right, and it doesn't seem to matter if you have twenty tabs open, not in mb, or are.
2006-05-07 12701, 2006
Nyght
I just don't notice it normally because I think I'm so much happier with it than with IE.
2006-05-07 12717, 2006
yllona joined the channel
2006-05-07 12726, 2006
Nyght
I'll have to try that freemem thing again. (or whatever it was, Most dont usualy work well
2006-05-07 12742, 2006
Nyght
geh, okay, there's a lack of apostrophe for Joan. ;)
2006-05-07 12751, 2006
Nyght was fixing that!
2006-05-07 12713, 2006
teleGUISE
I also am not sure what we see is "exactly" leakage either.. though obviously it appears to be.. however just cuz Task Manager shows memory usage up one can't "say" that it's leaking. (though again in this case it seems it is) FF could also reserve some/that memory after it was needed but could/might allow it to free up when not needed
2006-05-07 12705, 2006
yllona
FF leak badly enough on OS X that it can become unuseable for complex tasks
2006-05-07 12725, 2006
teleGUISE
hmmm.. even on OS X.. wow
2006-05-07 12746, 2006
Nyght
I don't believe so, because when you go down to a single page, no java, it should free up.
2006-05-07 12751, 2006
nikki_
it's worst on osx
2006-05-07 12700, 2006
nikki_
best on windows ime.
2006-05-07 12707, 2006
teleGUISE
i would have thought things were sloppy on one platform.. seems kind of odd that it was multi... that would seem to imply "really" bad coding practices.. Which is kind of scary if true
2006-05-07 12741, 2006
Nyght
true, especially on mac. I give them a hard time, but it's just teasing. Their coding is generally tighter and such
2006-05-07 12728, 2006
yllona
there are deer park versions that have been improved for OS X , but it's just safer for me to use Safari or Camino for daily tasks. I have FF completely freeze my machine. it can use all residual memeory if you don't keep an eye on it.
2006-05-07 12709, 2006
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2006-05-07 12716, 2006
yllona
and keeping the process manager or a term window open just for one app, is ridiculous
2006-05-07 12738, 2006
teleGUISE
also you would think from what Im aware Mac OSX doesnt have the issues with "dependency" files like XP does leaving a bad library file to be partly the blame.. (though i guess every OS does at some point)
2006-05-07 12704, 2006
ruaok
bah. allergies suck!
2006-05-07 12713, 2006
ruaok is away: allergies!
2006-05-07 12714, 2006
yllona
teleGUISE: i haven't bothered to expend teh energy to track down the specific FF issue(s) on OS X. but it's well-known probelm. no other application i use on OS X has this kind of mem leak.
2006-05-07 12722, 2006
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MBChatLogger
windows == pure evil
2006-05-07 12735, 2006
teleGUISE
nyght: but even Windozer by design doesn't immediately free up memory/resources when through... it keeps them "for the off chance" it might need them again and is "supposed" to free them if something else needs them
2006-05-07 12745, 2006
lauri
i find it telling that when apple hired away a dozen mozilla developers to write them a browser, they chose to use kde's khtml to do it with, even though that meant rewriting all the GUI code
2006-05-07 12711, 2006
lauri
and not the very mozilla codebase those very same people had just spent several years immersed in (and some of them still work on it on the side)
2006-05-07 12748, 2006
Nyght
True, windows is garbage, no one disputes that. :D (Thankfully, I think I would gag! )
2006-05-07 12734, 2006
yllona
it's possible that teh FF developers are highly competent *nix coders, but they certainly don't understand the nuances of OS X. some of teh stuff they do is unnecessary in OS X.
