#musicbrainz

/

      • Nyght
        that works too.. (inhouse and nikki)

        • 2006-05-25 14507, 2006

      • MartinRudat wonders if it would be feasible to disallow fast approval by mods that don't vote with the consensus...

        • 2006-05-25 14526, 2006

      • nikki_
        ?

        • 2006-05-25 14501, 2006

      • Nyght
        a week wait to vote

        • 2006-05-25 14514, 2006

      • nikki_
        I meant ? at martin

        • 2006-05-25 14543, 2006

      • MartinRudat
        if an editor seems to vote mainly against the flow, make it so their vote won't short-circuit the voting window.

        • 2006-05-25 14559, 2006

      • Nyght
        Martin, that doesn't take out the problem with three accounts voting things in.

        • 2006-05-25 14559, 2006

      • nikki_
        not right now

        • 2006-05-25 14520, 2006

      • nikki_
        the karma/editor rating/whatever thing might include something along those lines

        • 2006-05-25 14522, 2006

      • MartinRudat doesn't know what sort of metric could possibly compute 'against the flow', though...

        • 2006-05-25 14551, 2006

      • MartinRudat
        Nyght: no, but it would mean that you'd have a week to spot them at it, rather than an hour...

        • 2006-05-25 14501, 2006

      • Nyght
        plus some people have very good reason to vote against the flow.

        • 2006-05-25 14512, 2006

      • nikki_ points to what she said ;)

        • 2006-05-25 14551, 2006

      • Nyght
        ah, along with the weeks wait. Sorry, I didn't see that Martin.

        • 2006-05-25 14557, 2006

      • nikki_
        if someone's overall rating is bad, I could see a case for their vote not being worth as much as someone's whose rating is good

        • 2006-05-25 14517, 2006

      • MartinRudat nods.

        • 2006-05-25 14544, 2006

      • nikki_
        with a max/min of 1.5 and 0.5, they'd need 6 accounts if their vote only came to 0.5

        • 2006-05-25 14514, 2006

      • nikki_
        and it would effectively reduce the number of votes from good editors needed to just 2

        • 2006-05-25 14548, 2006

      • pae
        so can anybody else tell me how to define the BROWSER variable? sorry for the n00b question...

        • 2006-05-25 14507, 2006

      • MartinRudat ponders sock-puppetry, and if needing 6 puppets to push a vote through would just end up in increased sales of socks...

        • 2006-05-25 14543, 2006

      • nikki_
        MartinRudat: it's harder to find 6 people to vote and more time consuming to have to do it 6 times.

        • 2006-05-25 14506, 2006

      • MartinRudat
        nikki: hmm, well, yeah.

        • 2006-05-25 14519, 2006

      • nikki_
        pae: hmm, I use BROWSER="firefox '%s' &"

        • 2006-05-25 14529, 2006

      • pae
        nikki_: where did you set it?

        • 2006-05-25 14550, 2006

      • pae
        I put it in ~/.bash_profile and sourced that file

        • 2006-05-25 14558, 2006

      • pae
        but picard still opens mozilla

        • 2006-05-25 14517, 2006

      • nikki_
        I tend to write it before the command

        • 2006-05-25 14528, 2006

      • nikki_
        but that's only because it's in my history :)

        • 2006-05-25 14556, 2006

      • nikki_
        PICARD_DEBUG=0 BROWSER="firefox '%s' &" ~/tmp/picard/tagger.py & <- see :)

        • 2006-05-25 14523, 2006

      • pae
        nice :)

        • 2006-05-25 14539, 2006

      • pae
        I jsut found out what the problem here was :)

        • 2006-05-25 14540, 2006

      • intgr
        You might also want nohup

        • 2006-05-25 14557, 2006

      • nikki_
        me?

        • 2006-05-25 14501, 2006

      • intgr
        Yeah.

        • 2006-05-25 14505, 2006

      • nikki_
        noo.

