The processor is either AMD, or Intel, and you'll find most people here suggest AMD, though I'm not one of them.
2006-05-12 13234, 2006
Joan_W
Intel
2006-05-12 13244, 2006
Nyght
So, it's just the box that you're having difficulties with?
2006-05-12 13248, 2006
inhouseuk
yeah, Dell only sell Intel
2006-05-12 13250, 2006
Joan_W
yes
2006-05-12 13202, 2006
MartinRudat
Nyght: 'tis just that each of the edit types already has a (planned at least) page for the edit, it would possibly be easier to go "Edits that require voting" rather than "Type of Votes"...
2006-05-12 13245, 2006
Nyght
Well, my true suggestion, unless the cd isn't the only difficult problem would be to look into replacing the CD (not very difficult at all) and reinstall as I had said.
2006-05-12 13256, 2006
Joan_W
I suppose in this age of planned obsolescence, the fact that it is 3 1/2 years old makes it ancient
2006-05-12 13251, 2006
Nyght
But, if it's too slow for you, if you're no longer happy with the hard drive side, the speed etc.. then ah.. then I'll do some research and see what's rating the least troublesome. :D
2006-05-12 13201, 2006
Joan_W
beth - I think I will probably go with your suggestion and let my man who repairs clean it up and replace the CD writer
2006-05-12 13223, 2006
Nyght
Okay.. I see where you're coming from.
2006-05-12 13238, 2006
Nyght
Martin^^
2006-05-12 13241, 2006
Nyght
sorry. ;)
2006-05-12 13201, 2006
MartinRudat
...get a DVD drive... I couldn't buy a plain CD-writer, let alone a plain CD-ROM the last time I went to look...
2006-05-12 13208, 2006
inhouseuk still has a few > 5 year old machines doing useful work
2006-05-12 13229, 2006
Nyght
I think that's your best.. because, cd writers are in the fifty dollar range. (that's from just quick guess) and the reinstall wouldn't be that bad.
2006-05-12 13245, 2006
Nyght
Often times you can (especially with pent 4) do a lot to refresh and have a good system still.
2006-05-12 13259, 2006
Nyght
A bit more memory might do you very nicely too.
2006-05-12 13208, 2006
Nyght
What do you currently have?
2006-05-12 13213, 2006
Joan_W
martin - you are quite right - I do want a DVD drive
2006-05-12 13216, 2006
MartinRudat should put the teac cd-rom in the external case... I _did_ get it because that particular model was rated as being good at ripping...
2006-05-12 13231, 2006
MartinRudat
...if in doubt, add more ram! =)
2006-05-12 13244, 2006
Nyght
LOL Martin, you and I agree on that one!
2006-05-12 13219, 2006
MartinRudat grumps that his laptop is maxed out on ram... perhaps I shouldn't be running memory hogs like firefox on it... it's only got 640M...
2006-05-12 13246, 2006
Nyght
Joan, I just constantly hear upgrade upgrade upgrade, and usually people are very good with what they have, and satisfied, but it's like brainwashing. ;) That's why I pose the questions I posed.
2006-05-12 13251, 2006
ojnkpjg
if you're looking for a cd-rom specifically for ripping, you should get a plextor
2006-05-12 13255, 2006
ojnkpjg
if you're willing to pay
2006-05-12 13205, 2006
Joan_W
how much
2006-05-12 13213, 2006
ojnkpjg
considerably more than other brands
2006-05-12 13222, 2006
Nyght
plextor... I heard that, got one, am not terribly impressed.. but, I am really hard on my burners too
2006-05-12 13241, 2006
Joan_W
currently 37.2Gb
2006-05-12 13242, 2006
ojnkpjg
i just use mine for ripping
2006-05-12 13259, 2006
ojnkpjg
i have a cheapo lite-on dvd-rw for burning stuff
2006-05-12 13213, 2006
Nyght
I believe the dvd burner reader is about 70 - 80 pounds, whereas I said dollars before for the cd writer
2006-05-12 13237, 2006
Nyght
ram Joan. ;)
2006-05-12 13250, 2006
ojnkpjg
what i am kind of upset about is that my plextor drive does will not read into the pregaps
2006-05-12 13257, 2006
MartinRudat
ojnkpjk: this was in hmm... 98 I think. the drive was one of the few recommended models I could actually find one of. =)
2006-05-12 13200, 2006
ojnkpjg
i thought i made sure the model was getting did
2006-05-12 13207, 2006
inhouseuk
Nyght: the last dvd dual layer writer I bought a couple of months ago was £35
2006-05-12 13209, 2006
ojnkpjg
so i cannot rip track 0
2006-05-12 13213, 2006
Nyght
it's a right click, and under the properties of "my computer" and it says computer speed, then ram
2006-05-12 13227, 2006
Nyght
ah, was it plextor?
2006-05-12 13241, 2006
Nyght
I very well could be off inhouseuk, it's been a year or more since I bought mine.
