nechto13: why would their legal name be any different? *shrugs*
2006-05-01 12120, 2006
nechto13
MartinRudat: artists often perform under stage names. but if i tell a newbie that they should put the first name first for the artist name i would like to refer to a guideline
2006-05-01 12135, 2006
nechto13 likes to give out reading materials for others
2006-05-01 12138, 2006
NyghtMARE
NyghtMARE is now known as Nyght
2006-05-01 12124, 2006
nechto13
Nyght: you can't sleep? let me guess Disney is haunting your dreams?
2006-05-01 12132, 2006
MartinRudat
nechto13: you could always just add a statement to that fact on the page, and then say... "see! it says so right there!" *shrug*
2006-05-01 12156, 2006
Nyght
no I can't nechto13, tired sitting up, fully awake laying down.. and I don't think it's Disney.. though, certainly could be.
2006-05-01 12136, 2006
Nyght
a bird of our own looks like a heck of a remix album
2006-05-01 12120, 2006
nechto13
so does video night
2006-05-01 12136, 2006
Nyght
all of them
2006-05-01 12156, 2006
Nyght
have you looked at their other mods?
2006-05-01 12147, 2006
Nyght
nechto13: ?
2006-05-01 12145, 2006
nechto13
Nyght: i'm staying away from them i'm tempted to vote no on all of them and ask to provide proof without doing the research
2006-05-01 12115, 2006
nechto13
i'm trying to clear my subscribed mods so i can help you with Disney
2006-05-01 12118, 2006
Nyght
well... in this instance you're understanding of the language helps greatly. I didn't even realize that was last name first
2006-05-01 12125, 2006
Nyght
and yes, there is sorta a note about that.
2006-05-01 12143, 2006
MartinRudat
...is there anything in the editing guide that says you aught to provide proof with an edit? I can't say as I can recall one way or the other...
2006-05-01 12156, 2006
Nyght
No there isn't
2006-05-01 12103, 2006
Nyght
it's suggested in the wiki a lot.
2006-05-01 12123, 2006
nechto13
MartinRudat: enirely possible that there isn't but it's my voting policy if someone is adding something that looks fishy, maybe i should put it in my profile. i actually reseach most of the stuff i vote on
2006-05-01 12142, 2006
nechto13
zout for instance has a policy of voting no on releases that have no release type or status
2006-05-01 12154, 2006
Nyght
Martin there was a big todo about it in the mailing list.
2006-05-01 12148, 2006
Nyght
I will usually ask, without a response I will go and vote no of course, if I can't find something on it myself.. and I've spent upwards of a half an hour to an hour looking for things.. so, more often than not I will ask for proof on something I'm unsure about.
2006-05-01 12155, 2006
MartinRudat probably should start voting more... but to do it well is lots of work...
2006-05-01 12157, 2006
nechto13 listents to Night on the Highway by Yuri Naumov for the consecutive 10th time
2006-05-01 12108, 2006
Nyght
Martin it is a lot of work. But, we sorta of locally decided (a few of the automoderators and a few non automoderators ) that the add artists since they're a step away from being automodded in are pretty easy to vote yes on all but the obvious ones.. (like the other day we had "beatles" attempted to be added)
2006-05-01 12148, 2006
Nyght
so relative quick yeses there would help a lot.. and it's not too time consuming. That and I try to vote on the removals and moving since that's something automoderators have to have voted on anyways.
2006-05-01 12103, 2006
nechto13
Nyght: Beatles without The? that's horrible :P
2006-05-01 12133, 2006
Nyght
Mmm, specially since they couldn't have even done a search for it.
2006-05-01 12140, 2006
ProgramZeta has quit
2006-05-01 12143, 2006
teleGUISE
back of the subject of editing guidelines i think a lot of our policies are still too lax in fear of turning people off and thinking we are a bunch of elitists... which of course we really are ;)
2006-05-01 12144, 2006
Nyght smirks
2006-05-01 12114, 2006
MartinRudat hides his list of edits... it wasn't me, honest! =)
2006-05-01 12128, 2006
Nyght
it's not so much the lack of the THE... but, it's how old of a band? I mean.. if the DB didn't have beatles what would the db be? (not that I have any Beatles in my collection.)
2006-05-01 12159, 2006
Nyght
yes teleGUISE and you run the head of the pack in your elitism
2006-05-01 12108, 2006
nechto13 would like an option in preferences to autosubscribe to artists that i add
2006-05-01 12110, 2006
MartinRudat 's got the Sgt. Peppers album, as has my dad. I haven't looked, I think he's got it on vinyl too...
2006-05-01 12104, 2006
teleGUISE
hmmm surprised nobody every added Sgt. Peppers as an artist
2006-05-01 12118, 2006
MartinRudat
hah! =)
2006-05-01 12100, 2006
teleGUISE
it's not in the beatles alias list.. i was quite surprised.. i was sure at some point someone would have
2006-05-01 12127, 2006
Nyght
I', not a fan and even I know that would be a big no
2006-05-01 12148, 2006
MartinRudat
perhaps all the releases were already added by someone responsible...
