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      • ruaok
        morning/evening!
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      • djce
        hey
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      • ruaok
        another long weekend.
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      • ruaok
        back to work finally.
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      • ruaok
        tunepimp hacking :-)
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      • djce
        ruaok: Can I check something with you?
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      • djce
        I need someone to double-check my reasoning....
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      • ruaok
        shoot
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      • djce
        ok, load up Discid.pm
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      • djce
        and find _FindFreeDBEntry()
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      • ruaok
        got it
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      • djce
        I think I understand what it's doing, but the problem is in the two "update" statements in that routine.
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      • djce
        The two "updates" hit two different tables, using the same "id=$id" value.
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      • djce
        but AFAICT the PKs of those tables don't match up - there's no reason why they would really.
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      • ruaok
        I see your point.
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      • djce
        or, to put it another way: you might /hope/ they match up, but they don't.
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      • ruaok
        And I wonder if this code still gets called...
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      • djce
        it's further up in this module, yes
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      • djce
        but as to whether it actually /really/ gets invoked, I don't know.
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      • ruaok
        the idea is that if we import a partial freedb id, it would go and fill it out with the right leadout/id.
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      • ruaok
        agreed.
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      • djce
        I tried this: select count(*) from discid d, toc t where d.disc=t.discid and d.album!=t.album;
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      • djce
        that gets 0 rows, which sounds good.
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      • djce
        so I'm suspecting that the aforementioned bug has fortunately not bitten us.
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      • djce
        does that sound convincing?
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      • ruaok
        not reassuring.
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      • ruaok
        :-)
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      • ruaok
        I guess the question is this: do we still import freedb data TOCs that are incomplete?
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      • ruaok
        If not, then the updates can go away.
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      • djce
        yes, I think we do, for sure. don't we?
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      • ruaok
        If so, we need to make the updates more robust.
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      • ruaok
        I'm not sure anymore....
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      • djce
        I'll give it a try.
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      • ruaok
        ok
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      • djce tests it...
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      • soccos
        I had an interesting chat with this guy on a chairlift over the weekend
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      • soccos
        he was bitching over how his old company had to pay Gracenote license fees
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      • ruaok
        ahahahahahah.
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      • soccos
        they do a hard-drive MP3 car stereo thingy
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      • soccos
        I forget their name, 'fat' something
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      • ruaok
        phatnoise/phatbox.
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      • ruaok
        I spoke to one of their engineers last weekend.
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      • soccos
        that sounds right
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      • ruaok
        passed on a bunch of my cards. :-)
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      • soccos
        they got a cease and desist when they were looking to move elsewhere (freedby perhaps)
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      • ruaok
        standard operating procedure.
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      • soccos
        they caved in due to potential legal costs and conservative clients/backers(?)
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      • ruaok
        no surprise.
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      • soccos
        they're still one of Gracenote's bitches fttb
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      • soccos
        what's the upcoming suit that Gracenote are in?
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      • djce
        ruaok: A "freedb import" sets the track durations, but doesn't touch the discid/toc tables.
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      • ruaok
        ahh.
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      • ruaok
        no wonder we haven't gotten bitten by that bug. :-)
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      • djce
        so can that logic be removed completely for good? Or does it need to be fixed ?
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      • ruaok
        lets nuke it.
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      • ruaok
        I'm hoping to find someone who wants to work with us on CD lookup stuff.
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      • Maxxxxx
        ... dunno if this is related but importing from freedb is such a pain sometimes cos artist /tracks sometimes get imported other way round and to cut paste and fix name :P takes ages
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      • djce
        ok, will do.
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      • ruaok
        Someone who can help us pay for a patent lawyer to look at exactly what we need to do to circum vent GN's patents.
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      • ruaok
        If they are willing to do that, then I'd we willing to revamp our id system to be GN safe.
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      • ruaok
        Until that time, lets leave things be.
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      • soccos
        I thought there was a case coming up that was going to test their patents?
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      • djce
        Maxxxxx: there's a "swap" button to swap over the track/artist names. It should take that long.
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      • ruaok
        There is, but I don't think its about the patent unfortunately.
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      • soccos
        how many patents do they hold?
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      • ruaok
        google: gracenote patents [i'm feeling lucky]
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      • soccos
        that'll be 'more than one' then ;-)
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      • ruaok
        bout a dozen or so.
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      • real
        real is now known as real|afk
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      • soccos
        can you be issued a patent if you buy the IP that was the prior art?
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      • ruaok
        I would not think so.
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      • ruaok
        *I* have written prior art code at CD Index.
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      • soccos
        wasn't CDDB itself the prior art?
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      • ruaok
        Our original CD Index code is prior art and was checked in befor they filed the patent.
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      • ruaok
        that tool
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      • ruaok
        it was public and therefore should be considered prior art.
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      • soccos
        bizarre, they got a patent for which a large part of their application must have described the prior art that meant it sholdn't have been issued
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      • ruaok
        yup./
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      • yalaforge
        hi
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      • lgonze_
        hey mattias
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      • lgonze_
        how is your monday coming along?
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      • yalaforge
        oh, I started with some exam preparations, but that's done
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      • lgonze_
        nice
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      • yalaforge
        I'm currently reading the mailing list
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      • lgonze_
        lots of stuff there
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      • yalaforge
        how's your still young monday?
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      • lgonze_
        I went and did webjay evangelism to a netlabel
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      • lgonze_
        got a really good reception, so I'm feeling good.
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      • lgonze_
        ...experimenting with explicit evangelism to try to get the ball rolling.
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      • lgonze_
        webjay is still very immature and buggy, but there should have been more uptake than there has been.
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      • yalaforge
        hm, do you have a link for me?
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      • lgonze_
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      • yalaforge
        wow, that easy :-)
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      • lgonze_
        user created playlists of music on the web
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      • lgonze_
        :)
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      • yalaforge sees some connections now
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      • lgonze_
        hahahahahah
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      • lgonze_
        yup
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      • yalaforge
        oh, BTW: rob wants to write down some notes today about the strawman thing
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      • lgonze_
        cool. strawmen are for taking apart. figuring out what's wrong with them is really informative.
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      • yalaforge
        yup
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      • lgonze_
        it's takes a healthy ego, though.
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      • yalaforge
        :-)
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      • yalaforge
        with a more than 5 sec delay :-)
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      • yalaforge
        so depriming
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      • yalaforge
        hey djce
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      • djce
        hey yalaforge! keeping well?
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      • yalaforge
        ok. my exam is over. no more theoretical informatics for a while
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      • yalaforge
        and yourself? busy hacking?
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