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      • inhouseuk
        koogah2005: https://musicbrainz.helixcommunity.org/

        • 2005-11-22 32647, 2005

      • luks
        koogah2005: picard is written in the python, you don't have to compile it

        • 2005-11-22 32650, 2005

      • luks
        but you have to compile libmusicbrainz and libtunepimp :p

        • 2005-11-22 32610, 2005

      • luks
        + libmad, libz, libogg, ...

        • 2005-11-22 32617, 2005

      • yllona
        house: how is helix doing i mostly follow darwin

        • 2005-11-22 32606, 2005

      • yllona is listening to Bennie And The Jets by Elton John from Goodbye Yellow Brick Road (1995) (0:12 / 5:23)

        • 2005-11-22 32650, 2005

      • inhouseuk
        yllona: oooo, good track, In fact an excellent album.

        • 2005-11-22 32601, 2005

      • yllona
        heh, yep

        • 2005-11-22 32623, 2005

      • koogah2005
        already sone

        • 2005-11-22 32625, 2005

      • koogah2005
        done

        • 2005-11-22 32630, 2005

      • koogah2005
        still doesnt solve the problem of getting my hands on the tarball for picard

        • 2005-11-22 32649, 2005

      • koogah2005
        ahh.. cvs access.. :)

        • 2005-11-22 32604, 2005

      • yllona
        so house do you remember when elton john appeared on the TV show "Soul Train"

        • 2005-11-22 32605, 2005

      • luks
        koogah2005: http://musicbrainz.org/~dave/picard-snapshots/

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      • luks
        or http://blog.musicbrainz.org/archives/2005/11/pica…

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      • luks
        and download linux tarball

        • 2005-11-22 32615, 2005

      • inhouseuk
        yllona: probably, but my memory for specific events tends to work like fuzzy logic

        • 2005-11-22 32624, 2005

      • koogah2005
        thnx

        • 2005-11-22 32601, 2005

      • yllona
        house: yeah, the '70s are a blur.... :P

        • 2005-11-22 32609, 2005

      • koogah2005
        hmm its all python? nice :)

        • 2005-11-22 32638, 2005

      • luks
        well, the most of job is done in libtunepimp

        • 2005-11-22 32600, 2005

      • koogah2005
        got that one already :) as well as the trm stuff

        • 2005-11-22 32627, 2005

      • koogah2005
        is it correct that picard doensnt do trm lookups? or am i reading the docs wrong?

        • 2005-11-22 32632, 2005

      • nikki__
        correct

        • 2005-11-22 32636, 2005

      • yllona
        house: anyway elton john (bennie and the jets) and david bowie (fame) were the first white performers to appear on "Soul Train". both elton and bowie were overwhelmed (and cried)

        • 2005-11-22 32625, 2005

      • inhouseuk
        awww

        • 2005-11-22 32632, 2005

      • koogah2005
        how come? is it not included yet? or is mb moving away from trm?

        • 2005-11-22 32636, 2005

      • eMb
        How does that work then? How do you get the TRM for tracks in picard?

        • 2005-11-22 32650, 2005

      • eMb
        Or do you mean that it's handled by another library?

        • 2005-11-22 32612, 2005

      • koogah2005
        ive got the trm app so i might hack together an interface if it doesnt get officially supported :)

        • 2005-11-22 32652, 2005

      • koogah2005
        i kind of like the mb-tagger client actually but i cant get it to run under wine.. *sigh*

        • 2005-11-22 32639, 2005

      • inhouseuk
        the beginning of http://blog.musicbrainz.org/archives/general/inde… gives the low down on TRM

        • 2005-11-22 32623, 2005

      • eMb
        Alright, thanks.

        • 2005-11-22 32651, 2005

      • koogah2005
        how about jsut using the bitzi fingerprint?

        • 2005-11-22 32602, 2005

      • nikki__ still hasn't decided which isp to go for

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      • koogah2005
        or doing so for the first 500K of the file?

        • 2005-11-22 32614, 2005

      • koogah2005
        s/su/us/

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      • koogah2005
        plus the distribution problem is already solved by a debian tool that gives specific updates to iso images

        • 2005-11-22 32629, 2005

      • koogah2005
        so we might have the best of both worlds

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      • luks has quit

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      • inhouseuk
        nikki__: http://www.adslguide.org.uk/ might help you choose. Use the comparison feature and have a read of the forums for the ISP's you are thinking about.