        • 2006-05-25 14508, 2006

      • pae
        I was setting the variable in one terminal, and running the tagger in another :)

        • 2006-05-25 14510, 2006

      • nikki_
        I use disown if I want it

        • 2006-05-25 14513, 2006

      • nikki_
        ahh

        • 2006-05-25 14520, 2006

      • nikki_
        that tends to not work ;)

        • 2006-05-25 14524, 2006

      • pae
        yes :)

        • 2006-05-25 14527, 2006

      • pae
        but it works now :)

        • 2006-05-25 14528, 2006

      • intgr
        :)

        • 2006-05-25 14529, 2006

      • inhouseuk
        pae: :)

        • 2006-05-25 14546, 2006

      • VxJasonxV
        Hmmm

        • 2006-05-25 14548, 2006

      • Nyght
        we'll also have to take out the "how many votes" documentation, and probably should make that ambiguous anyways.

        • 2006-05-25 14500, 2006

      • VxJasonxV
        what do you people think about picard adding a 'placeholder' file when you're missing songs in an album?

        • 2006-05-25 14521, 2006

      • nikki_
        someone suggested it once

        • 2006-05-25 14525, 2006

      • VxJasonxV
        What was the response?

        • 2006-05-25 14525, 2006

      • intgr
        Sounds reasonable as an option.

        • 2006-05-25 14539, 2006

      • Nyght
        Jason, I don't personally want it... but, I don't see why it couldn't be a request, as long as it's able to be turned off.

        • 2006-05-25 14557, 2006

      • nikki_
        I think it's something which needs plugins or something, the options are just going to get ridiculous if we add everything.

        • 2006-05-25 14518, 2006

      • nikki_
        like I'd like to store full albums in one folder and others in another

        • 2006-05-25 14556, 2006

      • VxJasonxV
        nikki_, ditto. though the thought hasn't crossed my mind

        • 2006-05-25 14559, 2006

      • intgr
        A decent plugin framework would obviously benefit us a lot.

        • 2006-05-25 14559, 2006

      • VxJasonxV
        plugins indeed.

        • 2006-05-25 14518, 2006

      • nikki_
        intgr: yup

        • 2006-05-25 14558, 2006

      • inhouseuk
        ouch! I just read the report from my ISP regarding their colo UPS failure that caused the outage eariler in the week. Basically the building UPS went *bang"

        • 2006-05-25 14534, 2006

      • intgr
        What, they didn't have redundant power?

        • 2006-05-25 14555, 2006

      • VxJasonxV
        The UPS is the redundant power :P

        • 2006-05-25 14555, 2006

      • inhouseuk
        it was the redundant system that failed

        • 2006-05-25 14518, 2006

      • MartinRudat
        ...and it took the rest of the system with it?

        • 2006-05-25 14519, 2006

      • intgr
        Ah, the primary was still functional?

        • 2006-05-25 14535, 2006

      • VxJasonxV
        The ISP I work at is having a UPS reboot on the 2nd of June...

        • 2006-05-25 14539, 2006

      • intgr
        Err, 'caused the outage'...

        • 2006-05-25 14542, 2006

      • VxJasonxV
        I'm SOOOOO glad I'm not working that night XD

        • 2006-05-25 14513, 2006

      • inhouseuk
        intgr: yeah, but the UPS blowing up took out the supply fuse into the building :(

        • 2006-05-25 14547, 2006

      • nikki_
        teehee. reminds me of a text message I have from a friend

        • 2006-05-25 14503, 2006

      • MartinRudat saw some hosting facility somewhere that had a bunch of really big flywheels as part of their UPS system... however that works out.

        • 2006-05-25 14515, 2006

      • VxJasonxV
        MartinRudat, Hurrican Electric ?

        • 2006-05-25 14516, 2006

      • MartinRudat
        err... saw on the TV, that is.

