blechx: if you're on linux, you can install from CVS and get something going now.
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blechx
ruaok, hmm. i just might
2005-06-23 17444, 2005
ruaok
follow the picard instructions.
2005-06-23 17450, 2005
luks
he can install CVS version also on windows :p
2005-06-23 17452, 2005
ruaok
you'll need libtp from CVS and picard from CVS.
2005-06-23 17409, 2005
ruaok
luks: true, but there are VERY FEW sane people who do that.
2005-06-23 17412, 2005
blechx
yea, i read that :)
2005-06-23 17416, 2005
ruaok
Its a massive amount of work.
2005-06-23 17422, 2005
blechx
hmm, whats djce?
2005-06-23 17430, 2005
ruaok
Dave Evans
2005-06-23 17434, 2005
blechx
im lookin in daily stapshots now
2005-06-23 17440, 2005
ruaok
perfect.
2005-06-23 17456, 2005
blechx
wich one shall i get? the djce one or the non-djce one?
2005-06-23 17414, 2005
ruaok
non-djce I think.
2005-06-23 17436, 2005
blechx
luks, its not kind to assume im male ;)
2005-06-23 17452, 2005
luks
sorry :)
2005-06-23 17411, 2005
ruaok
can you tell we don't get many females here?
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_mo
heh
2005-06-23 17426, 2005
ruaok
nikki_, bmaury and yylona come to mind, and that is IT.
2005-06-23 17429, 2005
ruaok
sad.
2005-06-23 17453, 2005
blechx
yea, whats up with all hacker girls? :)
2005-06-23 17411, 2005
ruaok
not enough hacker girls. ever.
2005-06-23 17455, 2005
blechx
i have a feeling its on the rise tho
2005-06-23 17452, 2005
blechx
btw, i AM male, tho i really think it shouldnt matter, and assuming everyone is male isnt exactly the best way to get girls into hacking :)
2005-06-23 17453, 2005
ruaok hopes so
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blechx
lets see now. looking thru INSTALL :)
2005-06-23 17448, 2005
DJKC
blame english for not having a commonly used gender neutral pronoun
2005-06-23 17457, 2005
blechx
it sucks, i know
2005-06-23 17404, 2005
blechx
finnish has :)
2005-06-23 17437, 2005
_mo
I gotta go, my computer is being wtf
2005-06-23 17439, 2005
blechx
there are initiatives to use "they" in singularis too, but i find that kinda confusing.
2005-06-23 17440, 2005
_mo
brb
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blechx
cya
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_mo
what?
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_mo has quit
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ruaok
serves him right for using 98...
2005-06-23 17417, 2005
blechx
hehe
2005-06-23 17423, 2005
blechx
what os are you on?
2005-06-23 17421, 2005
blechx
ive heard rumors of debian/gentoo ;)
2005-06-23 17447, 2005
ruaok
ubuntu, now.
2005-06-23 17453, 2005
blechx
ah, nice
2005-06-23 17407, 2005
blechx
im gana help my father install that one like tomorrow
2005-06-23 17413, 2005
DJKC
he uses ME
2005-06-23 17420, 2005
DJKC
but still, I agree ^^
2005-06-23 17421, 2005
blechx
i ordered 30 cds from them, hehe ;)
2005-06-23 17439, 2005
blechx
got them 3 days ago
2005-06-23 17459, 2005
blechx
gana force them onto my non-suspecting friends ;)
2005-06-23 17406, 2005
stoopid
stoopid is now known as bootdisk
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ruaok
bbiab
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ruaok has quit
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blechx
be back in a what?
2005-06-23 17425, 2005
DJKC
bit
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blechx
k :)
2005-06-23 17424, 2005
blechx
building wxPython now :)
2005-06-23 17416, 2005
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blechx
wb :)
2005-06-23 17423, 2005
ruaok
:_)
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blechx
wb you too ;)
2005-06-23 17433, 2005
_mo
I DONT USE 98!!