2006-05-07 12737, 2006
lauri
you'll be able to use that on windows soon enough
2006-05-07 12736, 2006
lauri
yllona: there's a lot of that, there is also a lot of "my turf, no you cant submit a patch" crap and politics
2006-05-07 12720, 2006
Nyght
Lauri, the five disc set is done. There was some mistakes, and thank you for your offer. If you happen (or your kids) on any of the others, I will say thank you in advance to getting those liners as well. :D
2006-05-07 12743, 2006
yllona
lauri yes. i agree. it's the "too many cooks in the kitchen" paradigm, or even closer "too many chiefs and not enough indians"
2006-05-07 12721, 2006
lauri
it is very difficult to get fixes into large parts of that codebase, and it shows in the results, imho (and they dont like _us_ at all, dirk mueller, who practically wrote half of khtml himself, took two _years_ to get a commit account in mozilla cvs)
2006-05-07 12728, 2006
teleGUISE
nyght: sad thing is win xp could be a decent OS (didnt say great) being it finally was designed around semi standard practices.. it's just they get Microcrapisided
2006-05-07 12730, 2006
lauri
and he still has to have every patch approved
2006-05-07 12736, 2006
Nyght muses if two equals signs cancel each other out like a double negative (2:32:33 PM) MBChatLogger: windows == pure evil
2006-05-07 12754, 2006
lauri
heh, no, i am a programmer, = is an assignment, == means "equals"
2006-05-07 12757, 2006
lauri
i cant help it :(
2006-05-07 12758, 2006
yalaforge found using flash solves most of FFs memory leak problems
2006-05-07 12723, 2006
yalaforge
it crashes every two minutes => mem leaks gone
2006-05-07 12735, 2006
Nyght
I agree teleGUISE, they could get rid of half the bloatware (most people don't even use) and tighten up the coding and I imagine it would be great
2006-05-07 12737, 2006
yllona
yala: :)
2006-05-07 12748, 2006
lauri
i am just not used to talking to actual humans on irc, only geeks :)
2006-05-07 12715, 2006
lauri
(or ooh, it wasnt even me who did it that time, hahah)
2006-05-07 12721, 2006
Nyght
thank you lauri for your programmers input. ;)
2006-05-07 12737, 2006
Nyght
LOL yalaforge
2006-05-07 12718, 2006
Nyght
I'm not 'human" I'm a geek, just not as geekish as everyone else here.
2006-05-07 12704, 2006
yllona
and there are diffrent varieties of geek, too. not just technical types.
2006-05-07 12707, 2006
teleGUISE
yeah the == equal was fun when I started to learn C coming from machine code & basic ... Equal was equal and 'not' was not
2006-05-07 12759, 2006
yllona
most good jazz musicians are hardcore geeks, just not about technology. tho several are technology geeks too.
2006-05-07 12724, 2006
yalaforge found out there are several groups of non-tech geeks
2006-05-07 12733, 2006
yalaforge
role playing people, for example
2006-05-07 12741, 2006
yllona
i'd say at this point that Nyght has become a full-blown disney geek :P
2006-05-07 12749, 2006
lauri
nyght: i am always doing that on other channels and having to explain (also, s/typo/correction/, and other dumb shorthand like that)
2006-05-07 12706, 2006
lauri
when someone comments, i just assume it was me who isnt making any sense :)
2006-05-07 12716, 2006
Nyght guilty of being a role playing geek as well
2006-05-07 12737, 2006
tro has quit
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Nyght
yllona: whimpers yeah.. factoids no one needs to know ;)
2006-05-07 12711, 2006
lauri
nyght: daughters found two of the discs, sans covers, and the box
2006-05-07 12715, 2006
Nyght
It took me a bit of time for the s/typo/correction, but I got it without explanation.
2006-05-07 12733, 2006
yalaforge
Nyght: don't forget the trailing slash :-)
2006-05-07 12751, 2006
Nyght
I tend to prefer my typo=typofix but, it'll have to change to typo = = typofix
2006-05-07 12753, 2006
Nyght
;)
2006-05-07 12758, 2006
yllona
except young children. i have a god-daughter that can tell you anything you've ever wanted to know about shrek or the little mermaid (and then some) :-D
2006-05-07 12706, 2006
lauri
heh, yeah, nothing like getting your psuedo-sed corrected by pedants
2006-05-07 12722, 2006
Nyght
lauri ;>/
2006-05-07 12728, 2006
yalaforge
lauri: originally it was an ed command :-P
2006-05-07 12730, 2006
lauri
yllona: i expect she would get along just _fine_ with my youngest
2006-05-07 12736, 2006
Nyght
ah, yes, the code might crash. :D
2006-05-07 12745, 2006
yalaforge
ed would look at it and say '?'.
2006-05-07 12755, 2006
Nyght
yllona: thanks... :) but, no thansk!
2006-05-07 12757, 2006
Nyght
:D
2006-05-07 12704, 2006
lauri
yalaforge: yes, but ed would look at practically everything and say '?
2006-05-07 12706, 2006
lauri
'
2006-05-07 12724, 2006
teleGUISE ponders the thought of a what a real hard core "Disney geek" would be .. do they dress like Dwarves, cast spells like Witches walk like a Duck, talk like a Mouse and sing like an Elf ?
2006-05-07 12741, 2006
yalaforge
lauri: no, it's not quite that bad :-)
2006-05-07 12748, 2006
lauri
(i managed to mostly avoid that, i am also proud of making this year 18 years working in IT and only knowing two vi commands, and both of them are how to quit it)
2006-05-07 12704, 2006
yalaforge likes using ed from time to time, it's like a stripped down ex
2006-05-07 12723, 2006
yalaforge
tsk, tsk.
