8:25 AM
Muz turns the speakers down
2006-03-07 06604, 2006
8:26 AM
SenRepus
then theres only one option muz
2006-03-07 06612, 2006
8:26 AM
Muz
Kill him first?
2006-03-07 06613, 2006
8:26 AM
SenRepus
kill or be killed!
2006-03-07 06622, 2006
8:26 AM
Muz
One step ahead of ya ; )
2006-03-07 06605, 2006
8:29 AM
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8:30 AM
BGreeNZ resets his monitor to 1024x768
2006-03-07 06633, 2006
8:32 AM
SenRepus
sorry :/
2006-03-07 06657, 2006
8:34 AM
Muz
iRivers are a pain in the arse
2006-03-07 06629, 2006
8:35 AM
BGreeNZ attempts to set his monitor to 1280x960, just for the hell of it.
2006-03-07 06641, 2006
8:35 AM
Muz
I want to charge it via USB, but it's currently disabled so I can access the drive, so I turn it on and it turns itself off complaining about "low battery" thus I can't turn on the USB charging option `_�
2006-03-07 06657, 2006
8:37 AM
SenRepus
i tried to set my thing too high once and had to restart in safe mode
2006-03-07 06602, 2006
8:38 AM
SenRepus
my moniter is now off and i am sleeping
2006-03-07 06612, 2006
8:38 AM
SenRepus
im going to get less than 4 hours of sleep
2006-03-07 06614, 2006
8:38 AM
SenRepus
i am a moron
2006-03-07 06622, 2006
8:38 AM
Muz
Sleep well : 0
2006-03-07 06623, 2006
8:38 AM
BGreeNZ
Wow, 1280x960 looks *tiny* on a 17" monitor. Reminds me of the time I drove a 12" IBM PS/2 SVGA monitor to 1024x768
2006-03-07 06624, 2006
8:38 AM
Muz
*: )
2006-03-07 06653, 2006
8:38 AM
Muz
My laptop's a 15" and it runs 1400x1050 fine
2006-03-07 06654, 2006
8:38 AM
nikki_
I used to use 1280x1024 on a 15" monitor...
2006-03-07 06619, 2006
8:39 AM
Muz
In fact, it looks stupid if it's not 1400x1050 to me
2006-03-07 06645, 2006
8:39 AM
nikki_
it will do if that's its proper resolution
2006-03-07 06616, 2006
8:40 AM
Muz
Nah, all monitors look... "wrong" to me if it's not 1400x1050
2006-03-07 06647, 2006
8:40 AM
Muz
It's like my inability to use a normal keyboard sufficiently, I'm too adjusted to my laptop's flat smooth keys and lack of spacing and numpad
2006-03-07 06656, 2006
8:40 AM
BGreeNZ
Muz: 1400x1050 is not a standard resolution
2006-03-07 06603, 2006
8:41 AM
Muz
screen[1400x1050 32bit 60Hz]
2006-03-07 06605, 2006
8:41 AM
Muz
Heh
2006-03-07 06648, 2006
8:41 AM
Muz
This video card does go up to 2048x1536...
2006-03-07 06602, 2006
8:42 AM
BGreeNZ
Is your laptop's LCD a standard 4:3 aspect ratio?
2006-03-07 06610, 2006
8:42 AM
Muz
Nae
2006-03-07 06617, 2006
8:43 AM
juhae
BGreeNZ: I've been using 1280x960 on a 17" for years and everything else looks now *huge* ;)
2006-03-07 06604, 2006
8:44 AM
Muz goes to get more ribena and a straw... :/
2006-03-07 06632, 2006
8:44 AM
BGreeNZ
Muz: So, a standard 4:3 mode such as 640x480, 800x600, 1024x768, 1152x864, or 1280x960 looks stretched (non-square pixels)?
2006-03-07 06622, 2006
8:46 AM
BGreeNZ
That 12" PS/2 display always displayed things with a 1" black border, so the actual image was 10" diagonally.
