;) I sorta meant it that way.. if you can't see it, then you don't have it right?
2006-04-09 09937, 2006
Nyght
cockadoodle dooo
2006-04-09 09938, 2006
nikki_
coin coin
2006-04-09 09909, 2006
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2006-04-09 09946, 2006
ArgoNavis
nikki_: To return to the linux/Picard install. Did you just follow instructions? May I ask linux version you are running?
2006-04-09 09902, 2006
ArgoNavis
Sigh. "May I ask what..."
2006-04-09 09924, 2006
nikki_
debian testing
2006-04-09 09941, 2006
nikki_
and I'm not sure, I've messed about so much I know the dependencies by heart :)
2006-04-09 09915, 2006
ArgoNavis
Cool. Well, then, I shall just rush into that place that angels can't be found.
2006-04-09 09923, 2006
nikki_
wxgtk 2.6, python ctypes, libmb and the python bindings, libtp and the python bindings
2006-04-09 09944, 2006
nikki_
although picard 0.7 added libofa and pymb2
2006-04-09 09954, 2006
ArgoNavis
But if you have it working on Python 2.3, I have a chance. Thanks...!
2006-04-09 09917, 2006
nikki_
yup, never had a problem with picard and 2.3
2006-04-09 09912, 2006
nikki_
wxgtk is the problematic one, compiled it once, *never* again
2006-04-09 09938, 2006
nikki_
now I head over to wxpython.org and find some rpms
2006-04-09 09911, 2006
nikki_
convert 'em with alien and I have handy .debs at a fraction of the stress and frustration!
2006-04-09 09956, 2006
Nyght
This is why I'm totally dreading trying to get into linux. I can tell you every single aspect of my machine, but it seems like you know every aspect of your operating system.
2006-04-09 09947, 2006
ArgoNavis
Nyght: If you stick with a precooked distro initially, this will not be much of a problem. I'm trying to get something modern to work on an older linux OS. :-/
2006-04-09 09951, 2006
ArgoNavis
nikki_: I appreciate the tips. Also, do you know if any of this has dependencies on kernel 2.6? Or do you think 2.4 would work?
2006-04-09 09959, 2006
Nyght
Okay... I'll believe you. :D
2006-04-09 09944, 2006
ArgoNavis
You know, I have the same problem with some of my older Windows boxen, too. There, however, I'm completely stuck if the binary is designed for XP, instead of 98. Eg, I can't run MBtagger on a Win98 box. Linux, at least, gives you the opportunity to mess about (oh, for joy).
mustaqila crawls off into bed to rot his brain on animu
2006-04-09 09952, 2006
nikki_
ArgoNavis: I honestly have no idea, but I can't think of any reason why it would be tied to 2.6
2006-04-09 09906, 2006
ArgoNavis
Huh. Just read that entire saga, as well as the one you linked to. I must say, though, our discussion from this morning notwithstanding, I do believe that "(from the film BLAH)" is more clear. An AR would be better from the data management perspective, but only if MB can clearly present the info.
2006-04-09 09946, 2006
Nyght
Yeah I know.. just wanted to let you know what you started...
2006-04-09 09949, 2006
Nyght snicers
2006-04-09 09950, 2006
ArgoNavis
However, "(from BLAH)" isn't clear, especially for foreigners, and there is the whole data loss thing.
2006-04-09 09958, 2006
ArgoNavis
(to me)
2006-04-09 09920, 2006
ArgoNavis
Yes. I deserve to be flayed for my questions. There are just so many cans of worms layin' about.
2006-04-09 09930, 2006
Nyght
If we did movies, as well as discs, then an AR could be done.
2006-04-09 09943, 2006
Nyght
but, if you can't find the song on the soundtrack, where else do you look?
2006-04-09 09948, 2006
nikki_ personally would have removed all the film details and put all of it in the annotation
2006-04-09 09954, 2006
Nyght
soundtrack=score
2006-04-09 09901, 2006
ArgoNavis
nikki_: Thank you. I can't think of why, either, I just thought I would do as much info gathering before I try to diddle with the install.
2006-04-09 09912, 2006
Nyght
I did Nikki
2006-04-09 09938, 2006
nikki_
well, it's hardware stuff mostly affected by kernels, isn't it?
