I think language *sould* be the language. I mean come on. if language is the language ther script is in.. then almosteverything wil lbe english.. and what point is there in scrip then?
2005-05-12 13243, 2005
cikkolata
oh?
2005-05-12 13250, 2005
bees
bees is now known as lulla
2005-05-12 13258, 2005
mo
the way I see it. is, the language is the written/soung (in most cases spoken kanguage of the artist, and it correlates with the country of the artists' origin) the script is the *script* used in the tracklistin/website
2005-05-12 13236, 2005
mo
so a transliterated Dir en grey album would still be japanese, but the cript latin, not kanji&kana
2005-05-12 13256, 2005
cikkolata
but transliterated is still japanese.
2005-05-12 13205, 2005
cikkolata
translated is english
2005-05-12 13213, 2005
cikkolata
or whatever it was translated into
2005-05-12 13223, 2005
mo
yes but that doesnt mean they sing in english!
2005-05-12 13238, 2005
DJKC
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2005-05-12 13239, 2005
DJKC
This will be something that we have to address; I'm not sure that 'Multiple Languages' is the best choice in this case, e.g. a Japanese album with English translation and transliteration into Roman script should be listed as 'English'. @alex
2005-05-12 13200, 2005
DJKC
there it makes it sound like transliterations would be listed as English still
2005-05-12 13215, 2005
mo
we arent trasnaltion int oenglish, we are writing i na latin script for tagging/userinterface usability. we are also translation, because peopel also like that and the database is international
2005-05-12 13217, 2005
cikkolata
I don't remember what was going on there
2005-05-12 13221, 2005
cikkolata
no
2005-05-12 13230, 2005
cikkolata
there are some where the japanese is translated
2005-05-12 13244, 2005
cikkolata
I think the... geneon? releases are officially translated
2005-05-12 13205, 2005
mo
stil japanese though. if the transaltion happens on the actual musical medium. then of course the language is english
2005-05-12 13208, 2005
cikkolata tries to summon dupuy
2005-05-12 13209, 2005
DJKC
square enix releases often are too
2005-05-12 13222, 2005
DJKC
just the tracklists are translated
2005-05-12 13234, 2005
DJKC
chinese albums often have official tracknames in 3-4 languages
2005-05-12 13242, 2005
hdn has quit
2005-05-12 13204, 2005
mo
say if norwegian metalband TNT releases an album with only english lyrics.. the language would be english/latin. they also release only norwegian album. it is norwegian/latin
2005-05-12 13240, 2005
mo
DJKC: are you agreeign with me or disagreeign with me? ;)
2005-05-12 13254, 2005
DJKC
and korean albums in Japan get Japanese translated titles usually while English albums just get transliterated, it feels odd to label the former as Japanese, Kanji & Kana but the latter as English, katakana
2005-05-12 13205, 2005
DJKC
mo: can't it be both? ^^
2005-05-12 13211, 2005
mo
heh
2005-05-12 13216, 2005
cikkolata
but if they're transliterated, they're not english
2005-05-12 13228, 2005
cikkolata
if the words aren't in an english dictionary, I can't say it's english
2005-05-12 13229, 2005
mo
theyre english /katakana
2005-05-12 13238, 2005
cikkolata
oh
2005-05-12 13241, 2005
cikkolata rereads
2005-05-12 13243, 2005
mo
:]
2005-05-12 13248, 2005
cikkolata
I managed to miss a line
2005-05-12 13206, 2005
mo
script= written words. language = sound of words
2005-05-12 13208, 2005
cikkolata thinks she'll just blame tommy
2005-05-12 13211, 2005
mo
that basically is my statement
2005-05-12 13223, 2005
mo
tommy who?
2005-05-12 13231, 2005
mo
(yes there'sa pun there)
2005-05-12 13231, 2005
DJKC
february oneesan
2005-05-12 13240, 2005
mo
tommy sings in english?
2005-05-12 13245, 2005
mo
so did akeboshi
2005-05-12 13258, 2005
cikkolata
I blame her for having music that distracts me from reading
2005-05-12 13202, 2005
mo
lol
2005-05-12 13208, 2005
DJKC
Tommy february6 sings in Japanese and English, yes
2005-05-12 13228, 2005
DJKC
Not to the extent of say Melody.
2005-05-12 13241, 2005
DJKC
who's had singles that had two versions, one all JP and one all EN
2005-05-12 13247, 2005
mo
so japanese songs, japanese. english songs. english. but both are kanji&kana, sept transliterations are roman text. : latin
2005-05-12 13216, 2005
g0llum joined the channel
2005-05-12 13218, 2005
mo
english songs written with katakana: katakana.