2006-03-07 06640, 2006
8:46 AM
Muz
Everything else just looks... wrong
2006-03-07 06656, 2006
8:46 AM
Muz
I can't place my finger on it, but I look at it and just don't like it
2006-03-07 06601, 2006
8:47 AM
BGreeNZ
That's 8" horizontally, so 1024x768 is 128 dpi!
2006-03-07 06615, 2006
8:49 AM
BGreeNZ
Refresh rate in that mode on that antiquated piece of equipment was 43Hz interlace, of course, so guaranteed to knacker your eyesight in 10 minutes ;-)
2006-03-07 06648, 2006
8:50 AM
BGreeNZ
IIRC, it wouldn't display 800x600 properly (probably needed a 56Hz refresh rate), so I ran it at 640x480 most of the time
2006-03-07 06623, 2006
8:51 AM
BGreeNZ
320x200 (ugh) didn't actually look bad on that beast....
2006-03-07 06606, 2006
8:52 AM
BGreeNZ
320 pixels / 8 inches = a quite respectable 40dpi :)
2006-03-07 06609, 2006
8:52 AM
Muz
Errrr
2006-03-07 06617, 2006
8:52 AM
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8:52 AM
Muz
My PDA is 240x320
2006-03-07 06647, 2006
8:52 AM
BGreeNZ
3:4 portrait?
2006-03-07 06654, 2006
8:52 AM
Muz
Yeah
2006-03-07 06607, 2006
8:53 AM
Muz
I can hold it horizontally though and view movies/play games that way round : P
2006-03-07 06609, 2006
8:55 AM
BGreeNZ
Muz: You run 1400x1050 on a standard 4:3 monitor?
2006-03-07 06627, 2006
8:55 AM
Muz
No, on my laptop's "widescreen" monitor
2006-03-07 06636, 2006
8:55 AM
Muz
My other monitor uses a...
2006-03-07 06638, 2006
8:55 AM
Muz checks
2006-03-07 06657, 2006
8:55 AM
Muz starts up XFree
2006-03-07 06616, 2006
8:56 AM
BGreeNZ
Ah. It's just you said all monitors looked weird when *not* set to 1400x1050
2006-03-07 06620, 2006
8:56 AM
Muz
Yeah they do
2006-03-07 06645, 2006
8:56 AM
Muz
Even my Linux box's monitor looks funny to me :\
2006-03-07 06613, 2006
8:57 AM
Muz
1280x1024
2006-03-07 06619, 2006
8:57 AM
BGreeNZ
Hmm. 1400x1050 has an aspect ratio of 4:3. Interesting
2006-03-07 06658, 2006
8:57 AM
BGreeNZ
1280x1024 is (unfortunately) *not* 4:3. 1280x960 is
2006-03-07 06648, 2006
8:58 AM
BGreeNZ
1280 / 1024 = 1.25 = 5:4
2006-03-07 06610, 2006
9:01 AM
johntramp
hey why do some albums not bring up the green icon, instead have the words "open in tagger"
2006-03-07 06611, 2006
9:01 AM
johntramp
because it doesn't work when they are like that for me
2006-03-07 06613, 2006
9:04 AM
luks
what browser? firefox?
2006-03-07 06625, 2006
9:04 AM
luks
and if yes, with adblock?
2006-03-07 06627, 2006
9:04 AM
BGreeNZ doesn't know, as he can't even get Picard to run on his computer :(
2006-03-07 06628, 2006
9:04 AM
johntramp
yes firefox
2006-03-07 06637, 2006
9:04 AM
luks
2006-03-07 06637, 2006
9:04 AM
johntramp
and adblock
2006-03-07 06611, 2006
9:05 AM
johntramp
luks, but it only happens sometimes
2006-03-07 06647, 2006
9:05 AM
luks
i don't know, i always worked fine for me
2006-03-07 06600, 2006
9:06 AM
luks
BGreeNZ: why?
2006-03-07 06613, 2006
9:07 AM
BGreeNZ
Running Win98SE and WinME. After installing Picard 0.6.0, it crashes whenever I try to run it.
