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      • yalaforge
        yup

        • 2005-04-11 10147, 2005

      • yalaforge
        it queries as root a bit, then changes to the web server user

        • 2005-04-11 10155, 2005

      • SenRepus
        thansk Muti

        • 2005-04-11 10105, 2005

      • yalaforge
        it was quite hard to track that down, the logs didn't show that

        • 2005-04-11 10126, 2005

      • somniloquy
        somniloquy is now known as somnout

        • 2005-04-11 10128, 2005

      • yalaforge
        perhaps I'm the only one who set db access privs to the minimum

        • 2005-04-11 10142, 2005

      • yalaforge
        I mean, when nobody else has problems with it, they all set their privs too liberal :-)

        • 2005-04-11 10104, 2005

      • mo
        what are you talking about yala? privs?

        • 2005-04-11 10121, 2005

      • yalaforge
        mo: postgres database access privileges

        • 2005-04-11 10127, 2005

      • ruaok gets done rebooting his morning

        • 2005-04-11 10130, 2005

      • ruaok waves at djce

        • 2005-04-11 10131, 2005

      • mo
        meaning *I* could go in there and mess about? ;)

        • 2005-04-11 10140, 2005

      • djce
        mornin'

        • 2005-04-11 10142, 2005

      • yalaforge
        ruaok: thanks for fixing this btw :-)

        • 2005-04-11 10121, 2005

      • mo
        yes., that was cool

        • 2005-04-11 10126, 2005

      • mo
        and so fast to!

        • 2005-04-11 10135, 2005

      • ruaok
        np

        • 2005-04-11 10142, 2005

      • ruaok
        now I gotta make modbot happy.

        • 2005-04-11 10153, 2005

      • djce
        ruaok: I did that just now

        • 2005-04-11 10100, 2005

      • ruaok
        oh, cool.

        • 2005-04-11 10102, 2005

      • djce
        (dirty-ish hack, but it worked)

        • 2005-04-11 10105, 2005

      • ruaok
        how did you fix it?

        • 2005-04-11 10119, 2005

      • djce
        mod_add_artist->DeniedAction tried to delete the artist.

        • 2005-04-11 10124, 2005

      • ruaok nods

        • 2005-04-11 10126, 2005

      • djce
        I made it do nothing instead.

        • 2005-04-11 10135, 2005

      • djce
        The overnight cleanup will take out the trash.

        • 2005-04-11 10135, 2005

      • ruaok
        ok.

        • 2005-04-11 10156, 2005

      • ruaok
        modbot is happy, but the underlying problem still exists, right?

        • 2005-04-11 10117, 2005

      • mo
        what was wrong with the modbot?

        • 2005-04-11 10131, 2005

      • ruaok
        it was trying to delete an artist that had an AR on it.

        • 2005-04-11 10137, 2005

      • ruaok
        and the DB said NO.

        • 2005-04-11 10151, 2005

      • mo
        and?

        • 2005-04-11 10105, 2005

      • yalaforge
        it's not good when the DB says no

        • 2005-04-11 10105, 2005

      • mo
        modbot was unhappy?

        • 2005-04-11 10106, 2005

      • ruaok
        right now if someone adds an artist and then a CD to that artist, and the add artist fails, we nuke the CD, right?

        • 2005-04-11 10120, 2005

      • djce
        no, I don't see that.

        • 2005-04-11 10133, 2005

      • djce
        unless the "add album" has dependency checking, I don't know.

        • 2005-04-11 10133, 2005

      • mo
        no I tried that with musicbrainz test artist

        • 2005-04-11 10155, 2005

      • ruaok
        so, what's the course of action?

        • 2005-04-11 10103, 2005

      • ruaok
        we fail the moderation with FAILEDDEP?

        • 2005-04-11 10113, 2005

      • ruaok
        (the add artist moderation)

        • 2005-04-11 10126, 2005

      • djce
        I don't know what you're asking me.

        • 2005-04-11 10135, 2005

      • djce
        Is there a problem that needs fixing?

        • 2005-04-11 10144, 2005

      • ruaok
        you know the general case that modbot was hung on right?

        • 2005-04-11 10147, 2005

      • ruaok
        yes.

        • 2005-04-11 10152, 2005

      • mo
        not to my knowlage

        • 2005-04-11 10108, 2005

      • ruaok
        modbot was trying to remove an add artist modertaion that failed.

        • 2005-04-11 10124, 2005

      • ruaok
        but someone else had added a moderation on top of that artist.

        • 2005-04-11 10137, 2005

      • djce
        ok...

        • 2005-04-11 10149, 2005

      • ruaok
        do I need to add dependencies to MOD_ADD_LINK ?

        • 2005-04-11 10109, 2005

      • djce
        I don't understand the whole dependency model.