2005-05-12 13227, 2005
luks has quit
2005-05-12 13233, 2005
cikkolata
script isn't what we're arguing
2005-05-12 13254, 2005
cikkolata
the only thing script can apply to is the titles
2005-05-12 13205, 2005
mo
if song sound in english, has romajii text.(eg latin scrip) then yes, you face the posibility of english/latin for a japanese artist. but thats.. well right
2005-05-12 13232, 2005
cikkolata
but I think we're arguing two things about language
2005-05-12 13246, 2005
mo
wich is what?
2005-05-12 13253, 2005
cikkolata
I'm not sure...
2005-05-12 13200, 2005
mo
heh. me neither
2005-05-12 13201, 2005
mo
:)
2005-05-12 13255, 2005
DJKC
well, part of the problem is that to most people if they see "album language" they're going to think performance language
2005-05-12 13208, 2005
DJKC
when for some reason it was chosen to mean only the language the titles are in
2005-05-12 13247, 2005
real joined the channel
2005-05-12 13227, 2005
mo
but that is kinda stupid. because script already does that
2005-05-12 13236, 2005
cikkolata
no it doesn't
2005-05-12 13254, 2005
mo
if language is ment that then script is redugnant. because japanese is *always* kanji&kana or romanji
2005-05-12 13208, 2005
mo
not hebrew
2005-05-12 13222, 2005
cikkolata
no
2005-05-12 13226, 2005
mo
even if soem japanese person decided to sing in hebrew for an album
2005-05-12 13227, 2005
cikkolata
you can write japanese in cyrillic if you like
2005-05-12 13233, 2005
mo
yes.
2005-05-12 13241, 2005
mo
but the language isnt russian for that
2005-05-12 13244, 2005
real
япония
2005-05-12 13253, 2005
mo
no unicode support
2005-05-12 13202, 2005
mo said helpfully
2005-05-12 13202, 2005
cikkolata
hehe
2005-05-12 13219, 2005
DJKC
there are some albums with Japanese titles written all in latin
2005-05-12 13220, 2005
mo
I actually have an exelent example:
2005-05-12 13226, 2005
DJKC
not romanized, like that on the original
2005-05-12 13227, 2005
cikkolata
he wrote japonija, depending on how you transliterate it
2005-05-12 13253, 2005
mo
DJKC: then the scrip: is roman and therfor latin. whiel the language they sing is japanese
2005-05-12 13255, 2005
DJKC
off the top of my head, eX-Girl has some like that
2005-05-12 13204, 2005
mo
to me anyway
2005-05-12 13218, 2005
DJKC
yes, the script is latin but the language is Japanese
2005-05-12 13230, 2005
DJKC
the titles aren't English words, they're Japanese ones still
2005-05-12 13200, 2005
mo
listen. the DeG album 'macabre' the first track is both writen and sung russin, the script is cyrillic. the translated album would have altin. but russina for th alnguage (if we had track-track languages, that is)
2005-05-12 13256, 2005
DJKC
not really sure where you're going... especially with <mo> if language is ment that then script is redugnant. because japanese is *always* kanji&kana or romanji
2005-05-12 13215, 2005
mo
ai I was wrong! the original script for the fist track is also latin. aw well.. well. but he sings is russian
2005-05-12 13228, 2005
luks joined the channel
2005-05-12 13239, 2005
Jiel has quit
2005-05-12 13241, 2005
DJKC
other thing that comes to mind...
2005-05-12 13247, 2005
mo
well japanese isnt *cyrillic* but yes we can write japanese *in* cyrillic
2005-05-12 13253, 2005
DJKC
cikkolata: how would you handle furigana?
2005-05-12 13255, 2005
mo
it doesnt make it russian though
2005-05-12 13208, 2005
cikkolata
where?
2005-05-12 13224, 2005
mo
a norwegian song with an english title is stil a norwegian song. sung in norwegian
2005-05-12 13235, 2005
mo
oh? what is furigana?
2005-05-12 13243, 2005
cikkolata
mini kana over kanji
2005-05-12 13252, 2005
cikkolata
for pronunciation
2005-05-12 13255, 2005
DJKC
not always kana
2005-05-12 13256, 2005
mo
oh that. lol the macabre album has that *to*
2005-05-12 13259, 2005
DJKC
can be kanji or english either
2005-05-12 13215, 2005
mo
ooh awsokme. would be grand if we vcould add that to the tracks :D
2005-05-12 13223, 2005
cikkolata angsts
2005-05-12 13228, 2005
DJKC
tokyo ethmusica has some stuff with korean and ainu titles but Japanese names in furigana
2005-05-12 13230, 2005
mo
why cikka?
2005-05-12 13234, 2005
cikkolata
ainu!
2005-05-12 13258, 2005
cikkolata
because mozilla have a 5 year old bug for <ruby> support.
2005-05-12 13217, 2005
mo
so with the current proposion. they would be listed as 'japanese' as language. because the tracks are written in furigana?