2006-05-12 13249, 2006
inhouseuk
Nyght: nope, that was a lite-on
2006-05-12 13206, 2006
ojnkpjg
anyone know the brand and model of a drive that will read into pregaps properly?
2006-05-12 13221, 2006
ojnkpjg
i've tried about 7 different drives with no luck
2006-05-12 13222, 2006
MartinRudat
I got a pioneer dual-layer drive... it was about $AU60 I think.
I am just so amazed at how much cheaper everything is from September 2002 when I bought this set up
2006-05-12 13237, 2006
MartinRudat
ojnkpjk: pioneer DVR-110D (I think) I've got seems to read the pregap just fine...
2006-05-12 13220, 2006
ojnkpjg
have you been successful ripping a track 0
2006-05-12 13228, 2006
Joan_W
beth - any sighting of tele yet
2006-05-12 13235, 2006
ojnkpjg
my drive claims to be able to read into the pregaps, but it doesn't
2006-05-12 13240, 2006
ojnkpjg
EAC and cdparanoia both just bomb out
2006-05-12 13250, 2006
ojnkpjg
they write NULLs
2006-05-12 13256, 2006
MartinRudat
Joan: not that I've bothered to check, but prices for a particular computer probably halve every 18 months.... the computer you really want always seems to stay the same price... it just gets faster. =)
Nope Joan, not even a reply back from my email yesterday
2006-05-12 13214, 2006
ojnkpjg
the drives have been around for years now, and it's still too expensive to be worth buying
2006-05-12 13216, 2006
MartinRudat
ojnkpjg: I've ripped the pre-gap off Kylie Minogue's Light Years CD... only one I've seen so far in my collection, mind you...
2006-05-12 13228, 2006
ojnkpjg
well, if it worked for one, should work for all
2006-05-12 13230, 2006
ojnkpjg
thanks for the info
2006-05-12 13200, 2006
MartinRudat should stick the teac in and see what it does...
2006-05-12 13218, 2006
Nyght
<---- doesn't even know the pregap thing
2006-05-12 13220, 2006
Joan_W
inhouse got him a list of amg relationships that tele wanted to delete. We were going to do it together. I got the list from here, checked all the links, put the names of each album alongside the link to make sure it was the right one, and since telling him I had done this have heard nada
2006-05-12 13247, 2006
Nyght
when was that?
2006-05-12 13248, 2006
Nyght
:(
2006-05-12 13253, 2006
Joan_W
I don't want to start on it because I am not sure exactly what he wants to do.
2006-05-12 13258, 2006
Nyght is a little concerned..
2006-05-12 13216, 2006
Joan_W
inhouse sent the list through early hours of yesterday morning and I spent the morning checking albums, etc.
2006-05-12 13235, 2006
Nyght
Yeah, I'm sure of that, he does disappear for a day or two on occasion from what I saw when ... eh, perhaps about a month ago?
2006-05-12 13248, 2006
Nyght bites her tongue to not tease something
2006-05-12 13258, 2006
MartinRudat
ojnkpjk: I bought three dual-layer blanks to try out the burner... I still haven't found anything that would serve as an excuse to use something that expensive for, though... =)
2006-05-12 13204, 2006
Joan_W
oh well - he will surface when he is good and ready and I did send him an email saying that I had the list.
2006-05-12 13230, 2006
ojnkpjg
yeah, i figured the prices would have come down by now
2006-05-12 13202, 2006
MartinRudat
ojnkpjk: perhaps when the prices are low demand will pick up so the prices go down so demand goes up ... =)
2006-05-12 13229, 2006
Nyght
Martin, for me it's all space consideration. When you move too often the least amount of discs you have to transport and double back (work) the better!
2006-05-12 13200, 2006
inhouseuk goes for some fresh air and to get the item of shopping he forgot earlier
2006-05-12 13212, 2006
MartinRudat wonders if he can get a 2.5" firewire drive-cage...
2006-05-12 13236, 2006
MartinRudat
I think that if I really wanted to shift a lot of information around, I'd lug a drive around... =)
2006-05-12 13206, 2006
Joan_W
inhouse has just reminded me that I had better go out and get some food in if we are going to eat tonight. See you later
2006-05-12 13216, 2006
ojnkpjg
by the time dual layer gets cheap, blueray will be common
2006-05-12 13219, 2006
MartinRudat
bye Joan, have fun.
2006-05-12 13226, 2006
Joan_W
I hate shopping
2006-05-12 13246, 2006
Nyght
take care Joan, good to talk for a while
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MartinRudat
ojnkpjg: hmm... one wonders which blank media will have the lowst $/GB though...