2006-05-01 12102, 2006
teleGUISE
dont understand how we had "beatles" trying to be added?
2006-05-01 12153, 2006
Nyght
teleGUISE: that's like someone trying to add Metallica's black album.. or Dark Side of the Moon, or The Joshua tree.. for lack of believing it wasn't already here.
2006-05-01 12113, 2006
teleGUISE
no what i meant was.. how did they actually do it?
2006-05-01 12118, 2006
Nyght
we have obscure bands like the but hole surfers.. we should have the most played internet album, the most released u2 disc.. etc.
2006-05-01 12122, 2006
teleGUISE
beatles is an alias for "The Beatles"
2006-05-01 12128, 2006
Nyght
let me find the mod
2006-05-01 12155, 2006
teleGUISE
i asked zout about a merge artist mod he was making with 2 identically named artists...
2006-05-01 12100, 2006
teleGUISE
i bet it was from a VA ...
2006-05-01 12129, 2006
MartinRudat
they'd have had to have gone out of their way to try and add that I'd think...
the artist existed already and then someone added a VA with the same identically spelled artist and it created another artist with the same name
2006-05-01 12117, 2006
teleGUISE
geesh... that was just a straight out 'add artist' that's scary
2006-05-01 12127, 2006
Nyght
yep
2006-05-01 12102, 2006
inhouseuk
nechto13: when was the last time you looked at the preferences? tick "Automatically subscribe me to artists that I create" :)
2006-05-01 12127, 2006
teleGUISE
wait thats screw up..... i thought it checks the artist alias... obviously it does -not-, it only checks for searches not adding an artist.. thats kind of silly!
I honestly think something is wrong with the build, or the db or something
2006-05-01 12151, 2006
Nyght
But, I don't know "what" specifically. As I said, I've been getting tons of failed dependancies, and I haven't been doing the silly things I was with TD... and. I've had some artists deleted (granted) but, artists that have pending mods aren't showing pending mods
2006-05-01 12143, 2006
MartinRudat
there hasn't been an update to the live server recently has there?
I dunno.. again, it's been something I've been noticing especially with the disney stuff
2006-05-01 12143, 2006
teleGUISE
do you remember inhouseuk?
2006-05-01 12154, 2006
Nyght
lots of artists have been being created, something I don't normally do. Track moves that claim they've already been moved..
2006-05-01 12118, 2006
Nyght
um... (and I've been going back and double checking open mods more so people don't have to vote more often on crap than is needed)
2006-05-01 12136, 2006
Nyght
what else.. artists showing no mods pending when I know there's mods pending.
2006-05-01 12154, 2006
Nyght
this album has already been moved.. when it was my mod that was to move it. (basically it got moved, by the mod being voted in and then afterwards it seemed to try and move it and then poof.) almost like since the athorize vote has come in it doesn't recognize the authorization and then it calculates it later?
2006-05-01 12158, 2006
inhouseuk
teleGUISE: I don't recall whether aliases were checked or not, I'll have a quick look in the code
2006-05-01 12158, 2006
Nyght
does that make any sense?
2006-05-01 12150, 2006
teleGUISE
it just seems like we would have a whole heck of a lot more wrong artists if it didnt... i mean what the heck is the purpose of adding a typo'd alias if it is only good for searching...
2006-05-01 12111, 2006
Nyght
as I recall it used to use the sortname.
2006-05-01 12124, 2006
teleGUISE
you would think add artist would search before it really lets you add artist
2006-05-01 12139, 2006
Nyght
it does on the va's
2006-05-01 12146, 2006
Nyght
and gives the general warnings
2006-05-01 12158, 2006
Nyght
"do you really intend to create a duplicate artist' thing
2006-05-01 12118, 2006
teleGUISE
so does it only do sortname matching exactly ? so if i try to add Beatles, The it may not let me
2006-05-01 12135, 2006
Nyght
maybe
2006-05-01 12154, 2006
Nyght
shall we vote out your add and then you can try and change once of the VA disney's to beatles?
2006-05-01 12110, 2006
Nyght
or vote for it to be deleted.. yeah, that's what I meant
2006-05-01 12144, 2006
teleGUISE
you dont have to vote... i can just remove it.. thats why i wasnt so worried about doing it here
2006-05-01 12103, 2006
Nyght
ah, I thought that was a voting thing
2006-05-01 12150, 2006
teleGUISE
no you can remove an artist when there are no albums attached to it without any voting needed
2006-05-01 12111, 2006
teleGUISE
its all gone now
2006-05-01 12149, 2006
Nyght
Did you see I got to add Walt Disney to our db?