        • 2005-11-22 32629, 2005

      • nikki__
        adsl4less want a huge setup fee

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      • nikki__
        I've been there and I'm still stuck ;_;

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      • nikki__
        I hate decisions

        • 2005-11-22 32651, 2005

      • nikki__
        maybe I should have gone with ntl after all...

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      • masi has quit

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      • nikki__
        even if I do hate them

        • 2005-11-22 32605, 2005

      • nikki__
        at least with ntl I only have one 'choice' of isp.

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      • inhouseuk
        ntl truely suck

        • 2005-11-22 32630, 2005

      • nikki__
        and have crappy download limits

        • 2005-11-22 32635, 2005

      • eMb
        Avoid transferlimits at all costs. They are evil.

        • 2005-11-22 32612, 2005

      • inhouseuk forgot about the setup fee on adsl4less

        • 2005-11-22 32614, 2005

      • eMb
        Luckily, if any ISP was to try introducing limits in Sweden - they'd be crushed by other ISPs.

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      • mustaqila
        ntl... [cringe]

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      • dseomn has quit

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      • mustaqila
        NTL is like a fascist dictator taking over your internet, phone and TV, and doing a crappy job at it too

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      • inhouseuk
        mustaqila: and the visps that use ntl as well, like tesco and virgin

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      • leuzi_
        Hi

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      • inhouseuk
        hi leuzi_

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      • leuzi_
        I use the MusicBraniz::Client perl module for querying the db, but changes to items that have recently been applied are not reflected in the answers i get

        • 2005-11-22 32619, 2005

      • inhouseuk
        have the changes actually gone through or are they waiting to be voted on?

        • 2005-11-22 32640, 2005

      • leuzi_
        they've been applied yesterday

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      • inhouseuk
        can you give an example?

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      • qreag has quit

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      • inhouseuk
        and are you pointing the client to the main server and not a mirror

        • 2005-11-22 32634, 2005

      • leuzi_
        I didn't specify an explicit address so I guess I'm using the default server of the perl module

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      • leuzi_
        whatever that is

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      • leuzi_
        the album that fails to show up is http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=433…

        • 2005-11-22 32610, 2005

      • inhouseuk
        I can't remember what the default is, but try setting $mb->set_server("www.musicbrainz.org",80);

        • 2005-11-22 32621, 2005

      • leuzi_
        ok, I'll try that.

        • 2005-11-22 32620, 2005

      • nikki__
        mustaqila: exactly

        • 2005-11-22 32631, 2005

      • mustaqila
        Wow, everytime I ever told my friends how I hated NTL they'd all be like "Whateverrrrrrr", nice to know some people agree :D

        • 2005-11-22 32652, 2005

      • nikki__ looks for something...

        • 2005-11-22 32606, 2005

      • Russss
        my NTL cable rocks

        • 2005-11-22 32609, 2005

      • Russss
        I am afraid to report

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      • leuzi_
        inhouseuk: I still get the FreeDB entry

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      • inhouseuk
        umm, strange

        • 2005-11-22 32614, 2005

      • leuzi_
        yep

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      • luks_
        which query do you use to?

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      • luks_
        s/ to//

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      • leuzi_
        $mb->query( MBQ_GetCDInfo)

        • 2005-11-22 32628, 2005

      • leuzi_
        following $mb->set_device($device))

        • 2005-11-22 32652, 2005

      • luks_
        but http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=433… doesn't have any discid

        • 2005-11-22 32608, 2005

      • leuzi_
        Ah, I see.

        • 2005-11-22 32622, 2005

      • inhouseuk
        which means it will return the freedb entry

        • 2005-11-22 32628, 2005

      • luks_
        luks_ is now known as luks

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      • inhouseuk
        you need to associate the discid with the entry you added

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      • leuzi_
        I assumed that the Disc-ID would get impoerted along with the FreeDB entry

        • 2005-11-22 32621, 2005

      • inhouseuk
        it should have done, did you use mb_tagger or picard?

        • 2005-11-22 32642, 2005

      • leuzi_
        No, I did this throgh through the web interface

        • 2005-11-22 32656, 2005

      • inhouseuk
        ah, that explains it.

