#musicbrainz

good to know

gah

I can't log into test.mb :(

nechto13: not ignoring you, just don't want to handle with this case now :)

nechto13: if you don't get an answer from us, it probably means we don't really care about or follow what you're asking us about

it means we are asshats

umm thanks, i guess?

Shepard: one of my clients was intending to use MB for a project, with all the stupidity and bickering they've seen over the last couple of weeks they are now going to probably use a combination of graceshit and AMG

oh dear.

ooh graceshit, where do i find that?

ahh

err.. want do you want to tell me with that? that I'm responsible for stupidity? that this case is stupid? (yes it is) or why do you address me with that?

it also means that I probably won't be required to do the coding for the project, therefore no money for me :(

now that I've nuked those icky id3v1 tags, everything shows up fine :)

aww

Shepard: I wasn't pointing fingers at anybody in particular, my client is just amazed that the MB is even considering promoting itself to commercial companies, they don't view MB as being professional in the way that it approaches things

people say the same about wikipedia

I'm not aware that wikipedia sells data licences

though it's the most popular encyclopedia in the web

my client likes the idea of unicode, but as an addition to standard latin1, they would rather go to graceshit with the complete lack of unicode support than use a datasource that forces unicode use without providing a suitable alternative representation

well you know about TurningYourIdeasIntoReality - if you want the money you could try to help with adjusting the processes to make them more professional

grumblegrumblegrumble

I created another account on test but I can't seem to get the email verification :/

maybe test hasn't got sendmail running on it

hum my account works with the pw of the main server there

mine doesn't.

because Nikki isn't nikki.

:/

Shepard: yes, I could, but that would take a considerable amount of my unpaid time, currently a lot of work needs doing on various MB things such as processes, documentation, etc

one of the major worries they had/have is the accidental corruption of good data, which is why I brought up the data locking/protection discussion a couple of weeks ago

ahh

that like the idea of using a open solution for their project, but their reputation will depend on the quality and usefulness of that data to their customers

s/that/they

in other words, if their customers don't like what they get, they are unlikely to get repeat business from them

they would have also probably contributed a far amount of data to MB, certainly when it comes to discids

s/far/fair

:/

sleep well!

thanks!

night nikki

me too, night

nacht shepard

Is it nothing but the crickets and lurkers at this hour?

is that choco rolling around in a chocolate dream?

I take it SenScroog is aka SenRepus

yup

he was here until about an hour ago

inhouseuk: IC.. went to to local electronics outlet today and looked, every single Antec power supply no longer has that pin... but every other company I looked at does.

so antec are the only ones that have dropped the -5V rail

that makes me think they have mis-interpreted the spec

so it seems... though i dont remember if you recall the one spec did say it had N/C

yeah, I think I did see that somewhere

enermax are a good alternative to antec

I saw them.. ones on the shelf were kind of upper end (overkill for the ap)

wow.. didn't even notice till looking online they are made in the U.S.?!?

teleGUISE: could you drop me a line about MOD 3837778 or add a note. i'd like to know why you voted that way. thanks

nechto13: ok..will do later.. it was all very confusing and was considering changing to abstain.. it just seemed the points were in favor the other way.. but will do

though i have to say.. i think navigation on their site sucks

teleGUISE: enermax?

yeah..

the site is also very slow (or at least it is here)

to me it looks like the +Products , +whatever would mean the + expands

what the heck is a plus used for if it doesnt expand?

to show you where you are, I've seen another company use a similar style recently, probably using the same web content management system

well where am i :)?? the front page... where's a product list?

it's so odd all these people talk about atx v2.01 why don't any of them tout the latest specs?

enermax have v2.2 products available as well, select under formfactor on http://www.enermax.com/english/product_supply.asp

hence v2.2 is the one where N/C is listed on pin18/20 for the -5v output

wow their site is dog slow

yup, but they also have the earlier spec as well

now out of curiousity where from the home page did you find that?

clicked on products and chose psu in the blue menu bar at the top

oh.. up at the very top with the 2pixel high pulldown menu?