2006-03-07 06619, 2006
9:07 AM
Jetpack likes 1600 x 1200 since that what is his laptop's native resolution
2006-03-07 06647, 2006
9:07 AM
luks
hm
2006-03-07 06651, 2006
9:07 AM
BGreeNZ
TAGGER caused an invalid page fault in module MSVCR71.DLL at 0187:7c350513.
2006-03-07 06639, 2006
9:08 AM
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9:08 AM
BGreeNZ
I have Python 2.3.5 and Python 2.4.1 installed
2006-03-07 06659, 2006
9:09 AM
BGreeNZ
IIRC, the ME computer has ActivePython 2.2 installed, but it's just been shutdown, so I can't check to be sure
2006-03-07 06618, 2006
9:10 AM
luks
i had this problem on my win98 virtual pc box, but with the new version of libtunepimp it just disapeared
2006-03-07 06600, 2006
9:12 AM
BGreeNZ
picard-setup-0.6.0.exe filesize is 4,865,461 bytes, create (download) date 15 Feb
2006-03-07 06633, 2006
9:13 AM
luks
i'll try to install win98 somewhere later today
2006-03-07 06645, 2006
9:13 AM
luks
debugging on win98 is no fun :/
2006-03-07 06604, 2006
9:18 AM
BGreeNZ
Picard is written in Python, right?
2006-03-07 06625, 2006
9:18 AM
luks
yes, but the core tagging functionality is in libtunepimp
2006-03-07 06630, 2006
9:18 AM
luks
which is in c/c++
2006-03-07 06642, 2006
9:18 AM
luks
and heavily multithreaded
2006-03-07 06620, 2006
9:21 AM
BGreeNZ
Ah. So I can't just grab the source and run it :(
2006-03-07 06625, 2006
9:22 AM
BGreeNZ
For some light entertainment, check out my somewhat humorous attempt to fix the problem myself:
2006-03-07 06645, 2006
9:22 AM
BGreeNZ
2006-03-07 06627, 2006
9:23 AM
BGreeNZ
Err, I mean 06:15:51
2006-03-07 06608, 2006
9:24 AM
luks
i think this bug wouldn't be hard to fix, but first i would have to find it :)
2006-03-07 06627, 2006
9:24 AM
luks
so i would need to install full devel environment on a win98 box
2006-03-07 06652, 2006
9:24 AM
luks
and do some low-level debugging
2006-03-07 06633, 2006
9:26 AM
BGreeNZ
Sorry, I can't help you there (unless, of course, someone is willing to port it to FreePascal ;-) )
2006-03-07 06650, 2006
9:26 AM
luks
i think it calls some function that is not (properly) implemented in older versions of standard windows dlls
2006-03-07 06600, 2006
9:28 AM
luks
something unicode related i guess
2006-03-07 06610, 2006
9:28 AM
BGreeNZ
But, MSVCR71.DLL is provided *with* the Picard distribution
2006-03-07 06624, 2006
9:28 AM
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9:29 AM
luks
yeah, but msvcr71.dll depends on other libraries
2006-03-07 06630, 2006
9:29 AM
luks
like kernel32.dll, user32.dll, etc.
2006-03-07 06622, 2006
9:30 AM
Muz
"100 top websearches in 2005"
2006-03-07 06623, 2006
9:30 AM
BGreeNZ suddenly remembers he installed MSDependancyViewer when he was attempting to get Pysol to work with Python 2.4
2006-03-07 06629, 2006
9:30 AM
Muz
number 1 will clearly be porn
2006-03-07 06633, 2006
9:32 AM
BGreeNZ
luks: I am looking at the Dependency Walker for tagger.exe. Where should I look to find the error?
2006-03-07 06650, 2006
9:32 AM
luks
no idea :)
2006-03-07 06601, 2006
9:35 AM
luks
oh, i forgot... if you have python installed you can just grab python source codes, copy dlls from the installation and run it from the sources
2006-03-07 06606, 2006
9:35 AM
luks
i know this worked for me
2006-03-07 06636, 2006
9:36 AM
BGreeNZ
I just told Dependency Walker to profile tagger.exe. Do you want me to past the debugging log?