        • 2005-04-11 10121, 2005

      • djce
        What do you think the system, as the user sees it, should do?

        • 2005-04-11 10140, 2005

      • ruaok
        That's the crux of my question. I don't know the answer to that.

        • 2005-04-11 10154, 2005

      • djce
        Indeed.

        • 2005-04-11 10103, 2005

      • djce
        My answer so far is: do nothing.

        • 2005-04-11 10108, 2005

      • ruaok
        The idea of the dependencies is to find dependant moderations and fail the whole chain if a dependent mod fails.

        • 2005-04-11 10119, 2005

      • djce
        effectively the "Add artist" mod will fail the vote, but also get applied.

        • 2005-04-11 10125, 2005

      • djce
        since it cannot be undone.

        • 2005-04-11 10158, 2005

      • ruaok
        right. and modbot gets pissy in the process.

        • 2005-04-11 10107, 2005

      • mo
        http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/results.html?mo…

        • 2005-04-11 10115, 2005

      • djce
        Likewise the "move disc id" mod I fixed on saturday; it failed the vote, but /had/ to be applied, because it could not be undone, because the old album had gone

        • 2005-04-11 10106, 2005

      • ruaok
        so then lets follow that model.

        • 2005-04-11 10125, 2005

      • ruaok
        We could fail the original add artist moderation.

        • 2005-04-11 10132, 2005

      • ruaok
        it should've been removed, but it failed to be removed.

        • 2005-04-11 10137, 2005

      • ruaok
        effectively, it passed.

        • 2005-04-11 10158, 2005

      • ruaok
        which is OK. When someone else added a link, they expressed interest in keeping that artist.

        • 2005-04-11 10109, 2005

      • djce
        that's the way I see it.

        • 2005-04-11 10112, 2005

      • ruaok
        if the added link gets nuked too, the trash collector will clean up.

        • 2005-04-11 10127, 2005

      • ruaok
        so, what change do we need to make in order to keep modbot from getting pissy?

        • 2005-04-11 10138, 2005

      • ruaok
        or did you just do that?

        • 2005-04-11 10147, 2005

      • SenRepus
        shhh dont talk about modbot like that, MBChatLogger will tell him what you say

        • 2005-04-11 10153, 2005

      • mo
        :p

        • 2005-04-11 10101, 2005

      • SenRepus
        you know theyre friends

        • 2005-04-11 10102, 2005

      • ruaok
        MBChatLogger can suck my nutz

        • 2005-04-11 10113, 2005

      • MBChatLogger
        I hate the evil empire

        • 2005-04-11 10113, 2005

      • SenRepus
        microsoft

        • 2005-04-11 10115, 2005

      • mo
        besides modbot is an *it*

        • 2005-04-11 10116, 2005

      • MBChatLogger
        windows == pure evil

        • 2005-04-11 10116, 2005

      • SenRepus
        windoze

        • 2005-04-11 10119, 2005

      • djce
        ruaok: no changes required

        • 2005-04-11 10127, 2005

      • cikkolata
        who says bots can't have genders?

        • 2005-04-11 10127, 2005

      • MBChatLogger
        Ewww! Gross!

        • 2005-04-11 10127, 2005

      • mo
        gracenote

        • 2005-04-11 10135, 2005

      • MBChatLogger
        cries and hides

        • 2005-04-11 10135, 2005

      • djce kicks MBChatLogger

        • 2005-04-11 10140, 2005

      • SenRepus
        hey be nice

        • 2005-04-11 10142, 2005

      • ruaok
        mo & SenRepus: kids!

        • 2005-04-11 10143, 2005

      • mo
        hey!

        • 2005-04-11 10143, 2005

      • cikkolata
        aww

        • 2005-04-11 10146, 2005

      • SenRepus hugs MBChatLogger

        • 2005-04-11 10148, 2005

      • MBChatLogger
        smiles and blushes

        • 2005-04-11 10148, 2005

      • djce kisses MBChatLogger

        • 2005-04-11 10107, 2005

      • ruaok
        djce: well, then. I'll go back to having my morning then.

        • 2005-04-11 10108, 2005

      • djce
        I think that's about it's repertoire :-)

        • 2005-04-11 10110, 2005

      • mo stares at the MBChatLogger

        • 2005-04-11 10123, 2005

      • ruaok
        and try and clean out my mail spool that exploded overnight.

        • 2005-04-11 10139, 2005

      • mo
        meep, I'm glad im not you

        • 2005-04-11 10145, 2005

      • mo
        mail is evil ;)

        • 2005-04-11 10130, 2005

      • MBChatLogger
        boo

        • 2005-04-11 10149, 2005

      • cikkolata snickers

        • 2005-04-11 10155, 2005

      • jellyfish
        say guys, if a song was realeased on a couple of different compilations should "is a cover of" info be added to each of them or is it enough to say they're identical?