        • 2005-11-22 32620, 2005

      • inhouseuk
        you'll need to run up mb_tagger or picard and click the funny looking magnifying glass icon in the top menu

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      • inhouseuk
        the MB discids are a lot more complex than the freedb ones

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      • leuzi_
        OK

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      • leuzi_
        Problem is, i got no windows machine

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      • inhouseuk
        what do you have?

        • 2005-11-22 32615, 2005

      • leuzi_
        Mac OS X and NetBSD

        • 2005-11-22 32656, 2005

      • yllona
        leuzi: yay!

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      • leuzi_
        yllona: ;-)

        • 2005-11-22 32634, 2005

      • inhouseuk
        yllona: can you help leuzi_ with picard on OS X?

        • 2005-11-22 32651, 2005

      • yllona
        house: i can try...

        • 2005-11-22 32622, 2005

      • yllona
        leuzi: what do you need?

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      • leuzi_
        Isn't there any other way to extract the Disc-ID from CD?

        • 2005-11-22 32634, 2005

      • mustaqila
        yllona, you know what the solution is, a new OS ;)

        • 2005-11-22 32635, 2005

      • Shepard
        hey HairMizzle err HairMetalAddict

        • 2005-11-22 32617, 2005

      • leuzi_
        yllona: Actually, I only need the MB disc-ID of the CD in my drive. :)

        • 2005-11-22 32601, 2005

      • leuzi_
        I guess I might have a look at the Picard source code ...

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      • yllona
        okay, i'm not up-to-date on the disc id stuff, but let me look

        • 2005-11-22 32656, 2005

      • inhouseuk
        leuzi_: the trouble is then attaching it to the album you've added

        • 2005-11-22 32631, 2005

      • leuzi_
        inhouseuk: Oh, I didn't think of this as an obstacle. Waht's the problem with that?

        • 2005-11-22 32639, 2005

      • luks
        leuzi_: you can use examples/cdlookup.c from mb_client source codes

        • 2005-11-22 32652, 2005

      • leuzi_
        luks: OK

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      • inhouseuk
        the normal way of attaching the discid is through either client, it's fiddly to do it manually

        • 2005-11-22 32640, 2005

      • yllona
        leuzi & house. i mostly add albums manually. and haven't examined the MB client source code. i can take a look, if necessary

        • 2005-11-22 32617, 2005

      • yllona
        leuzi: picard on os x has issues: http://blog.musicbrainz.org/archives/2005/09/bad_…

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      • yllona
        altho wxWidgets works on several other OS X clients...

        • 2005-11-22 32629, 2005

      • nikki__
        I thought picard doesn't work on osx

        • 2005-11-22 32640, 2005

      • nikki__
        ruaok said it doesn't, at least

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      • nikki__
        and he knows the most about getting it working

        • 2005-11-22 32614, 2005

      • nikki__
        and cdlookup should work

        • 2005-11-22 32616, 2005

      • leuzi_
        Well, I at least know of one wxWidget app that runs just fine on OS X

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      • yllona
        nikki see above, altho you can compile picard w/ fink and run under X Windows

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      • nikki__
        from libmusicbrainz or whatever, 'cause I use it

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      • nikki__ isn't really following properly

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      • nikki__
        too busy being nervous about internet :o

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      • Shepard
        http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/pre/moderator-o… *sigh*

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      • leuzi_
        So, it works running on X11?

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      • yllona
        leuzi: yep

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      • leuzi_
        yllona: That's just fine with me ... I'm running X11 apps all the time. :)

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      • yllona
        leuzi: me too

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      • yllona grabs snack, and will try to prevent shep from sighing

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      • Shepard
        not easy

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      • leuzi_
        OK, I'll let my machine build the wx Widgets for Python and go to bed ...

        • 2005-11-22 32651, 2005

      • leuzi_
        Thanks for your help so far

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      • inhouseuk
        leuzi_: actually the cdlookup example will launch a web browser to perform the association, it should be all you need

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      • leuzi_
        inhouseuk: OK, I'll try that too.

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      • nikki__
        s

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      • nikki__
        the first thing my mum does is complain about the price :/

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      • mustaqila
        It's a mother's job ;)

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      • leuzi_
        inhouseuk: I had a short look at the cdlookup.c file but couldn't find the place dealing with the disc id

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