2006-03-07 06643, 2006
9:36 AM
BGreeNZ
paste
2006-03-07 06648, 2006
9:36 AM
luks
sure
2006-03-07 06656, 2006
9:36 AM
BGreeNZ
I'll pm it to you
2006-03-07 06600, 2006
9:37 AM
luks
ok
2006-03-07 06635, 2006
9:39 AM
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9:39 AM
luks
oops
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9:41 AM
luks
2006-03-07 06627, 2006
9:41 AM
BGreeNZ
Okay, I'll try that. Did you get my last PM?
2006-03-07 06642, 2006
9:41 AM
luks
GetProcAddress(0x1E000000 [PYTHON24.DLL], "PyErr_Format") called from "TAGGER.EXE" at address 0x00401A06 and returned 0x1E055EF0. was the last like
2006-03-07 06648, 2006
9:41 AM
luks
line
2006-03-07 06659, 2006
9:42 AM
BGreeNZ
2006-03-07 06616, 2006
9:43 AM
BGreeNZ
It also seemed to look for APPHELP.DLL, USERENV.DLL, and UNICOWS.DLL, but could not find them
2006-03-07 06639, 2006
9:43 AM
luks
hmm, it looked for unicows
2006-03-07 06634, 2006
9:44 AM
BGreeNZ didn't realize that debug log was so huge! :-O
2006-03-07 06651, 2006
9:44 AM
BGreeNZ
No wonder I got kicked off freenode :)
2006-03-07 06653, 2006
9:45 AM
luks
and i think there is still something missing :)
2006-03-07 06606, 2006
9:46 AM
BGreeNZ
Looks like PasteBin still didn't get all of it :(
2006-03-07 06608, 2006
9:46 AM
luks
last line is "GetProcAddress(0x02160000 [LIBMUSICBRAINZ." :)
2006-03-07 06615, 2006
9:47 AM
BGreeNZ
How much of this stuff is actually relevant?
2006-03-07 06626, 2006
9:49 AM
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2006-03-07 06654, 2006
9:49 AM
johntramp
hey with picard how come when it doesn't auto cluster the files into albums I have to drag the files one by one into it's album?
2006-03-07 06612, 2006
9:50 AM
johntramp
it would be much easier if I could select them all at once and drag them in together
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9:52 AM
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9:52 AM
johntramp
also when I click lookup in picard it will open 2 tabs in firefox of the same web pate
2006-03-07 06635, 2006
9:52 AM
johntramp
page**
2006-03-07 06625, 2006
9:55 AM
BGreeNZ
luks: I have the debug log saved in a 162KB HTML file with the original formatting and colour-coding
2006-03-07 06635, 2006
9:56 AM
BGreeNZ
Where can I upload it?
2006-03-07 06640, 2006
9:56 AM
luks
these dependencies are actually not very useful for catching that bug
2006-03-07 06603, 2006
9:57 AM
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9:57 AM
luks
you can email me it
2006-03-07 06644, 2006
9:58 AM
deadchip
deadchip is now known as dc|away
2006-03-07 06643, 2006
9:59 AM
luks is glad his uni is in MDSN AA
2006-03-07 06650, 2006
9:59 AM
luks
MSDN
2006-03-07 06621, 2006
10:00 AM
luks
i can download any MS operating system i need for testing
2006-03-07 06611, 2006
10:02 AM
BGreeNZ
Legally? That's pretty cool (pity their OS'es went from crap to worse after Win95)
2006-03-07 06631, 2006
10:02 AM
luks
yes legally
2006-03-07 06646, 2006
10:02 AM
luks
but of course with restricted use
2006-03-07 06655, 2006
10:04 AM
luks disagrees with that "crap to worse" comment :)
2006-03-07 06622, 2006
10:05 AM
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10:05 AM
luks
i switched to winxp from linux