2006-05-12 13200, 2006
ojnkpjg
i was looking at backup options a while ago
2006-05-12 13202, 2006
Nyght ignores her 300 meg replaceable hard drive.. that has ALL the music collections, because it's easier than lugging 1000 cds
2006-05-12 13213, 2006
ojnkpjg
hard disks are still by far the cheapest way to go
2006-05-12 13219, 2006
ojnkpjg
tape drives are ridiculously expensive
2006-05-12 13255, 2006
ojnkpjg
dvd is too much of a pain in the ass when you're dealing with >1TB
2006-05-12 13202, 2006
Nyght
tape is slow, but it can't be "bumped" and lose data like a hard drive
2006-05-12 13222, 2006
ojnkpjg
slow and expensive
2006-05-12 13227, 2006
ojnkpjg
i could deal with it being slow
2006-05-12 13229, 2006
ojnkpjg
but i cannot afford it
2006-05-12 13203, 2006
Nyght
yeah.. so far I tend to you memory drives (for vital record information) and then removable hard drive for non vital stuff.
2006-05-12 13204, 2006
MartinRudat thinks he's managed to 'bump' one drive hard enough to cause data loss... I was in grade 6, and I thumped the desk the computer was on hard enough to make it reset...
2006-05-12 13226, 2006
Nyght
Martin, I'm talking a drive in a box without any shock supports.
2006-05-12 13211, 2006
Nyght
basically for all purposes, it's a raw hard drive, just with a case closing it so it doesn't shock, or ...
2006-05-12 13228, 2006
Nyght blinks about ten times, wondering what idiot move it was to place a speaker on such a drive....
2006-05-12 13231, 2006
Nyght
just a second.
2006-05-12 13213, 2006
Nyght
ah better.. ;) anyways.. yeah, more a case of it could be a bare hard drive more or less
2006-05-12 13245, 2006
MartinRudat
Nyght: use a laptop drive, and don't drop it further than off a desk onto a concrete floor, and afaik, you'll be perfectly fine...
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MartinRudat is reasonably certain that most modern drives are relatively immune to shock once the heads are parked...
2006-05-12 13209, 2006
Nyght
Laptop hard drives are.. geh!
2006-05-12 13230, 2006
MartinRudat
they're harder to break than desktop once by dropping them, afaik.
2006-05-12 13250, 2006
Nyght
but, yes, it's more durable (the 10 gig I have) than my 300 desktop hard drive in the same style structure
2006-05-12 13216, 2006
Nyght
They're just expensive!
2006-05-12 13224, 2006
MartinRudat
there is that. =)
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MartinRudat
I remember reading somewhere that one person thinks that laptop drives will be the way of the future the same way that, well... have you seen a 5 1/2" hard-drive recently?
2006-05-12 13214, 2006
Jetpack strokes his 4 raptors
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Shepard`
Shepard` is now known as Shepard
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MartinRudat ponders... it's 3.5" and 5.25" isn't it?
2006-05-12 13252, 2006
MartinRudat
you can spin a 2.5" platter faster than you can spin a 3.5" platter... the arms are shorter, and don't need to be as heavy as 3.5" arms... mechanically, everything on a 2.5" drive is capable of being pushed faster than on a 3.5" drive...
2006-05-12 13235, 2006
flamingcow
we use laptop-sized drives in servers
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flamingcow
blades
2006-05-12 13254, 2006
lauri
sata helps
2006-05-12 13221, 2006
lauri
i can rip out my laptop drives and put them straight in my desktop machine already
2006-05-12 13231, 2006
MartinRudat
...'course the downside is that they have higher heat output, and they're physically smaller so you can't get the same amount of storage per drive (yet...) oh, and they're more expensive...
2006-05-12 13202, 2006
MartinRudat can't on his laptop... but I've got an adapter, in case it ever comes up. =)
2006-05-12 13229, 2006
MartinRudat kinda wonders if, from the heat and noise pov, if there's going to be variable-speed hard-drives...
2006-05-12 13210, 2006
MartinRudat
...most of the time, most peoples drives probably only need to supply 128-320Kbps, methinks... =)
2006-05-12 13202, 2006
Nyght
Yes, it is.. and no, I hav.... wait, I have seen a few, and some dual height, servers still use them for one. (5.25 harddrives that is)
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MartinRudat
the last time I saw a (new) 5.25" drive was a slow, large (for the time) capacity drive from maxtor, I think...
2006-05-12 13212, 2006
Nyght
There already is variable speed hard drives. I think
2006-05-12 13229, 2006
Nyght
Now, I didn't "look" at them, I noted them. ;)
2006-05-12 13207, 2006
Nyght
Okay, reboot time.. I just love firmware upgrades. ;) be back later tonight I imagine.. have some stuff to do unfortunately.
2006-05-12 13212, 2006
MartinRudat
I've disassembled a full-height 5.25" drive... 'twas quite interesting.
2006-05-12 13213, 2006
Nyght
Thanks Martin, for your suggestions!
2006-05-12 13219, 2006
Nyght
Yes, they are. :D
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lauri
MartinRudat: i just meant, they can manufacture one form factor _and_ one connector, instead of a hundred and twenty eleven combinations
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lauri remembers getting a call on the tech support line back many years ago "Can you guys recover my hard drive"
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lauri
"it crashed, but I took it apart, and it doesn't look very damaged"