2006-04-09 09910, 2006
nikki_
Nyght: I meant even the (from ...) bit
2006-04-09 09932, 2006
nikki_
but I don't deal with albums like that very often :)
2006-04-09 09907, 2006
Nyght
Ah... hadn't thought about doing crib notes for the whole album in the annotation. Then again I would do symbols and make it like an edited book if I was doing it that way
2006-04-09 09943, 2006
Nyght
cliff notes too
2006-04-09 09919, 2006
nikki_
if we had track annotations we could put stuff like that in those
2006-04-09 09933, 2006
nikki_
and stuff like exact locations of live tracks
2006-04-09 09937, 2006
Nyght
That was what I had looked for, track anotations
2006-04-09 09948, 2006
ArgoNavis
nikki_: Usually, yes. Although sometimes new capabilities are exposed... say filesystem capabilities... and then some software starts using the new stuff. But you're right, it's probably not likely. I'll let you know. ;-)
2006-04-09 09958, 2006
nikki_ grins
2006-04-09 09919, 2006
nikki_ probably still has a 2.4 install, but she ain't rebooting 'til that CD/DVD drive gets here ;)
2006-04-09 09947, 2006
nechto13
all cans of worms should be avoided if possible and be addressed only if they touch on major issues. am/pm and the removal of the From Film bit aren't major issues
2006-04-09 09950, 2006
Nyght
Why you avoiding rebooting Nikki?
2006-04-09 09952, 2006
nechto13
i said my piece, my brain is fried :) i have to go to sleep , good night
2006-04-09 09904, 2006
nikki_
because I swear something breaks every time I do
2006-04-09 09919, 2006
nechto13
i'll be back later though
2006-04-09 09923, 2006
nikki_
I think it's because I don't reboot very often, yet still update my software
2006-04-09 09932, 2006
Nyght
Good night nechto13, I wasn't really trying to open up cans of worms. Though I did realize the film one might touch on the debate in mailing list
2006-04-09 09934, 2006
nikki_
so the next time I reboot, I've practically upgraded the entire system
2006-04-09 09942, 2006
ArgoNavis
GN, necto13...
2006-04-09 09933, 2006
nikki_
plus I have all my windows how I want them
2006-04-09 09952, 2006
nikki_
if I close all my programs and shut down, I'll have to spend a while getting back how I was!
2006-04-09 09914, 2006
ArgoNavis
Nyght: Last time I rebooted one of my servers, it wouldn't come up again. After some brain tissue scarring, it turns out that a load of caps were tubed on the mobo. I am now recapping yet another one. Sigh.
2006-04-09 09939, 2006
Nyght
That makes sense Nikki, was just curious. I'm about to do my second ever Linux install in probably a week.
2006-04-09 09936, 2006
Nyght
lost but I imagine I'll understand eventually.
2006-04-09 09948, 2006
nikki_ grins
2006-04-09 09903, 2006
nikki_
I dived in the deep end one day and nuked windows in favour of mandrake
2006-04-09 09913, 2006
nikki_
my biggest worry was whether I'd be able to get online ;)
2006-04-09 09916, 2006
ArgoNavis
You have guts.
2006-04-09 09935, 2006
nikki_ grins
2006-04-09 09959, 2006
nikki_
I think what helped me most was not expecting it to work like windows
2006-04-09 09938, 2006
nikki_
hehe, took me ages to find the preference in the control panel for how the mouse worked though, the scrolly wheel had never worked in windows so I didn't expect it to in linux (in fact, I didn't know what it was)
2006-04-09 09949, 2006
nikki_
then one day, I changed it and my life was transformed! :o
2006-04-09 09913, 2006
Nyght
Nikki, if I didn't use this machine for work that pays me, I would do the same. :D
2006-04-09 09921, 2006
ArgoNavis
You have no idea how much we share that particular page. My wheel has transformed my life. I'm a better person because of it.
2006-04-09 09951, 2006
nikki_
my mum has switched back to using an old-fashioned two button ball mouse
2006-04-09 09959, 2006
nikki_
using her computer fills me with rage!
2006-04-09 09903, 2006
Nyght
/.me loves my track balls wheel
2006-04-09 09907, 2006
nikki_
I can't go down! I can't go up! aaaaargh! :)
2006-04-09 09933, 2006
ArgoNavis
Ezekiel may have seen a wheel inna wheel (why in the middle of the air), but I just see a while in my mouse, and my life is complete.
2006-04-09 09943, 2006
Nyght
I had a mouse with two wheels once, it was really nice, cause you had up and down and left to right if that's what you chose to do.
2006-04-09 09917, 2006
ArgoNavis
I gotta get my fingers checked. Why -> way, While -> wheel. Sheesh.
2006-04-09 09926, 2006
nikki_
I've used various other mice, but I'm quite content with two buttons and a clickable scrolly wheel
2006-04-09 09913, 2006
Nyght
Mine as well has a single button for back and forth nav on the web. I'm not for a ton of dodads but, those are very handy indeed.
2006-04-09 09926, 2006
ArgoNavis
Nyght does remind me, though, that there are new wheel mice out there where the entire plane of the wheel tilts left-and-right. I could learn to like that, I think.
2006-04-09 09949, 2006
nikki_
MS ones can do that
2006-04-09 09957, 2006
nikki_
I don't like them though now, they changed the wheel
2006-04-09 09902, 2006
Nyght
I think you could. though I'll wait until Logitech comes out with it. I'm spoiled to their trackballs and their customer service!