looks okay to me in firefox

blue menubar?? are you on enermaxusa.com? Its red for me

ah! two different sites, I was on enermax.com not enermaxusa.com

yea the usa site sucks!

hmmm.. well looking at a supply thats to atx 2.2 spec... i don't see a -5v spec

the elt400,500 & 620's all don't have -5v output

okay, so they agree with antec on that

but at least they do have previous spec products available

it appears.. though exactly what I was going to say

so it's intel for being so stupid and antec for trusting them

this could be a major issue for people with older motherboards

it could be interpreted as another way that intel are attempting to force people to upgrade their machines

i cant believe Ill be the first.. I was starting to draft up a letter to antec.. that means -none- of their supplies will support any board requiring -5v.. and i wouldn't think that board was the only one ever made

well they've lost me as a customer, not that they will care about that anyway

yea.. i'd have to say i always boasted about their stuff... I don't have the fanciest of fancy from them but 2 of my boxes are Antec cases with Antec psu's.. and never a hint of trouble but this puts a spin on things

I've got antec supplies in 2 of my machines and I've installed them in quite a few others

throughout the year i've done the same... obviously not Intel boards or one's that required -5v anyway ;)

any new machines I build for myself or build for my customers will use either enermax or non branded ones

so your enermax or any ole generic for your low end builds, huh

yup

well I have to say in my experience with generics... as long as your not loading them to much over 50% of their 'rated load' the only problem i've ever come across is slightly noisy fans w/not a long longevity but usually people are ready to build a new system by then luckily

yes, the only problems I've found with generics are fan related, for normal daily desktop machine use they are okay, but tend to wearout and get noisy for machines that are on 24/7

actually in a persons box with a infamous ECS 5A board the not so tight generic psu worked where the tight supplies caused issues...though really an issue of the ECS board...

so i think it's a semi-generic for mom.. (she hates noise ;) ) and work on getting her updated to this decade before it's over

I've seen similar in the past with a board that was slightly off spec, it was very particular about the psu, In the end I swapped out the board for another one and returned it as faulty

buy a mid range generic with a temperature controlled fan

yea i was looking at Thermaltakes 430 though need to see if it's temp controlled it has dual 80mm and an Ultra 400.. happened to be 2 on the shelf not all that pricey that's why

thermalakes are okay, I've used a couple in the past

moin

howdy g0llum

matter of fact on the ECS board a buddy just gave me one cuz he became frustrated with it.. ECS K7S5A's were very picky.. I put some ddr in it and modified the bios and clocked a duron up pretty good and no blue screens or nothin

Hey there Mr G'

how did things go with the Summit?

moin tele, things are looking good.

what are you up to

now he wants it back ... though he was just joking... though i might give it to him..

That's good to here... anything we could get excited about that really might happen in this lifetime ;)?

have you seen what we are planning to revert the reversion of the styleguide change ;)

is that Swinglish?

have you seen _that_ we are planning...

actually it should be SG5DisasterReliefEfforts (hint at Kathrina hurricane) :)

wow.. a plan that's step 1... no will it be implemented before I require M$'s enhanced fonts, mouse assistance etc.. ;)-

i written it in 30 minutes

otherwise tracks that aren't on the album artist will end up in different directories :(

well I'm glad we have some movers & shakers rattling things up... ;)

i'm sure we'll have tagger support for this in no time

teleGUISE: http://test.musicbrainz.org/album/3999bd53-0283...

Oh boy... is that going to take a few times to get used to seeing!

i'll be scrolling back up expecting to see VA at the top every time

but it's good, isn't it

yes g0llum the solution is good

i like it

there just needs to be some styleguide how to handle series like GU, or series with changing mix artists

yes.. it is... good.. just need to teach the old dogs a new trick... though why is the artist for track 1 just Roni Size and in the current db Roni Size & Reprazent?

uhm. check the album mods

i went after discogs as i undid my stupid mistake

g0llum: I guess it didn't take much coding to impiement as artists are already stored on the tracks even for single artist albums