2006-05-01 12159, 2006
inhouseuk
teleGUISE: from what I can see it appears to check the aliases. It's probably worth raising a bug report and let somebody who knows the code better have a look at it
2006-05-01 12127, 2006
inhouseuk
I'd also recommend sending a quick email to mb-devel so attention is brought to it
huh.. ok .. ah crap.. i still freakin cant login into the bug tracker err...
2006-05-01 12115, 2006
teleGUISE
heee and i cant send a mail to mb-devel either :)
2006-05-01 12135, 2006
teleGUISE
boy did i just get my self out of doing some work or what
2006-05-01 12143, 2006
inhouseuk
why?
2006-05-01 12156, 2006
inhouseuk
are you subscribed to mb-devel?
2006-05-01 12103, 2006
teleGUISE
well im not subscribed to mb-devel.. though i guess technically i could then unsubscribe
2006-05-01 12147, 2006
teleGUISE
and as for the tracker... my dumb arse for the life of me cannot remember what the heck the pw is... and the stupid thing doesnt have a send or reset password ability (which is stupid if you asked me)
2006-05-01 12114, 2006
inhouseuk
so you want me to raise the ticket and send the email?
2006-05-01 12142, 2006
teleGUISE
i just subscribed to mbdevel
2006-05-01 12112, 2006
teleGUISE
and i really need to do something about bug tracker..
2006-05-01 12128, 2006
teleGUISE
is there some sort of admin contact or something for it?
2006-05-01 12145, 2006
toxickore has quit
2006-05-01 12149, 2006
Nyght
Nyght is now known as nyghtmare
2006-05-01 12158, 2006
teleGUISE
geesh i must be losing my mind... i was already subscribed to mb-devel :)
2006-05-01 12101, 2006
nyghtmare
going to try this again, my eyes are drooping
2006-05-01 12108, 2006
nyghtmare
lol
2006-05-01 12141, 2006
inhouseuk
dunno, it's moved servers recently. So probably only ruaok and djce have access to the bug tracker admin
2006-05-01 12143, 2006
MartinRudat
g'night Nyght.
2006-05-01 12102, 2006
inhouseuk
sleep well nyght
2006-05-01 12155, 2006
nechto13
sweet dreams nyghtmare
2006-05-01 12128, 2006
g0llum
inhouseuk, teleGUISE: luks is bugtracker admin mostly i think
2006-05-01 12155, 2006
teleGUISE
ahh.. ok so ill tell luks im a dumb arse
2006-05-01 12149, 2006
g0llum
and i'm going to disable the "add artist" stuff in most places
2006-05-01 12109, 2006
teleGUISE
luks: i'm a dumb arse ;) ... could you tell me if you have admin rights for the bugtracker and are able to reset my password ... thanks
2006-05-01 12111, 2006
g0llum
rather redirect to the normal add artist page, and take the user back to the workflow
2006-05-01 12134, 2006
g0llum
teleGUISE: trac only has weak references :)
2006-05-01 12107, 2006
g0llum
but no delete account link. else you could just delete it and register again
2006-05-01 12113, 2006
g0llum
he did the same once for me
2006-05-01 12123, 2006
teleGUISE
i for one cant believe i didnt use an obvious password for that and don't know what the heck happened to Firefox and remembering that one either.. all others are still stored
2006-05-01 12108, 2006
inhouseuk will be back later. I've a few things to do
2006-05-01 12124, 2006
g0llum
that part of trac is crappy
2006-05-01 12151, 2006
g0llum
it's a plugin, the default does not even allow to register an account
2006-05-01 12106, 2006
teleGUISE
ok mail sent off to mb-devel about the duplicate artist issue
2006-05-01 12116, 2006
g0llum
teleGUISE: oh wait a sec. i'm admin too
2006-05-01 12119, 2006
g0llum
rofl
2006-05-01 12121, 2006
teleGUISE
really that is kind of cheesy
2006-05-01 12125, 2006
teleGUISE
your kidding!
2006-05-01 12136, 2006
g0llum
you can register again
2006-05-01 12136, 2006
teleGUISE
huh? it says its still invalid...
2006-05-01 12114, 2006
teleGUISE
g0llum: what was the name of the old bug tracker
2006-05-01 12131, 2006
g0llum
sourceforge?
2006-05-01 12150, 2006
teleGUISE
was there something between sourceforge and trac?
2006-05-01 12157, 2006
teleGUISE
was there a different name?
2006-05-01 12111, 2006
g0llum
nah... i created the account again
2006-05-01 12109, 2006
g0llum
i'll use your account now to create some havoc ;)
2006-05-01 12113, 2006
teleGUISE
maybe i should leave it at that so i can ask if i forget ;)
2006-05-01 12127, 2006
g0llum
lol
2006-05-01 12101, 2006
teleGUISE
did you see any of the chatter going on about the mail i just sent to mb-devel?