        • 2005-04-11 10159, 2005

      • mo
        another thing.. when searching these artists peopl�e afinf duplicated artists that are spelling mistakes etc.. that's pretty cool

        • 2005-04-11 10108, 2005

      • jellyfish
        like so: http://www.musicbrainz.org/showtrack.html?trackid…

        • 2005-04-11 10109, 2005

      • cikkolata
        afinf?

        • 2005-04-11 10123, 2005

      • mo
        find

        • 2005-04-11 10135, 2005

      • yalaforge
        wow :-)

        • 2005-04-11 10141, 2005

      • mo
        wow?

        • 2005-04-11 10148, 2005

      • ruaok
        ahhhh. quiet server logs.

        • 2005-04-11 10148, 2005

      • cikkolata
        that's one heck of a typo :P

        • 2005-04-11 10157, 2005

      • mo
        :PP

        • 2005-04-11 10157, 2005

      • yalaforge
        I would never have guessed 'find' :-)

        • 2005-04-11 10102, 2005

      • cikkolata
        me neither

        • 2005-04-11 10105, 2005

      • SenRepus
        i think we should have a "is the same as" or something for connecting the same song

        • 2005-04-11 10110, 2005

      • mo
        a finf (ef is next to d)

        • 2005-04-11 10118, 2005

      • cikkolata
        I was thinking "aging", but that didn't make sense either

        • 2005-04-11 10120, 2005

      • SenRepus
        is a remix of, is a exact copy of, is an early version of

        • 2005-04-11 10121, 2005

      • mo
        find

        • 2005-04-11 10123, 2005

      • yalaforge
        ruaok: why do I have link editor privs?

        • 2005-04-11 10125, 2005

      • jellyfish
        "is the earliest release of" means "is the same as"

        • 2005-04-11 10133, 2005

      • djce
        we have 800 artist<=>artist links now

        • 2005-04-11 10134, 2005

      • yalaforge
        I mean, I know nothing about AR

        • 2005-04-11 10149, 2005

      • djce
        Hey that reminds me: we need a graph of AR links for /stats.html

        • 2005-04-11 10155, 2005

      • cikkolata
        you do

        • 2005-04-11 10102, 2005

      • cikkolata
        I was going to suggest that earlier.

        • 2005-04-11 10109, 2005

      • cikkolata
        I like graphs :o

        • 2005-04-11 10111, 2005

      • SenRepus
        because we are goign to have "John Lenno and Paul McCartney composed [insert 100 beatles songs here] s

        • 2005-04-11 10122, 2005

      • yalaforge
        and of course, we need a birthday box on /index.html

        • 2005-04-11 10122, 2005

      • mo
        o_O

        • 2005-04-11 10126, 2005

      • djce
        cikkolata: fancy hacking it in?

        • 2005-04-11 10132, 2005

      • ruaok
        yalaforge: why not?

        • 2005-04-11 10138, 2005

      • cikkolata
        eeeeek

        • 2005-04-11 10158, 2005

      • yalaforge
        ruaok: I was just surprised, and I think I don't need it. the less people have the privs, the better

        • 2005-04-11 10127, 2005

      • ruaok
        I trust you, yalaforge. No point in taking it away. :-)

        • 2005-04-11 10134, 2005

      • yalaforge
        :-)

        • 2005-04-11 10146, 2005

      • cikkolata
        people don't normally ask for privs to be taken away

        • 2005-04-11 10151, 2005

      • ruaok
        Don't make me set the untrusted bit on you.

        • 2005-04-11 10156, 2005

      • yalaforge
        lol

        • 2005-04-11 10100, 2005

      • cikkolata giggles

        • 2005-04-11 10104, 2005

      • cikkolata
        that's just evil

        • 2005-04-11 10110, 2005

      • yalaforge
        I didn't want automod privs at first, either ;-)

        • 2005-04-11 10119, 2005

      • cikkolata
        why not?

        • 2005-04-11 10131, 2005

      • ruaok
        and how many months did I have to chase you with CVS privs?

        • 2005-04-11 10141, 2005

      • yalaforge
        it's no advantage for me, only for voters

        • 2005-04-11 10151, 2005

      • ZeroGravitas joined the channel

        • 2005-04-11 10156, 2005

      • mo
        hi

        • 2005-04-11 10156, 2005

      • yalaforge
        I like my mods being checked. but they got too many

        • 2005-04-11 10100, 2005

      • cikkolata
        hiya

        • 2005-04-11 10102, 2005

      • yalaforge
        hey

        • 2005-04-11 10108, 2005

      • cikkolata
        ah

        • 2005-04-11 10109, 2005

      • ZeroGravitas
        how do.