well, you managed to scare the hell outa me, at least :p
2005-01-05 00527, 2005
canidae
got a bit worried there :p
2005-01-05 00512, 2005
canidae
right, i'm off to bed now... at least one hour after when i intended to go to bed :)
2005-01-05 00541, 2005
canidae
although, just drop me a line if there's any questions or anything
2005-01-05 00538, 2005
ruaok
ok,
2005-01-05 00543, 2005
ruaok
something is still not working.
2005-01-05 00547, 2005
ruaok
I'll dig some more.
2005-01-05 00549, 2005
ruaok
night!
2005-01-05 00520, 2005
canidae
no, tell me :)
2005-01-05 00535, 2005
ruaok
same problem.
2005-01-05 00543, 2005
ruaok
but I'm just going to clean up a bunch more.
2005-01-05 00548, 2005
ruaok
make damn sure everything is clean.
2005-01-05 00557, 2005
canidae
hmm...
2005-01-05 00519, 2005
ruaok
get some sleep. Its gotta me my screw-up.
2005-01-05 00546, 2005
canidae
you haven't done any changes to those files since the last time you checked them out of cvs?
2005-01-05 00502, 2005
ruaok
no, the patches applied perfectly.
2005-01-05 00510, 2005
ruaok
just please use diff -Naur next time.
2005-01-05 00514, 2005
ruaok
easier for me to read.
2005-01-05 00529, 2005
canidae
oh, right... i'll try to remember that
2005-01-05 00524, 2005
canidae
just off topic: does anyone of you happen to speak/write japanese? think i want to learn that language so i can fully enjoy my favourite movies (Mononoke-hime & Sen to Chihiro no kamikakushi)
2005-01-05 00552, 2005
cikkolata
DJKC does, and I can fake it
2005-01-05 00511, 2005
canidae
heh
2005-01-05 00518, 2005
cikkolata
meaning I'm learning :)
2005-01-05 00523, 2005
canidae
oh, cool
2005-01-05 00527, 2005
canidae
how?
2005-01-05 00542, 2005
cikkolata
a course at college
2005-01-05 00557, 2005
ruaok
canidae: nope. no dice.
2005-01-05 00558, 2005
ruaok
music/%2E/%uEazy-E/%l%sEazy-E/05 - Sippin on a 40.mp3
2005-01-05 00501, 2005
canidae
ahh, shame... i was kinda hoping for a "teach yourself japanese in 21 days" :)
2005-01-05 00526, 2005
cikkolata
I taught myself to read and write hiragana and katakana though
2005-01-05 00513, 2005
ruaok
ok, I gotta go for now.
2005-01-05 00514, 2005
canidae
ruaok: hmm, i'm really not sure then... clearly it's not parsing %<1-9>, %u nor %l
2005-01-05 00531, 2005
ruaok
I'll play around with it later.
2005-01-05 00536, 2005
ruaok is away: date night
2005-01-05 00543, 2005
canidae
good luck :)
2005-01-05 00507, 2005
canidae
cikkolata: what's hiragana & katakana?
2005-01-05 00517, 2005
cikkolata
some of the writing system
2005-01-05 00543, 2005
canidae
ah
2005-01-05 00550, 2005
canidae
just looked it up on wikipedia
2005-01-05 00503, 2005
canidae
eek
2005-01-05 00517, 2005
cikkolata giggles
2005-01-05 00531, 2005
cikkolata
hiragana is the most important imo
2005-01-05 00507, 2005
cikkolata
katakana is mostly used for foreign words (although I'm sure DJKC can come up with a long list of things they use it for)
2005-01-05 00523, 2005
canidae
so if you've had a glance at this language, can you tell me how "hard" it is? i concider english a fairly simple language, and i concider german a fairly hard language :)
2005-01-05 00533, 2005
cikkolata
hmm.
2005-01-05 00540, 2005
cikkolata
depends what you find hard.
