I really really really want to get my MangaBrainz idea off the ground... Though i'm thinking I'd have to implement it on my poor old webserver that hosts my website first >.>
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Pipian
i've been rolling it in my head for a good year or two now
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ruaok
ready for some serious work?
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Pipian
and I want to get the jump on any other competition that might jump up
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Pipian
Hehe
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Pipian
i know
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Pipian
For a brief while it was going on strong with reparing the idea, but it kinda fizzled when my other partner in the project got busy with his normal work
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Pipian
but i have a pretty good idea of what I want to do.
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Pipian
Admittedly it'd have more subjectivity than MusicBrainz has though.
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Pipian
That's the thing.
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ruaok
and that will make it tons more complicated.
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Pipian
(Or at least, my ideal version would have some subjective parts)
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ruaok
we'll get to that before too long, but its taken this long to get the basics right.
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Pipian
*nod*
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Pipian
So I was wondering what I should do if I'm moving in that direction?
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Pipian
Should pick up and hack the musicbrainz server code and bend it to my will? Build a schema similar to MusicBrainz I? MusicBrainz II?
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Pipian
not that I'm thinking this would end up on your servers =P Wouldn't want to be that much of a burden
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Pipian
(on the other hand, the target audience is considerably smaller)
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ruaok
You're welcome to use as much of MB as you want.
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ruaok
We have a ton of stuff that you wouldn't want to reinvent.
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Pipian
heh
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ruaok
And since the non-profit is MetaBrainz we have room for MangaBrainz -- if you want to do that.
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Pipian
*nod*
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Pipian
The trick would be integrating it with future brainz that would somewhat encompass MangaBrainz's topic (as a general rule... Say MangaBrainz ends up storing Manga and Anime data, and then MovieBrainz and Something like a BookBrainz starts up...)
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Pipian
(each of which covers, as a general rule, half of MangaBrainz's data, while neither targets the correct audience)
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ruaok
I think the concept of user contributed metadata databases is enough to be part of MetaBrainz.
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Pipian
*nod*
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Pipian
I mean
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Pipian
it would work on something of the same principle, though it would be more geared for metadata reference and subjective reviews/summaries than tagging.
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ruaok
of course. and tagging is *not* the end goal of MB.
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Pipian
(For obvious reasons of course... would be considerably more difficult to tag something that only exists IRL =P)
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ruaok
Its a mere ploy to get users and populate the data
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Pipian
MB's goal is to provide a comprehensive accurate music metadata database, no?
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ruaok
yup
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Pipian
*nod*
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Pipian
whereas i would definately have to appeal more to those who want summaries and reviews.
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Pipian
But I definately have a fairly solid idea of what data is minimally required to start with... ISBNs, Authors, Titles, chapters, and such
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Pipian
And if I'm going to run the spectrum (and thus get enough users to be worth while) also covering animewith their producers, voice actors, and so forth.
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Pipian
so i'd probably end up with a DB something more like the proposed MusicBrainz II DB (because of the involved persons)
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ruaok
sounds like it.
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ruaok
ok, time for me to go.
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Pipian
bye
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ruaok
I'll talk to you kids later!
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Pipian
I'll have to start hacking then =P
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mpe
could anyone give me some help with the musicbrainz web service?
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jwatk03
what is the question? i'll see if I can help you
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mpe
I confused about how i can query it, there is a client lib but can I use XUL/PHP to query the service?
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jwatk03
what are you querying for?
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mpe
well i would like to write a musicmanager in XUL and PHP
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mpe
so I trying to figure out if I can use the MB webservice
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jwatk03
hmm, the client library uses a special kind of querying that calls the website a special way and retrieves an RDF, it may be possible to query it and parse the RDF with PHP
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jwatk03
i'm going to look at the lib to see how they do it real quick
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mpe
well it sends a RDF query right?
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mpe
were does it send that to?
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jwatk03
i'm checking to see the format of the query
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mpe
I read the client How-To and the Metadata Initiative
mmm, I get the feeling I dont quite understand RDF yet
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mpe
:\
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jwatk03
i don't know it very much either, but for what you are making it might be worth learning
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mpe
yeah, if i can get this working I can create a MB client in XUL. If I understand that, I could use MB when managing my own music
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jwatk03
yalaforge: After getting the cygwin linking taken care of, the tunepimp library configures perfectly now
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jwatk03
without the -lexpat in the mb_GetVersion check
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jwatk03
i'm using mb tagger 0.10.5 and I can never get any of the release dates to be written to the tags
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bramp
hey I've just come up with another idea for you guys.... Would this be useful... a IE Toolbar similar to Google's which allows you to search for artist/album/track instantly?
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jwatk03
could it stop popups? ;)
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mpe
just use mozilla ;], blocks popups and should it should be able to create a XUL client for MB... now if I could figure out how :\
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tma
wb
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yalaforge
thanks
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yalaforge
jwatk03: hi. good to hear your cygwin stuff works now :-)
2004-05-22 14345, 2004
jwatk03
yalaforge: thanks, and to think it was only that simple
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yalaforge
yes. but that's normal when it comes to autoconf and friends
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jwatk03
those autotools are too complicated to begin with... but really anything GNU creates is complicated