2006-04-09 09905, 2006
nikki_
it no longer has ridges and no longer clicks
2006-04-09 09926, 2006
Nyght
ick!
2006-04-09 09927, 2006
nikki_
so I'm gonna have to find a new perfect mouse when this one dies :(
2006-04-09 09943, 2006
nikki_
I really like the older MS ones too
2006-04-09 09912, 2006
ArgoNavis
I like the ridges, but I like the smooth low-detent feel... not so much into the hard click-click as it rolls.
2006-04-09 09951, 2006
nikki_
my clicks don't feel hard, but I can move it down one click, with the newer MS ones I didn't feel anything
2006-04-09 09902, 2006
nikki_
so it was really hard to judge just how far you've scrolled
2006-04-09 09908, 2006
nikki_
it felt horrible :o
2006-04-09 09910, 2006
nikki_
I guess it's like keyboards: I like to be able to feel that I've pressed a key
Yep, the logitech doesn't have those ridges, but you can feel it. The thing I like about it is it's got a five year warranty and if it goes out, they send you the new one without any true difficulties, within like two days you're back to servicable with what you've grown accustomed to.
I don't like the feel of the wheels without ridges, I'm not sure why
2006-04-09 09918, 2006
Nyght
probably because you've gotten accustomed to it.
2006-04-09 09907, 2006
ArgoNavis
Nyght, you're sure involved in a lotta Worm Cans lately.
2006-04-09 09925, 2006
nikki_
I don't think it's that, I never really have liked the feel of them
2006-04-09 09928, 2006
Nyght
What else?
2006-04-09 09933, 2006
Nyght blinks
2006-04-09 09949, 2006
nikki_ ponders
2006-04-09 09935, 2006
nikki_
maybe it's the stuff they're made of
2006-04-09 09957, 2006
Nyght
Hmm... no clue then Nikki, that is strange. I didn't like the feel of the grippies myself, but, figured you guaged something by the feel of how it moved beneath your fingers. Sorta like, artwork editing or something. (had a toggle I used to use when doing artwork, hard to explain but you knew one pixel when you moved it a certain way.)
2006-04-09 09954, 2006
Nyght
a harder material instead of the rubber?
2006-04-09 09900, 2006
nikki_ is perhaps just strange to have her toes curl by the feel of smooth wheels ;)
2006-04-09 09903, 2006
nikki_
yeah, I guess so
2006-04-09 09918, 2006
Nyght
LOL
2006-04-09 09936, 2006
Nyght
ArgoNavis: what is the next can of worms I opened?
2006-04-09 09901, 2006
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2006-04-09 09930, 2006
ArgoNavis
Just teasing. I was referring to the mouse discussion. ;-)
2006-04-09 09958, 2006
Nyght
Oh, okay.. I prefer to see them before they get out of control than to be covered in slimy worms after the fact and stunned. :D
2006-04-09 09908, 2006
Nyght
well, I got nothing truly done on MB.. and I can't kick my mind into working for either votes or mods.. so.. I'm running away from my computer now.
2006-04-09 09923, 2006
nikki_ is still editing an artist's discography
2006-04-09 09934, 2006
Nyght
Night Nikki and ArgoNavis rest well when you do go.
2006-04-09 09943, 2006
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DraX
ok
2006-04-09 09921, 2006
DraX
got ot test port one more time
2006-04-09 09924, 2006
DraX
and then i'll submit it
2006-04-09 09950, 2006
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2006-04-09 09955, 2006
DraX
submitted
2006-04-09 09905, 2006
nikki_
:)
2006-04-09 09915, 2006
DraX
now just got to wait for a committer to pick it up and commit it
2006-04-09 09922, 2006
DraX
should hopefully be able to get someone to do it tonight
2006-04-09 09947, 2006
Coeus
so youre saying i can do a make install clean tonight?
2006-04-09 09918, 2006
DraX
Coeus: assuming a committer picks it up for me, there will be audio/py-musicbrainz2 tonight
2006-04-09 09941, 2006
Coeus
woot, thanks DraX
2006-04-09 09907, 2006
DraX
Coeus: we've been doing a lot of musicbrainz related work lately
2006-04-09 09915, 2006
DraX
ehaupt and i did libtunepimp update/py-libtunepimp impot
2006-04-09 09919, 2006
DraX
and someone else did picard import
2006-04-09 09935, 2006
DraX
and now i've done py-libtunepimp
2006-04-09 09939, 2006
DraX
and i did libofa
2006-04-09 09942, 2006
DraX
err
2006-04-09 09945, 2006
DraX
py-musicbrainz2
2006-04-09 09910, 2006
Coeus
nice...thx to all, will have to use picard more on my bsd machine
2006-04-09 09945, 2006
DraX
i'm hpoing to do a picard-devel soon
2006-04-09 09909, 2006
Coeus
oh i see you have to get the source seperate...oh well minor issue