2005-01-05 00510, 2005
cikkolata
no the or a/an, no plurals (most of the time), no verbs changing by person
2005-01-05 00523, 2005
cikkolata
but the verbs can get ridiculous
2005-01-05 00529, 2005
cikkolata
one sec
2005-01-05 00537, 2005
canidae
i just read about plurals... kinda neat :)
2005-01-05 00515, 2005
canidae
"ware" is "i" while "wareware" is "we"
2005-01-05 00513, 2005
cikkolata
watashi is the most common form of I
2005-01-05 00519, 2005
cikkolata
but there are a bunch of pronouns
2005-01-05 00537, 2005
cikkolata
aha
2005-01-05 00514, 2005
cikkolata
warawasaserarenai was what DJKC mentioned, and defined it as "can't allow you to make me laugh"
2005-01-05 00525, 2005
cikkolata
oh, and the pronunciation is simple too (for me)
2005-01-05 00502, 2005
canidae
intriguing
2005-01-05 00539, 2005
cikkolata
they tend to drop pronouns too, if it's obvious who you're talking about
2005-01-05 00508, 2005
cikkolata
and there are levels of politeness, which I don't think are that hard but some people find impossible
2005-01-05 00517, 2005
cikkolata
you don't use verbs that insane much though :o
2005-01-05 00545, 2005
canidae
yeah, i was just reading about politeness... most interesting
2005-01-05 00526, 2005
cikkolata
oh, and the verbs are nice and consistent, there aren't many irregular ones
2005-01-05 00515, 2005
DJKC
foreign words is about it
2005-01-05 00524, 2005
DJKC
plus it's used similar to italics
2005-01-05 00524, 2005
cikkolata
hi!
2005-01-05 00539, 2005
cikkolata
and for the hell of it?
2005-01-05 00544, 2005
DJKC
and occasionally for "I hate all foreignors trying to read this so I'll write it all in katakana to make it harder to parse"
wo in katakana isn't unheard of, never seen it in hiragana though
2005-01-05 00510, 2005
cikkolata
and foreign names like mine :o
2005-01-05 00527, 2005
DJKC
that falls in the "foreign words" category
2005-01-05 00531, 2005
DJKC
but like the name kaoru
2005-01-05 00540, 2005
DJKC
see that in katakana semi-often
2005-01-05 00521, 2005
DJKC
heh "[21:03 01/04] <canidae> ahh, shame... i was kinda hoping for a "teach yourself japanese in 21 days" :)"
2005-01-05 00525, 2005
cikkolata
I tend to think of *real* words as being things in a dictionary... but yeah.
2005-01-05 00547, 2005
canidae
oh, just crossed my mind... i read that "san" is like "mr.", "miss." & "ms.", but can "san" also be a name?
2005-01-05 00559, 2005
DJKC
not normally
2005-01-05 00505, 2005
DJKC
it is in mononoke hime if I remember right
2005-01-05 00509, 2005
canidae
yeh
2005-01-05 00511, 2005
durito joined the channel
2005-01-05 00512, 2005
DJKC
but they're just named 1, 2, 3
2005-01-05 00515, 2005
DJKC
in that case
2005-01-05 00527, 2005
DJKC
(I think, I haven't watched that in bout 5-6 years)
2005-01-05 00534, 2005
durito
hi
2005-01-05 00537, 2005
canidae
i watched it yesterday :)
2005-01-05 00538, 2005
cikkolata
hi
2005-01-05 00553, 2005
cikkolata
the people are named 1, 2 and 3?
2005-01-05 00509, 2005
DJKC
uh
2005-01-05 00517, 2005
DJKC
the two wolf "siblings" of the main girl + her
2005-01-05 00532, 2005
cikkolata
they are?
2005-01-05 00536, 2005
cikkolata checks
2005-01-05 00541, 2005
DJKC
it's a ghibli movie, worth watching if you've never watched it
2005-01-05 00542, 2005
durito
i wonder if is a new way to make a midi file?
2005-01-05 00555, 2005
cikkolata
oh, I have it on dvd
2005-01-05 00511, 2005
durito
i mean an easy way, does any one knows?