2006-05-07 12747, 2006
lauri
also, "hit esc until it beeps, then you can type"
2006-05-07 12747, 2006
Nyght
they of course talk like a duck and at least half of the other disney characters. to a perfection. They speak dwarven, and princess and they wear jimminy cricket glasses teleGUISE
2006-05-07 12705, 2006
yalaforge grins
2006-05-07 12726, 2006
lauri
unless some twit has turned the bell off in the terminal, then i am done for
2006-05-07 12753, 2006
nikki_
I feel like ed sometimes...
2006-05-07 12756, 2006
yalaforge
there's nothing worse than beeping terminals ...
2006-05-07 12708, 2006
nikki_ aaaaalways turns the beep off
2006-05-07 12708, 2006
yalaforge
nikki_: :-)
2006-05-07 12712, 2006
nikki_
because I can't hear it anyway
2006-05-07 12712, 2006
lauri
yes there is, non beeping ones when i am trying to use vi
2006-05-07 12727, 2006
tro joined the channel
2006-05-07 12738, 2006
yalaforge uses the visual bells (flashing terminal) everywhere
2006-05-07 12755, 2006
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2006-05-07 12713, 2006
yalaforge
don't get me to rant about people here at the uni. don't know a thing about unix, and guess what you can hear all the time?
2006-05-07 12721, 2006
lauri
heh
2006-05-07 12727, 2006
yalaforge
beep, beep, beep from dozends of computers at the same time!
2006-05-07 12735, 2006
yalaforge
s/d//
2006-05-07 12732, 2006
nechto13
hello everyone
2006-05-07 12733, 2006
nechto13
does the volumenumberstyle guideline still apply to russian albums? obiously the word volume is in russian
2006-05-07 12734, 2006
yalaforge
argh. deleted the wrong 'd'
2006-05-07 12700, 2006
Nyght
why would it change for Russian? Only oriental gets special circumstances. ;)
2006-05-07 12701, 2006
lauri
heh
2006-05-07 12706, 2006
Nyght
good noon nechto13
2006-05-07 12722, 2006
nikki_
Nyght: just japanese
2006-05-07 12738, 2006
teleGUISE
Oh speaking of volume.... just received a mail from someone whom was trying to change all the "Volume" to "vol" in a certain (non) english series
2006-05-07 12738, 2006
nikki_
yalaforge: I'll lend you my ears then ;)
2006-05-07 12739, 2006
Shepard
hi nechto13
2006-05-07 12706, 2006
Nyght
Oh, my bad... s/oriental/Japanese/
2006-05-07 12708, 2006
teleGUISE
nyght the guideline does say "Volumen" is allowed
2006-05-07 12711, 2006
Nyght
there fixed. ;)
2006-05-07 12714, 2006
yalaforge is known as the helpful guy who knows the 'xset -b' command ;-)
2006-05-07 12726, 2006
Nyght
well yeah, but same layout, right?
2006-05-07 12751, 2006
nechto13
Nyght: most of russia is in asia ;) but what about if the album title ends with a punctuation sigh? i assume i don't put a comma after it
2006-05-07 12755, 2006
nikki_ hopes she doesn't end up being the helpful girl who knows the 'xset -b' command...
2006-05-07 12723, 2006
teleGUISE
use the swedish conventions in hte title, as we do not use as in english. Only large cap. on first in sentenses, also on releases of music.
2006-05-07 12724, 2006
teleGUISE
And becouse it is a swedish release, I use the term "volym" instead of "Volume". Also according to the style guide, if I understod it correctly.
2006-05-07 12735, 2006
yalaforge
nikki_: you can be the helpful girl who knows CTRL-Q ;-)
2006-05-07 12743, 2006
nikki_
haha
2006-05-07 12744, 2006
teleGUISE
I gather "volym" is acceptable then, correct?
2006-05-07 12750, 2006
nikki_
or the helpful girl who knows both!!
2006-05-07 12755, 2006
lauri
hum, i change those to volume when i import them
2006-05-07 12715, 2006
lauri
i also change "med" to "feat" and other stuff like that
2006-05-07 12725, 2006
lauri
never had anyone complain...
2006-05-07 12731, 2006
Nyght leaves it to the language experts all jumping in
2006-05-07 12742, 2006
Nyght goes to her email, that's mainly modnotes
2006-05-07 12745, 2006
nikki_
I whistle innocently and go back to writing ruby
2006-05-07 12704, 2006
teleGUISE
hmmm.. well being it's ok for Spanish it should be ok for Swedish..
2006-05-07 12706, 2006
yalaforge
oh, interesting stuff?
2006-05-07 12713, 2006
lauri
lol, i am asking, in case i have been doing it wrong all this time
2006-05-07 12727, 2006
lauri
cos i'll have a whole load of albums to go change if thats the case
2006-05-07 12750, 2006
nechto13
alright, then if the album title ends with a punctuation sign, i don't put a comma after it, right?