2005-06-23 17438, 2005
_mo
:)
2005-06-23 17442, 2005
blechx
im building wxPython atm
2005-06-23 17448, 2005
_mo
bsides, it was online for 5 days now :p
2005-06-23 17401, 2005
blechx
wow ;)
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Knio has quit
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_mo
well ME is better than XP exept for unicode
2005-06-23 17428, 2005
luks
hehe, what?
2005-06-23 17431, 2005
_mo
if I coudl get ME with unicode I'd be happy :/
2005-06-23 17436, 2005
DJKC
only according to you
2005-06-23 17449, 2005
_mo
I don't know..
2005-06-23 17405, 2005
_mo
what *is* it exept for (unicode) thats so bad about ME anyway?
2005-06-23 17435, 2005
blechx
hehe, whats so bad about YOU? ;)
2005-06-23 17447, 2005
_mo
blechx, you're not amusing
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DJKC has quit
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_mo
ok I gotta sleep anyway
2005-06-23 17420, 2005
blechx
good night
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_mo
natta
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_mo
_mo is now known as mo_Zzz
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DJKC
unstable - has a tendancy to leak memory and need to be rebooted after just a few days or weeks. 2k and xp are both easy to keep up for 6-12 months at a time.
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DJKC
only supports fat and fat32, can't use nicer file systems like ntfs
2005-06-23 17451, 2005
mo_Zzz
these are all things I don't Know/care about/need
2005-06-23 17424, 2005
luks
you don't need stable system? :)
2005-06-23 17429, 2005
DJKC
yes, that's fine if you don't, but when you say that it's better than xp just because you don't care about the features that make it worse seems a bit silly
2005-06-23 17443, 2005
mo_Zzz
I am sorry that because for soem reason I don't understand, my system works fro me when it is betrowed within the entire universe s beign crap that I have to feel ashamed and useless for somethign that does actually work
2005-06-23 17406, 2005
mo_Zzz
my system *is* stable
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mo_Zzz
surprisingly stabel
2005-06-23 17414, 2005
mo_Zzz
stable
2005-06-23 17420, 2005
mo_Zzz
maybe XP is more stable
2005-06-23 17422, 2005
mo_Zzz
I don't know
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Shepard
natta mo
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mo_Zzz
the thing is, it also has the stupid userscatalog and settings, you have to register and a bunch of crap that makes it harder to tweak it the way *I* liek it
2005-06-23 17401, 2005
Shepard
luks: thanks for the votes :)
2005-06-23 17410, 2005
luks
no problem :)
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DJKC shrugs
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lulla
lulla is now known as coite
2005-06-23 17438, 2005
mo_Zzz
if the XP user interface was more 'one person orientated' I'd probably agree with you
2005-06-23 17443, 2005
DJKC
no reason to feel ashamed, but attacking something that's in general a better product just always strikes me as odd
2005-06-23 17400, 2005
mo_Zzz
but the several suers and a administratot watchamacallit just bugs me to much
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DJKC
you can have just the administrator account if you want, but that's less secure
2005-06-23 17434, 2005
DJKC
same thing on linux, you can have just a single account but it's a bad idea
2005-06-23 17444, 2005
coite
coite is now known as lulla
2005-06-23 17448, 2005
mo_Zzz
because to me, its not a general better product, its made so pleebian neewbie idiots wil lhave a harder time fuckign up their system by deletign something wrong
2005-06-23 17405, 2005
mo_Zzz
secure? what so? secure how?
2005-06-23 17413, 2005
mo_Zzz
noone else uses my computer but me
2005-06-23 17422, 2005
DJKC
but you're on the internet
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mo_Zzz
so?
