#musicbrainz

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      • rektide
        looking at a java api
      • input appears to be a trm identifier
      • how do i get that trm for a given piece of sound ?
      • alastairp
        trms are no longer used
      • you might have an old library
      • rektide
        old as haystack java api yes
      • alastairp
        you want to look for PUIDs
      • rektide
        how
      • alastairp
        well, that's the technology that's used for song identification, so you'll need to find a library that lets you do that
      • I'm not sure about the state of the java apis
      • rektide
        can i use any of the other fingerprinting systems ?
      • other than musicip's
      • alastairp
        no
      • rektide
        no because i need a puid
      • i fold in trying to understand a solution
      • what libraries am i supposed to use to implement a tagger
      • how do i turn sound into this proprietary identifier required to index your musicbrainz database
      • once called musicdns
      • this is BULLSHIT software archeology work and i dont think its leading anywhere
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      • i'll entertain replies, but after being so hostile none are really necessary
      • took me some time to get http://code.google.com/p/musicip-libofa/ out of apt-cache depends picard-tagger but there it is
      • its really a slap in the face amplifind has 300' landed so many links
      • Depends: libofa0
      • ok well then bye for now
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      • Leftmost
        http://musicbrainz.org/release/d0bdc687-8553-45... <- This CD lists artists as "Brenda Stubbert, fiddle; Brian Doyle, guitar; Richard Wood, piano". Should the release then have something like "Brenda Stubbert, Brian Doyle, Richard Wood" as the artist?
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      • I have what appears to be an earlier release of http://musicbrainz.org/release/e2e3cdd1-e643-4a... which gives all text in English, German and French. Since the original work is from a German composer, should the information in MusicBrainz be in German?
      • That is, "Wassermusik, Suite Nr. 1 in F-Dur: I. Ouverture (Largo - Allegro)"?
      • Or Suite No. 1, even.
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      • xlotlu
        Leftmost: the water music was actually written for king george the 1st, so you can be damn sure it was named in english :)
      • and well, it's pretty much your choice what language you choose when the release is multilingual. just stay consistent
      • Leftmost
        Well, George I was German-born. I'm tempted to modify it all. Just worried someone will hit me on the head.:)
      • xlotlu
        he was the king of england ffs...
      • Leftmost
        Doesn't mean he didn't speak German.:)
      • xlotlu
        ....
      • Leftmost
        Yeah, I figure it should be possible to get fine-grained with what they did with AR, but I've gone ahead and changed the artists since they're given equal billing.
      • xlotlu
      • you don't do that unless they're a group of artists that have multiple releases in the same formula
      • as in, "real albums", not a compilation...
      • i.e. only something like this warrants a new combined artist: http://musicbrainz.org/show/artist/?artistid=17...
      • Leftmost
        Hmm. I never saw anything of the sort in the standard. That doesn't make much sense, though, as we're still not able to do multiple actual artists for a release or a track. (Though I understand that's in the new version?)
      • xlotlu
        are those artists of yours the composers, or just the performers?
      • Leftmost
        So the data either ends up having superfluous extra artists (which can be dealt with when the multiple artists thing comes up) or is just incorrect.
      • Performers. Composers are listed in the liner notes additionally, but I'm only doing it based on performer.
      • xlotlu
        well, not sure about that kind of music, but i'd go classical style on it
      • composer as track artist, performers as performers, and the release as various artists unless those folks banded together for this specific release...
      • Leftmost
        Hmm. I'm not sure I agree. Performer is usually who's credited for any track, especially since composer is often unknown.
      • xlotlu
        on the other hand i might be utterly wrong :)
      • Leftmost, can you find the exact same piece of music performed by someone else?
      • Leftmost
        So much of Celtic music is traditional and/or derived from other songs that composer is rarely a good measure. Composer is only listed for a handful of pieces and usually it's only for one piece in the medley.
      • xlotlu
        .. even if the composer is [unknown]
      • Leftmost
        Often not, since they're so often medleys.
      • I mean, a couple of individual pieces on there are performed by more than one of the groups, but not a full medley.
      • xlotlu
        anyway, looking at this http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00005Y1U0 .. if you add a collaboration artist for each of those, you'll get spanked hard :P
      • those performers should have instrument ARs for each track. what you'll do about the track artist is a different matter
      • Leftmost
        xlotlu, it actually breaks down to just six collaboration artists.
