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      • mll
        http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=4888533

        • 2006-06-01 15241, 2006

      • mll
        http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=4888532

        • 2006-06-01 15256, 2006

      • mll
        http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=4888503

        • 2006-06-01 15217, 2006

      • mll
        end of mods whew

        • 2006-06-01 15245, 2006

      • catgroove
        sorry I'm staying away from that, i'm moer enclined to vote no, I'm kinda busy I have to go out before the hop quits, so sorry :/

        • 2006-06-01 15259, 2006

      • catgroove
        shop closes

        • 2006-06-01 15204, 2006

      • catgroove
        not hop quits

        • 2006-06-01 15246, 2006

      • mll
        The bad thing is, I sent an email to nechto13 through his MB account, and no answer.

        • 2006-06-01 15220, 2006

      • SoothingR joined the channel

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      • catgroove away: vaskemaskinmatmammashoppen

        • 2006-06-01 15223, 2006

      • mll
        SO the mods are about to fail even if he finally agrees :(

        • 2006-06-01 15205, 2006

      • Shepard
        hmm.. waschmaschine???mamashoppen

        • 2006-06-01 15213, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        i don't know about those mods

        • 2006-06-01 15218, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        what about wendy carlos?

        • 2006-06-01 15234, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        i don't know if this is analagous or not

        • 2006-06-01 15253, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        but people might say of wendy carlos' music, "that's not X" where X is whatever composer she happens to be performing

        • 2006-06-01 15221, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        i think it's a corner case mb doesn't handle well

        • 2006-06-01 15241, 2006

      • nikki_
        mll: why are they going to fail?

        • 2006-06-01 15252, 2006

      • nikki_
        mll: also, you shouldn't use spaces before ! and ? in english :P

        • 2006-06-01 15203, 2006

      • orogor has quit

        • 2006-06-01 15226, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        i'd be inclined to put the tracks under the composer if you think the composer's contribution is significant enough to put the composer in the title of the tracks

        • 2006-06-01 15208, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        i guess i'm not clear on exactly what role the composer played on those tracks

        • 2006-06-01 15210, 2006

      • mll
        nikki_: deadline tomorrow

        • 2006-06-01 15213, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        did bach compose them?

        • 2006-06-01 15234, 2006

      • nikki_
        mll: and?

        • 2006-06-01 15215, 2006

      • mll
        ojnkpjg: you should follow my link on "cover" section of http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/ClassicalStyleGuideDi… where you can find all the info you sked I guess

        • 2006-06-01 15225, 2006

      • MingVase presumes that the group does to classical music what William Orbit did to Barber's Adagio for Strings...

        • 2006-06-01 15232, 2006

      • mll
        1no = failing mod on deadlin, no ?

        • 2006-06-01 15237, 2006

      • nikki_
        no

        • 2006-06-01 15248, 2006

      • nikki_
        no > yes makes it fail.

        • 2006-06-01 15251, 2006

      • mll
        really ? REALLY ??? :)

        • 2006-06-01 15253, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        no >= yes

        • 2006-06-01 15257, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        unless it's 0-0

        • 2006-06-01 15259, 2006

      • mll
        how cooooooooool !

        • 2006-06-01 15200, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        then they pass

        • 2006-06-01 15203, 2006

      • nikki_
        ojnkpjg: I was just getting to that bit

        • 2006-06-01 15207, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        sorry :P

        • 2006-06-01 15220, 2006

      • nikki_
        no > yes making it fail is always true :P

        • 2006-06-01 15222, 2006

      • Shepard
        0-0 does not pass

        • 2006-06-01 15226, 2006

      • nikki_
        does too

        • 2006-06-01 15232, 2006

      • Shepard
        only after an extra week

        • 2006-06-01 15233, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        it does after long enough

        • 2006-06-01 15236, 2006

      • SuperfluousC
        0-0 does pass, most of mine end up that way.

        • 2006-06-01 15241, 2006

      • nikki_
        so? it still passes :P

        • 2006-06-01 15253, 2006

      • Shepard
        but not after the regular deeeadline!

        • 2006-06-01 15205, 2006

      • mll
        @mingvase: don't know what orbit did, but Loussier reworks Bach (and other classicol composer) 's music

        • 2006-06-01 15213, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        that whole extra week of sudden death makes no sense at all to me, btw

        • 2006-06-01 15214, 2006

      • mll
        so that it gets a new original content

        • 2006-06-01 15245, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        mll, so if you wanted to add ARs, what would bach's role be?

        • 2006-06-01 15206, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        would you list him as one composer and loussier as another composer?

        • 2006-06-01 15213, 2006

      • mll
        why not

        • 2006-06-01 15222, 2006

      • mll
        or bach credited only in the album title

        • 2006-06-01 15236, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        i don't like to put stuff in the title unless it's actually part of the title

        • 2006-06-01 15246, 2006

      • mll
        it is

        • 2006-06-01 15254, 2006

      • mll
        "Play Bach" for example

        • 2006-06-01 15257, 2006

      • Shepard still hasn't added his Play Bach version :(

        • 2006-06-01 15208, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        well, sure, for that one

        • 2006-06-01 15229, 2006

      • mll
        and generally, ther's something about the _original_ composer

        • 2006-06-01 15245, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        do we need some kind of AR to convey that kind of info?