2005-01-05 00521, 2005
DJKC
cikkolata: her name is san, I could have sworn the two wolves were ichi and ni
2005-01-05 00532, 2005
DJKC
could be random hallucination though
2005-01-05 00547, 2005
canidae
DJKC: indeed it is... it's ranked #3 on imdb.com, after "finding nemo" which i have no clue what's doing up where it is
2005-01-05 00549, 2005
DJKC
I've seen other shows where they named characters stuff like ichigo nigo sango
2005-01-05 00558, 2005
canidae
DJKC: i don't recall the wolves having any names, except the "wolf god" which was named "moro"... although, i don't understand japanese so i'm forced to read the subtitle so it's possible they got names
2005-01-05 00523, 2005
DJKC
hah, that list is half ghibli at imdb
2005-01-05 00501, 2005
canidae
well, ghibli/miyazaki certainly do make good movies, though
2005-01-05 00525, 2005
DJKC
yes, it's just kind of amusing how fanatical people get about putting them up top
2005-01-05 00538, 2005
DJKC
I also like how the bottom ten list is mostly all pokemon, digimon, yugioh, etc
2005-01-05 00549, 2005
canidae
damned, i'm supposed to get up at 1200 or so... well, actually 1000 but that's not gonna happen :)
2005-01-05 00556, 2005
canidae
it's 0429 over here now :p
2005-01-05 00506, 2005
DJKC
and I can kind of see finding nemo up there. it's one of the ones on that list that I actually like the most
2005-01-05 00527, 2005
canidae
i didn't like "finding nemo" that much :\
2005-01-05 00542, 2005
canidae
it was "fair nuff", but not "outstanding" imho
2005-01-05 00513, 2005
DJKC
hotaru no hako, majo no takkyubin, and "the nightmare before christmas" being the rest I like off there
2005-01-05 00516, 2005
DJKC
oh, and Lupin
2005-01-05 00520, 2005
canidae
"Mononoke-hime" & "Sen to Chihiro no kamikakushi" are kind of... magical, unusual & fresh (well, most likely i think that since there apparently is a different culture over in japan). even though the pixar movies got good graphics they
2005-01-05 00527, 2005
canidae
...'re still not magical
2005-01-05 00555, 2005
canidae
and they're pretty usual, you've seen it before, just wrapped in with another theme
2005-01-05 00528, 2005
DJKC
ah, whereas I'm used to seeing the themes Miyazaki likes to incorporate in other anime.
2005-01-05 00549, 2005
DJKC
he can be pretty heavy handed with the natural mysticism + pro-enviromentalism messages in them
2005-01-05 00538, 2005
durito has quit
2005-01-05 00541, 2005
DJKC
although if you like the general message he uses in them you may like stuff like Chikyuu Shoujo Arujuna. Very strong enviromentalist/anti-consumer culture message with some of the nicest computer animation I've ever seen
2005-01-05 00539, 2005
canidae
thank you, i'll have to check out that later :)
2005-01-05 00558, 2005
DJKC
I have a bit of a bias towards live action stuff, I'd rather watch something like Kikujiro no Natsu than an animated movie if I want something to kind of capture that spirit of innocense/childhood/growth/etc that shows up so much in ghibli/miyazaki stuff
2005-01-05 00519, 2005
canidae
well, i guess i like anime so much because i feel that the characters are more... sincere, real. it's alot easier to believe the drawn characters & the movie as a whole then... hard to explain, but i guess you can say that anime awakens emotions within me, while movies with real humans don't... as i said, hard to explain :)
2005-01-05 00533, 2005
DJKC
oh, and reading the whole log, not just the bit that was on the screen when I jumped it, there are a whole 2 non-standard verbs, so if you stick to standard speech/tokyo-dialect everything's fine. If you wander off the beaten track you find that the concept of accents is taken to an extreme. as bad or worse than the difference between say a heavy scottish and heavy southern US one
2005-01-05 00511, 2005
cikkolata
but even standard english has a fuckton of irregular verbs :p
2005-01-05 00541, 2005
DJKC
yeah, the lack of irregulars are nice
2005-01-05 00558, 2005
DJKC
it's just that the concept of "more than one way to say something" is taken to an extreme
2005-01-05 00522, 2005
DJKC
between slang and politeness levels you can generally come up with about 15-20 different ways to say the exact same sentence
2005-01-05 00548, 2005
DJKC
also, some people take a while to get used to parsing written Japanese due to the complete lack of any sort of seperators between words such as spaces
2005-01-05 00517, 2005
cikkolata
oh, I forgot that.
2005-01-05 00532, 2005
cikkolata
I never had trouble, as long as there are kanji
2005-01-05 00532, 2005
DJKC
oh, and number slang is an evil beyond words.
2005-01-05 00535, 2005
DJKC
also fun, but evil
2005-01-05 00537, 2005
canidae
cikkolata: you gave a pretty good example of that earlier :)
2005-01-05 00547, 2005
cikkolata
long strings of hiragana = *brainmelt*
2005-01-05 00550, 2005
canidae
"warawasaserarenai"
2005-01-05 00503, 2005
cikkolata
that was an example of verbs getting evil.
2005-01-05 00507, 2005
DJKC
heh, well, there'd be a kanji at the begining of that
2005-01-05 00513, 2005
DJKC
warau is the root there
2005-01-05 00533, 2005
cikkolata
what does the saserare bit do?
2005-01-05 00505, 2005
canidae
right then... 2 hours past the time i should've gone to sleep... think i'll have to surrender to the bed now. thanks for the info about japanese, and good night :)
2005-01-05 00553, 2005
cikkolata
sleep well
2005-01-05 00558, 2005
DJKC
hmm, I can't remember the grammar terms and google is being unhelpful
