blechx: if you're on linux, you can install from CVS and get something going now.
blechx
ruaok, hmm. i just might
ruaok
follow the picard instructions.
luks
he can install CVS version also on windows :p
ruaok
you'll need libtp from CVS and picard from CVS.
luks: true, but there are VERY FEW sane people who do that.
blechx
yea, i read that :)
ruaok
Its a massive amount of work.
blechx
hmm, whats djce?
ruaok
Dave Evans
blechx
im lookin in daily stapshots now
ruaok
perfect.
blechx
wich one shall i get? the djce one or the non-djce one?
ruaok
non-djce I think.
blechx
luks, its not kind to assume im male ;)
luks
sorry :)
ruaok
can you tell we don't get many females here?
_mo
heh
ruaok
nikki_, bmaury and yylona come to mind, and that is IT.
sad.
blechx
yea, whats up with all hacker girls? :)
ruaok
not enough hacker girls. ever.
blechx
i have a feeling its on the rise tho
btw, i AM male, tho i really think it shouldnt matter, and assuming everyone is male isnt exactly the best way to get girls into hacking :)
ruaok hopes so
lets see now. looking thru INSTALL :)
DJKC
blame english for not having a commonly used gender neutral pronoun
blechx
it sucks, i know
finnish has :)
_mo
I gotta go, my computer is being wtf
blechx
there are initiatives to use "they" in singularis too, but i find that kinda confusing.
_mo
brb
blechx
cya
_mo
what?
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ruaok
serves him right for using 98...
blechx
hehe
what os are you on?
ive heard rumors of debian/gentoo ;)
ruaok
ubuntu, now.
blechx
ah, nice
im gana help my father install that one like tomorrow
DJKC
he uses ME
but still, I agree ^^
blechx
i ordered 30 cds from them, hehe ;)
got them 3 days ago
gana force them onto my non-suspecting friends ;)
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ruaok
bbiab
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blechx
be back in a what?
DJKC
bit
blechx
k :)
building wxPython now :)
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wb :)
ruaok
:_)
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blechx
wb you too ;)
_mo
I DONT USE 98!!
:)
blechx
im building wxPython atm
_mo
bsides, it was online for 5 days now :p
blechx
wow ;)
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_mo
well ME is better than XP exept for unicode
luks
hehe, what?
_mo
if I coudl get ME with unicode I'd be happy :/
DJKC
only according to you
_mo
I don't know..
what *is* it exept for (unicode) thats so bad about ME anyway?
blechx
hehe, whats so bad about YOU? ;)
_mo
blechx, you're not amusing
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ok I gotta sleep anyway
blechx
good night
_mo
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DJKC
unstable - has a tendancy to leak memory and need to be rebooted after just a few days or weeks. 2k and xp are both easy to keep up for 6-12 months at a time.
only supports fat and fat32, can't use nicer file systems like ntfs
mo_Zzz
these are all things I don't Know/care about/need
luks
you don't need stable system? :)
DJKC
yes, that's fine if you don't, but when you say that it's better than xp just because you don't care about the features that make it worse seems a bit silly
mo_Zzz
I am sorry that because for soem reason I don't understand, my system works fro me when it is betrowed within the entire universe s beign crap that I have to feel ashamed and useless for somethign that does actually work
my system *is* stable
surprisingly stabel
stable
maybe XP is more stable
I don't know
Shepard
natta mo
mo_Zzz
the thing is, it also has the stupid userscatalog and settings, you have to register and a bunch of crap that makes it harder to tweak it the way *I* liek it
Shepard
luks: thanks for the votes :)
luks
no problem :)
DJKC shrugs
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mo_Zzz
if the XP user interface was more 'one person orientated' I'd probably agree with you
DJKC
no reason to feel ashamed, but attacking something that's in general a better product just always strikes me as odd
mo_Zzz
but the several suers and a administratot watchamacallit just bugs me to much
DJKC
you can have just the administrator account if you want, but that's less secure
same thing on linux, you can have just a single account but it's a bad idea
coite
coite is now known as lulla
mo_Zzz
because to me, its not a general better product, its made so pleebian neewbie idiots wil lhave a harder time fuckign up their system by deletign something wrong
secure? what so? secure how?
noone else uses my computer but me
DJKC
but you're on the internet
mo_Zzz
so?
DJKC
so the point is you could possibly get infected with a virus or hacked
mo_Zzz
XP was so full of security leaks they've practically ... erh.. somethign goes here
nobody is interested in my macine to hack its a ME machine afterall ;)
DJKC
the point of having multiple accounts is that for day to day stuff if you get exploited they won't be able to access enough to do major damage
mo_Zzz
and my virus program is golden
DJKC
mo_Zzz: a zombie is a zombie. the people that run botnets with 10000+ PCs dont' care what it's running as long as it's hooked up to the internet
mo_Zzz
well I've not been hacked sofar
DJKC
err, and?
mo_Zzz
so?
I obviusly don't need a sperate account
DJKC
I was explaining why multiple accounts is a good idea for security, not "has mo been hacked yet?"
mo_Zzz
I just don't see the need
DJKC
so stick with Me. I'm not trying to convince you to switch, I'm attempting to explain why 2k/xp are considered better...
mo_Zzz
the possible benifit does not (for me) outway the irritation / disworkability of havign my files randoly scattered and hard to get by
well ok, that ok
I'm erh.. tryign to explain trhat why I think XP is such crap
if I ever *Do* change OS's
I wil go linux, obvisuly
its' not so much about me loving ME so much that I *hate* XP
we have XP on my school macines and I cant eve nset my freaking homepage
the set homepage is not usefull
DJKC
heh. see it's the "obviously" that bugs me there as much as the random slagging of xp because you don't need the features it has compared to xp. I don't care what OS people use as long as they're not being zealous about it and bashing others without actually looking at what it does good
mo_Zzz: err, isn't that how they're supposed to be?
I worked as a lab attendant years and years ago, we didn't want people changing anything
since changing was generally step 1 with step 2 being "machine completely fucked up and needs to be reloaded" -_-;
mo_Zzz
but they've taken it so far to alevel of security that the macine beomes unusable even for usualthings
DJKC
I'm guessing it's just for light web browsing, email, and typing/printing papers?
mo_Zzz
like 'save image to desctop'
yes
DJKC
heh, then I'd say they set it up right :P
mo_Zzz
cant change printers because don't have admin powers >_<
blechx
mo_Zzz, i fail to see how that can be windows XPs fault?
mo_Zzz
because in mE i can hack that
:DD
DJKC
if you want to do stuff you're not allowed to then don't blame the OS, figure out how to do it under that OS
blechx
yea, security holes is a great feature ;)
DJKC
you probably can under xp too
mo_Zzz
ok
now i'm intersted
DJKC
but it'd be more effort and then there's always the fun risk of expulsion