      • "Brenda Stubbert, Brian Doyle, and Richard Wood", "Wendy MacIsaac and Jackie Dunn MacIsaac", "Kinnon Beaton, Betty Beaton, and Owen D. Gillis", "Jerry Holland and Allan Dewar", "Buddy MacMaster and Joey Beaton", and "Kinnon and Betty Beaton".
      • xlotlu
        well, you go ahead and do that if you feel the urge... :)
      • Leftmost
        It just makes the most sense to me until the ability to add multiple full artists is available.
      • xlotlu
        except they're performers..
      • Leftmost
        Right, but I think the composer situation would be worse. Track 1 would be "Brenda Stubbert / [unknown] / [unknown]"
      • Track 2 "[unknown] / [unknown] / [unknown] / [unknown]"
      • Track three has four known composers and two unknown. Et cetera.
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      • xlotlu
        a mess is a mess is a mess
      • Leftmost
        It's a lot less messy with performers, especially as particular groups of performers tend to perform together often.
      • xlotlu scratches head
      • xlotlu
        why the hell does picard have a path length limit for renaming.....?
      • Leftmost
        Even the long filename stuff on FAT32 is still limited, I believe.
      • xlotlu
        there's no limit
      • Leftmost
        There's some common enough filesystem that supports long filenames but is still limited. Can't remember which.
      • xlotlu
        most filesystems are limited to a 255 chars filename, but there's really no limit to the path length
      • well, 32,767 for ntfs...
      • Leftmost
        Ahh, actual path length? Hmm.
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      • xlotlu
        err. ugh. windows..
      • MBChatLogger
        windows == pure evil
      • xlotlu
        ntfs is capable of storing whatever, windoze limits it to 260
      • yes yes
      • FauxFaux
        Explorer, you mean.
      • xlotlu
        In the Windows API (with some exceptions discussed in the following paragraphs), the maximum length for a path is MAX_PATH, which is defined as 260 characters.
      • winapi..
      • Leftmost
        Hmm. If I'm doing classical in German, should it be Suite Nr. 1 or Suite No. 1?
      • FauxFaux
        xlotlu: It means the shell api, the actual underlying api supports the \\?\ disambigiouation syntax with allows arbitary length paths.
      • Which.
      • Actually, I think it's still capped at 32k, but that's pretty arbitary. ¬_¬
      • xlotlu
        FauxFaux: and in practice that means... ?
      • FauxFaux
        xlotlu: Applications /can/ use long file names easily, but nobody bothers. Including the Explorer team.
      • xlotlu
        haha
      • FauxFaux
        (It makes me so sad)
      • xlotlu
        most people using windows make me sad :P
      • FauxFaux
        I bet people who complain without understanding all the facts make mesader. ¬_¬
      • So much lag on this connection, it's not my fault I can't type, I swear.
      • For example! I have an untainted debian kernel (not even any firmware), and the supported, free intel driver keeps locking up. Who's to blame now?!
      • xlotlu
        obviously faith!
      • alternate answer: you for not submitting a bug report, in which you should blame the developers, and they'll get pissed and blame you for the bug report being useless, and then you submit a proper bug report after 10 hours of figuring out how to do it...
      • FauxFaux
        yes | reportbug xserver-xorg-video-intel -m "NOT WORKING"
      • xlotlu
        ... and blame the developers back, and then they'll figure out it's definitely not their fault, and blame the hardware, and code a special case for that hardware that must have the words fuck and shit at least a few times in the comments
      • FauxFaux just runs the above line again.
      • guess i'll patch picard with an option to skip those annoying short paths
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      • done
      • damn that file renaming annoyed me for too long
      • how about making picard not submit a puid if the file's duration varies widely from the MB track?
      • where "widely" remains to be defined..
      • widely.. wildly..
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      • brianfreud_
        xlotlu: I'd be happier if it still submitted, but http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/ticket/4810
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      • xlotlu
        brianfreud_: yeah, that makes sense. but you'd get spammed with (proper) 1-second differences
      • in the long run that's the way it should be. but i'd welcome a quick client-side hack to keep dumb puid submissions away
      • brianfreud_
        better to have some noise in the data than no data at all to work with... :)
      • xlotlu
        s/welcome/code/ :)
      • argh. "some" ..
      • if it weren't such a major PITA to remove that noise, compared to the dumb press of a button, maybe..
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      • funny. i can see in audacity the difference between a flac and a mp3 that generate different puids
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