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DJKC
so the point is you could possibly get infected with a virus or hacked
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mo_Zzz
XP was so full of security leaks they've practically ... erh.. somethign goes here
2005-06-23 17407, 2005
mo_Zzz
nobody is interested in my macine to hack its a ME machine afterall ;)
2005-06-23 17411, 2005
DJKC
the point of having multiple accounts is that for day to day stuff if you get exploited they won't be able to access enough to do major damage
2005-06-23 17414, 2005
mo_Zzz
and my virus program is golden
2005-06-23 17439, 2005
DJKC
mo_Zzz: a zombie is a zombie. the people that run botnets with 10000+ PCs dont' care what it's running as long as it's hooked up to the internet
2005-06-23 17402, 2005
mo_Zzz
well I've not been hacked sofar
2005-06-23 17447, 2005
DJKC
err, and?
2005-06-23 17450, 2005
mo_Zzz
so?
2005-06-23 17402, 2005
mo_Zzz
I obviusly don't need a sperate account
2005-06-23 17405, 2005
DJKC
I was explaining why multiple accounts is a good idea for security, not "has mo been hacked yet?"
2005-06-23 17410, 2005
mo_Zzz
I just don't see the need
2005-06-23 17455, 2005
DJKC
so stick with Me. I'm not trying to convince you to switch, I'm attempting to explain why 2k/xp are considered better...
2005-06-23 17401, 2005
mo_Zzz
the possible benifit does not (for me) outway the irritation / disworkability of havign my files randoly scattered and hard to get by
2005-06-23 17411, 2005
mo_Zzz
well ok, that ok
2005-06-23 17428, 2005
mo_Zzz
I'm erh.. tryign to explain trhat why I think XP is such crap
2005-06-23 17436, 2005
mo_Zzz
if I ever *Do* change OS's
2005-06-23 17443, 2005
mo_Zzz
I wil go linux, obvisuly
2005-06-23 17436, 2005
mo_Zzz
its' not so much about me loving ME so much that I *hate* XP
2005-06-23 17456, 2005
mo_Zzz
we have XP on my school macines and I cant eve nset my freaking homepage
2005-06-23 17404, 2005
mo_Zzz
the set homepage is not usefull
2005-06-23 17406, 2005
DJKC
heh. see it's the "obviously" that bugs me there as much as the random slagging of xp because you don't need the features it has compared to xp. I don't care what OS people use as long as they're not being zealous about it and bashing others without actually looking at what it does good
2005-06-23 17415, 2005
DJKC
mo_Zzz: err, isn't that how they're supposed to be?
2005-06-23 17427, 2005
DJKC
I worked as a lab attendant years and years ago, we didn't want people changing anything
2005-06-23 17444, 2005
DJKC
since changing was generally step 1 with step 2 being "machine completely fucked up and needs to be reloaded" -_-;
2005-06-23 17456, 2005
mo_Zzz
but they've taken it so far to alevel of security that the macine beomes unusable even for usualthings
2005-06-23 17419, 2005
DJKC
I'm guessing it's just for light web browsing, email, and typing/printing papers?
2005-06-23 17424, 2005
mo_Zzz
like 'save image to desctop'
2005-06-23 17429, 2005
mo_Zzz
yes
2005-06-23 17441, 2005
DJKC
heh, then I'd say they set it up right :P
2005-06-23 17442, 2005
mo_Zzz
cant change printers because don't have admin powers >_<
2005-06-23 17447, 2005
blechx
mo_Zzz, i fail to see how that can be windows XPs fault?
2005-06-23 17458, 2005
mo_Zzz
because in mE i can hack that
2005-06-23 17400, 2005
mo_Zzz
:DD
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DJKC
if you want to do stuff you're not allowed to then don't blame the OS, figure out how to do it under that OS
2005-06-23 17414, 2005
blechx
yea, security holes is a great feature ;)
2005-06-23 17416, 2005
DJKC
you probably can under xp too
2005-06-23 17422, 2005
mo_Zzz
ok
2005-06-23 17426, 2005
mo_Zzz
now i'm intersted
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DJKC
but it'd be more effort and then there's always the fun risk of expulsion