        • 2006-05-25 14521, 2006

      • VxJasonxV
        +e

        • 2006-05-25 14555, 2006

      • VxJasonxV
        I'm sure they're just supplemental power :)

        • 2006-05-25 14501, 2006

      • MartinRudat has no idea, I just heard a few seconds and the spinny thingies whilst walking past on the way to the fridge. =)

        • 2006-05-25 14501, 2006

      • VxJasonxV
        (I hope :X)

        • 2006-05-25 14512, 2006

      • intgr
        It sounds fairly obvious to me to have a fuse especially for the UPS...

        • 2006-05-25 14556, 2006

      • MartinRudat
        Jason: dunno, they're pretty big flywheels... =)

        • 2006-05-25 14520, 2006

      • VxJasonxV
        the bigger they are, the harder they are to turn

        • 2006-05-25 14522, 2006

      • VxJasonxV
        I'm sure they're just supplemental power :)

        • 2006-05-25 14526, 2006

      • VxJasonxV
        heh

        • 2006-05-25 14532, 2006

      • MartinRudat
        "Hindsight is 20/20"

        • 2006-05-25 14529, 2006

      • VxJasonxV
        Ummm...

        • 2006-05-25 14546, 2006

      • MartinRudat
        about the fuse for the ups.

        • 2006-05-25 14556, 2006

      • VxJasonxV
        the cluster files button in picard is supposed to auto-cluster if capable, but isn't it also supposed to manually cluster the selected tracks if a batch is highlighted?

        • 2006-05-25 14517, 2006

      • MartinRudat ponders sleep.

        • 2006-05-25 14559, 2006

      • pae
        when I tag files with picard 0.7.0, their musicbrainz ID get automagically saved?

        • 2006-05-25 14514, 2006

      • intgr
        Yes, pae.

        • 2006-05-25 14517, 2006

      • pae
        :)

        • 2006-05-25 14521, 2006

      • MartinRudat
        MartinRudat is now known as MingVase

        • 2006-05-25 14534, 2006

      • MingVase goes to bed, Nytol.

        • 2006-05-25 14546, 2006

      • intgr
        VxJasonxV: Currently, it isn't.

        • 2006-05-25 14533, 2006

      • intgr
        The interface should be redesigned to impose much less restrictions on the user than it does now.

        • 2006-05-25 14534, 2006

      • Brandon_72 joined the channel

        • 2006-05-25 14552, 2006

      • VxJasonxV
        D=

        • 2006-05-25 14547, 2006

      • inhouseuk
        intgr: the sanitised email - http://www.inhouse.co.uk/misc/ups-bang.txt

        • 2006-05-25 14553, 2006

      • intgr
        But that fact doesn't mean that anyone is going to do it. :)

        • 2006-05-25 14518, 2006

      • Kerensky97_ joined the channel

        • 2006-05-25 14526, 2006

      • VxJasonxV
        hmmm

        • 2006-05-25 14539, 2006

      • VxJasonxV
        anyone here use mp3info for looking up id3 tag data?

        • 2006-05-25 14519, 2006

      • VxJasonxV
        Some of my tracks... don't have MB metadata...

        • 2006-05-25 14558, 2006

      • inhouseuk vagely remembers using mp3info in the past, but not recently

        • 2006-05-25 14506, 2006

      • VxJasonxV
        is there some other cli tool I can use

        • 2006-05-25 14507, 2006

      • VxJasonxV
        ?

        • 2006-05-25 14515, 2006

      • inhouseuk
        on linux?

        • 2006-05-25 14518, 2006

      • VxJasonxV
        yeah

        • 2006-05-25 14527, 2006

      • inhouseuk
        eyeD3

        • 2006-05-25 14541, 2006

      • VxJasonxV
        I have a binary named id3v2

        • 2006-05-25 14555, 2006

      • inhouseuk
        wait a sec and I'll find the site for it

        • 2006-05-25 14503, 2006

      • VxJasonxV
        I can emerge --search it, don't worry

        • 2006-05-25 14543, 2006

      • VxJasonxV
        wtf, I can't use vorbiscomment for FLAC files?

        • 2006-05-25 14504, 2006

      • VxJasonxV
        metaflac it is...

