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euskir
hello from Argentina
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ruaok
hi!
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ruaok
greetings from California!
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euskir
I know the place, nice....
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ruaok
I've never been to .ar :-(
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euskir
we have a lot of places quite "Californian"...
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euskir
that's why we have such god wines :D
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euskir
good I mean...Sorry God
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ruaok
heh. I prefer .ar wines over .ca wines any day.
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euskir
yes Gallo it's just begining... 9.9
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ruaok
As in E&J Gallo? That's not wine.
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ruaok
I live smack in the middle of wine country.
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ruaok
We practically have it coming out of our asses. :-)
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euskir
well, Iwas trying to be friendly... I didn't know you were a wine expert
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ruaok
I wouldn't call myself and expert, but around here its hard to avoid. :-)
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euskir
I know it's like the people here living in Mendoza or San Juan states (provinces here)
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euskir
I was exploring rooms, testing Colloquy...
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yalaforge
yawn
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yalaforge wonders what to do with this morning
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ruaok
run naked through the streets
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yalaforge
lol
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yalaforge
too cold :-)
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ruaok
we just went for our inaugural soak in our new hot tub.
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ruaok
what an ordeal getting that installed, but its finally done.
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yalaforge was reading the playlist mailing list
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yalaforge
not pleasant either
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ruaok
nope.
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ruaok
painful, indeed.
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yalaforge
I'm glad someone explained me the point in XML
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yalaforge
very embarrassing that I didn't get it after all those years ;->
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ruaok
eh?
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ruaok
which point?
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yalaforge
that you can add elements later and don't break existing parsers :-)
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ruaok
oh.
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ruaok
ya. :-)
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ruaok
I learned SGML 4-5 lives ago.
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ruaok
Horribly complex, but pretty cool.
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ruaok
xml is all the best of SGML.
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yalaforge
much simpler
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ruaok
so when xml came around, I was sold, right off the bat.
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yalaforge tried to write a DSSSL stylesheet in the old days
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yalaforge
pure horror
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ruaok
I never even heard of that. What timeframe was that?
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yalaforge
it was quite popular 7-10 years ago
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yalaforge
it's a lisp dialect
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ruaok
ick.
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yalaforge
people tried to use it for XML, too
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yalaforge
with emphasis on 'tried'
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ruaok
I was never fond of lisp, ml or prolog.
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yalaforge hates prolog
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yalaforge
lisp is kind of cool for toy problems
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ruaok
I used to have Turbo Prolog, but that was the ONLY language I never managed to write a meaningful program in.
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yalaforge
anyway, I think I'll hack on mb_index today
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ruaok
:-)
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yalaforge
in the evening I think I'll have updating via XML packages implemented
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ruaok
I was just thinking the same. I want to finish the last set of codings for libtp.
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yalaforge
testing takes much, much longer
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ruaok
Go to bed, debug it in the morning.
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yalaforge
:-9
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yalaforge
:-)
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ruaok
sounds like we're in similar places.
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ruaok
I can't wait to go back to python.
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ruaok
And my first goal is to replicate the tag editing features in easy tag.
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yalaforge really has to install easytag
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ruaok
Just have a solid tagging app, and then load the cool identification features on top.
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ruaok
apt-get install easytag
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yalaforge
whoo. could it be so easy :-)
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ruaok
its not the greatest program, but it conveys some important features.
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ruaok
:-)
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ruaok
ok, I'l off to coding.
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yalaforge
ok, have fun!
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ruaok
s/l/m/g
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ruaok loves regexp
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ruaok
du auch!
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yalaforge
danke
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ruaok
yalaforge: you still around?
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yalaforge
yup
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ruaok
can I bounce an idea off you?
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yalaforge
sure
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ruaok
ok, think libtunpimp.
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ruaok
pipeline architecture.
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yalaforge
ok
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ruaok
we used to have an analyzer that did metadata read and TRM at the same time.
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ruaok
since picard will do more album oriented lookups, the need for TRM is less.
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ruaok
Thus metdata read and TRM have been decoupled.
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yalaforge
so you want to split the thread, too?
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ruaok
yes.
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yalaforge
sounds sensible
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ruaok
keeping functional blocks seperate
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ruaok
that's all pretty much past tense.
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ruaok
the question I have is this...
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ruaok
It used to be that a track through libtp had a certain path, and all the transitions were obvious.
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ruaok
pending -> trm lookup -> (rec, unrecog, error)
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ruaok
but now we have:
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ruaok
readmetdata -> unidentified or TRM
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ruaok
but the read metadata doesn't yield any info to make this decision.
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ruaok
The caller needs to direct the flow of the track.
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ruaok
Is this track TRM bound?
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ruaok
Or just readmetadata -> recognized or unrecognized?
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ruaok
does the problem make sense?
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yalaforge
I'd readmeatadata, then query the web service
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yalaforge
if unrecognized, then TRM
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ruaok
well...
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ruaok
kinda.
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yalaforge
that way it stays a linear pipeline
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ruaok
you have to add a number of tracks and then perform that album lookup on those number of tracks.
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ruaok
so where do some tracks go while new tracks are being added?
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yalaforge
you need a thirds state (recognized, unrec., accumulating)
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yalaforge
right?
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ruaok
now I am wondering if I make too mcuh of this.
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ruaok
seems like its getting complicated.
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yalaforge
hm ...
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ruaok
The read metadata should move a file to either recognized or unrecognized.
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ruaok
The caller should watch the messages for tracks that appear unrecognized.
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ruaok
And move them along by doing:
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ruaok
1. nothing.
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ruaok
2. clustering into an album and doing and album lookup while it stays in unrecognized.
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ruaok
3. set to pending for TRM generation.
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ruaok
Yes, that makes sense.
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ruaok
The tagger will need to get modified to look for unidentified files that have no TRM.
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ruaok
For those files, just move them to pending and keep chugging.
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ruaok looks like the problem solved itself by explaining it.
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ruaok
:-)
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ruaok
Thanks for listening. :-)
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yalaforge
np :-)
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yalaforge
lol
