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pjo
you might be interested in Japanese sign language
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pjo
it does not use alphabet
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pjo
there are 52 alphabets in Japanese
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nikki_
hmm...
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Nyght
Mmm, significant difference.
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Nyght
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nikki_
does it have signs for each of the syllables that hiragana/katakana have?
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pjo
each word is symbolyzed
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pjo
like weather is this.... as such
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nikki_
ah
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nikki_
we do that in bsl too, but we can spell things too
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luks
ruaok: ping?
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pjo
yes JSL does that too but mainly symbols
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nikki_
TV is just the letters T and V, father is FF (two 'F's because father has two syllables)
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ruaok
on phone
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Nyght
how would you signify your own name without an alphabet pjo?
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nikki_
MM is mother, and MF is parents :)
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nikki_
Nyght: in bsl, people end up with sign names
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Nyght
and mother for asl is the action of holding a baby.. iirc
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trotek
is anyone else getting errors from picard (or maybe libofa) about a "not well-formed token" when analyzing a song with a "&" character?
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nikki_
mine was a spiral down the side of my head because my hair was so curly :)
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nikki_
Nyght: here that means baby :)
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Nyght
nikki, but would that relate if your mom was signing to her friend?
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Nyght
that's where signing for names seems to falter
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nikki_
hmm
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nikki_
I don't know
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nikki_
I prefer to spell my name anyway
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nikki_
it's easy enough, n i k k i!
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Nyght
where as with an alphabet, you can say "p,a,u,l" and then eventually when "paul" comes around, you then would put the equation together.
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nikki_
yup
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Nyght
that's why "no alphabet" is confusing to me in that sense.
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Nyght
and nikki, your "sign" is girl in asl
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Nyght
boy is reaching to an imaginary cap
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nikki_
girl is stroking your index down from your cheek to your chin
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nikki_
woman is from your ear to your chin
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slaad
That's bizarre.
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slaad
What's boy, nikki_?
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Nyght
I recall that too.. okay, it may be too long for to fully recall.
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nikki_
I can't remember boy, but man is outline a little beard with your thumb and index finger
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Nyght
I was trying to recall exactly what that was in fact
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nikki_
a bit bigger beard is brown and a biiiig beard is santa :)
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Nyght
yes!
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slaad
Man makes sense. I don't get girl/woman though.
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Nyght
santa is the same at least.
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nikki_
slaad: I have noooo idea :)
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slaad
Unless it's meant to represent a feminine jawline or something?
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Nyght
it is for the blush
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Nyght
slaad
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nikki_
possibly
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slaad
I guess that could make sense.
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Nyght
that's what it was explained to me at least.. which was why I was trying to recall what it was. I think I had it equated with a teen girl..
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Nyght shrugs
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slaad
Right. Time to get my study on.
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Nyght
lol best of time with study.. better you than me. ;)
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nikki_
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nikki_
the signs remind me of asl
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nikki_
Nyght: the first row is a i u e o, is that the same as asl?
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pjo
yes
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pjo
the first row is a i u e o
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nikki_ knows that 'cause she can read hiragana :)
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nikki_
I can't remember the asl alphabet very well though
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luks
ruaok: when you will have some free time, please check the apache settings for
svn.mb.org . something seems to be broken/misconfigured
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luks
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luks
svn: REPORT request failed on '/!svn/vcc/default'
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luks
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luks
night!
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pjo
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nikki_
I recognise ka, ya and wa as k, y and w from asl too
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nikki_
hmm, isn't shuwa any sign language?
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pjo
shuwa is sign language
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mudcrow
20 Zlatih Založbe Mandarine anyone recognise that language?
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nikki_
something slavic
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nikki_
google says slovene
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mudcrow
thanks
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Nyght
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pjo
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nikki_
ah yeah!
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nikki_
ah, and ha is the same as h...
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nikki_
ra and r...
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pjo
but there are many symbolized sequences in JSL too, because it is slow to spell a word, each word has too many alphabets
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nikki_
sa and s...
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nikki_
re and l...
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nikki_
I think that's it
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Nyght
and my information is sadly outdated
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nikki_
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Nyght
Do you know why they are so vastly different?
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Nyght
I can see some of it.
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nikki_
hmm
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nikki_
I think asl came from france
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Nyght
maybe because it's an older language than asl.. and it's a lot closer to what someone would "think" of to try and form them, where as asl is more abbreviated much like our slang is
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slaad
Yeah, ASL was from France.
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Nyght
Mmm,, that's a curiosity, I have no idea where that alphabet would be though
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slaad
Well, the founder of sign language in America was from France.
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Nyght
slaad, I understood. ;)
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nikki_
it makes sense, asl uses the same alphabet as europe
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nikki_
why on earth the uk uses a different one to the rest of europe is beyond me
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nikki_
and I assume the brits took their sign language to australia and new zealand
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Nyght
LOL because they must be stodgy. ;)
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slaad
British Imperialism? :)
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nikki_
probably
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Nyght
nikki, sorry, it's more of a dig at "us" than anything.
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nikki_
wikipedia says: The sign languages used in Australia and New Zealand, Auslan and New Zealand Sign Language, evolved largely from 19th Century BSL, and all retain the same manual alphabet, grammar, and similar lexicon.
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Nyght
from my side at least
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Nyght
uh oh.. guess I can't move to NZ after all. ;)
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Nyght
I'll have to learn an entire new set of sign.
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Nyght
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Nyght
and I apologize for misleading earlier. I'll be studying anew for the changes
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nikki_
heehee
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nikki_
in the case of the sentence "I was late to class last night because my boss handed me a huge stack of work after lunch yesterday," one would sign "YESTERDAY LUNCH FINISH, BOSS GIVE-ME WORK BIG-STACK, NIGHT CLASS LATE-ME."
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Shepard is reminded of newspeak
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slaad
That hurts my head to parse.
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Nyght
nikki, shep, ruaok, give me the names of the biggest community supporters please?
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Joan_W
back again
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pjo still trying to recover Windows XP
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Nyght
wb Joan
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Joan_W
just catching up on chat whilst I have been away
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Nyght
or anyone else I didn't just ping, that knows, or feels someone should stand out in a quick blog post?
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Nyght
Does the blog support HTML?
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