calls the gnu versions

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      • phidauex
        the changes have been submitted, so future versions will include a better autogen

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