        • 2006-05-25 14515, 2006

      • VxJasonxV
        I suppose it is vorbiscomment and not ogg comment

        • 2006-05-25 14515, 2006

      • inhouseuk
        http://eyed3.nicfit.net/ is the main site, but there is probably a package available for it

        • 2006-05-25 14549, 2006

      • VxJasonxV
        ok...

        • 2006-05-25 14555, 2006

      • inhouseuk can never remember which is the container vorbis or ogg

        • 2006-05-25 14504, 2006

      • VxJasonxV
        vorbis is the payload, ogg is the container

        • 2006-05-25 14511, 2006

      • VxJasonxV
        I always remember it this way:

        • 2006-05-25 14521, 2006

      • VxJasonxV
        Ogg {Vorbis, FLAC, Theora, Midi, Speex}

        • 2006-05-25 14530, 2006

      • VxJasonxV
        Ogg contains {codecs} :)

        • 2006-05-25 14545, 2006

      • inhouseuk
        :)

        • 2006-05-25 14502, 2006

      • ngw has left the channel

        • 2006-05-25 14529, 2006

      • intgr
        Ogg Midi?

        • 2006-05-25 14506, 2006

      • srotta joined the channel

        • 2006-05-25 14502, 2006

      • VxJasonxV
        Yeah

        • 2006-05-25 14511, 2006

      • VxJasonxV
        I don't know why/how/what, but yes

        • 2006-05-25 14532, 2006

      • flamingcow
        but it's more confusing than that

        • 2006-05-25 14535, 2006

      • VxJasonxV
        :P

        • 2006-05-25 14535, 2006

      • intgr
        I can only come up with MIDI->Ogg converters on Google.

        • 2006-05-25 14537, 2006

      • flamingcow
        because flac, at least, can also be naked

        • 2006-05-25 14546, 2006

      • VxJasonxV
        ummm, isn't there an id3v2 2.4 ?

        • 2006-05-25 14552, 2006

      • flamingcow
        id3v2.4.0

        • 2006-05-25 14554, 2006

      • flamingcow
        yes

        • 2006-05-25 14510, 2006

      • VxJasonxV
        :|

        • 2006-05-25 14515, 2006

      • flamingcow
        id3v2, the binary, doesn't handle 2.4.0 yet, iirc

        • 2006-05-25 14515, 2006

      • VxJasonxV
        why doesn't dbPowerAmp have support for it?

        • 2006-05-25 14528, 2006

      • flamingcow
        lots of things don't yet

        • 2006-05-25 14542, 2006

      • flamingcow
        add it :)

        • 2006-05-25 14513, 2006

      • VxJasonxV
        blegh

        • 2006-05-25 14515, 2006

      • VxJasonxV
        teach me c++

        • 2006-05-25 14524, 2006

      • inhouseuk
        eyeD3 can read and write id3v2.4 tags correctly

        • 2006-05-25 14527, 2006

      • srotta
        Heh 8)

        • 2006-05-25 14541, 2006

      • srotta
        Having a specification doesn't mean anyone's using it.

        • 2006-05-25 14546, 2006

      • VxJasonxV
        :P

        • 2006-05-25 14549, 2006

      • srotta
        For example, anyone familiar with XForms?

        • 2006-05-25 14502, 2006

      • VxJasonxV
        It's funny you should mention that

        • 2006-05-25 14509, 2006

      • VxJasonxV
        because whenever you say XForms, I think XMMS2

        • 2006-05-25 14511, 2006

      • VxJasonxV
        not the web technology :P

        • 2006-05-25 14517, 2006

      • srotta
        That's _excellent_ technology. Too bad nobody supports it.

        • 2006-05-25 14538, 2006

      • VxJasonxV
        you have to agree though, XForms is a spec, but so is HTML5 and god knows what else

        • 2006-05-25 14553, 2006

      • VxJasonxV
        it's not just a spec, it's one with a competing spec

        • 2006-05-25 14509, 2006

      • VxJasonxV
        I was about to say id3v2 2.4 is a new version, however, APEv2 is competing :P