        • 2006-06-01 15204, 2006

      • Shepard
        I've thought about "uses composition samples"

        • 2006-06-01 15206, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        or should we use dates

        • 2006-06-01 15207, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        or what?

        • 2006-06-01 15210, 2006

      • Shepard
        similar to sound samples

        • 2006-06-01 15216, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        classical remixes

        • 2006-06-01 15227, 2006

      • Shepard
        but that's not quite the case here..

        • 2006-06-01 15230, 2006

      • mll
        or "is inspired from"

        • 2006-06-01 15231, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        i know, i was being silly

        • 2006-06-01 15240, 2006

      • Shepard
        I mean samples

        • 2006-06-01 15255, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        oh

        • 2006-06-01 15203, 2006

      • Shepard
        samples would be more when someone uses a short part of a compisition in his song

        • 2006-06-01 15210, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        i don't know, i'd almost want to call it a "rework" or something

        • 2006-06-01 15210, 2006

      • Shepard
        this here is a rework of a composition

        • 2006-06-01 15220, 2006

      • MingVase
        compare with this http://musicbrainz.org/album/d744cca0-6f43-4855-a… (I should go see if the local CD-store has a copy, it would be interesting to see what the other tracks are like...)

        • 2006-06-01 15212, 2006

      • MingVase _thinks_ this is more or less an equivalent thing, anyway.

        • 2006-06-01 15215, 2006

      • MingVase
        MingVase is now known as MartinRudat

        • 2006-06-01 15222, 2006

      • mll
        You can go & listen to extracts at http://www.loussier.com/pages/discographie.cfm to hear for yourselves if you don't know Loussier, and compare with the original works

        • 2006-06-01 15224, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        do we have some kind of "was the source material for" AR?

        • 2006-06-01 15241, 2006

      • Shepard
        only for sound samples :/

        • 2006-06-01 15243, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        mll, i'm not disagreeing with you on those mods, i'm just wondering how we should handle albums like these

        • 2006-06-01 15202, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        because there is information about them we currently can't represent, i think

        • 2006-06-01 15210, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        other than in an annotation

        • 2006-06-01 15212, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        and that's cheating

        • 2006-06-01 15217, 2006

      • Shepard
        *g*

        • 2006-06-01 15243, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        i have two albums that are both reworks of the same source material

        • 2006-06-01 15254, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        both of them are under the performer

        • 2006-06-01 15238, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        http://www.discogs.com/release/464491

        • 2006-06-01 15248, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        http://www.discogs.com/release/550389

        • 2006-06-01 15249, 2006

      • mll
        Mingvase: on http://musicbrainz.org/album/d744cca0-6f43-4855-a…, what gets in "artist" tag with picard ?

        • 2006-06-01 15204, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        http://www.discogs.com/release/689473

        • 2006-06-01 15211, 2006

      • MartinRudat
        mII: umm... I dunno? I don't use picard (or have that release), but the first track made it fairly high in the charts, and (given I've not heard the original) seems to be a re-interpretation of barber's adagio for strings, rather than a performance.

        • 2006-06-01 15257, 2006

      • MartinRudat
        I think that it would probably have the artist for the track written to the artist tag, though.

        • 2006-06-01 15227, 2006

      • mll
        I'd hate to have my Loussier tracks under the Bach folder...

        • 2006-06-01 15205, 2006

      • mll
        When people by a Loussier CD, they don't buy some Bach interpretation. They buy a Loussier CD. obviously :)

        • 2006-06-01 15208, 2006

      • MartinRudat
        I've got my music arranged Release Artist/Release/trackumber (possible track artist) - trackname

        • 2006-06-01 15200, 2006

      • mll
        I thinc Picard doesn't allow for this

        • 2006-06-01 15209, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        we have %albumartist now

        • 2006-06-01 15219, 2006

      • mll
        beacause it writes no "release artist" tag

        • 2006-06-01 15227, 2006

      • mll
        really ?

        • 2006-06-01 15231, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        yes

        • 2006-06-01 15241, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        you could attribute the tracks to X and the album to Y

        • 2006-06-01 15249, 2006

      • mll
        only when track artist != album artist ?

        • 2006-06-01 15205, 2006

      • MartinRudat
        I'd've thought that it would write a release artist tag, or at the very least the mbid for the release artist...

        • 2006-06-01 15211, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        %albumartist works all the time

        • 2006-06-01 15207, 2006

      • mll
        Oh i see it one of my tracks:

        • 2006-06-01 15223, 2006

      • mll
        MUSICBRAINZ_ALBUMARTIST = Erik Satie

        • 2006-06-01 15229, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        comment[14]: MUSICBRAINZ_ALBUMARTIST=Kronos Quartet

        • 2006-06-01 15231, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        yeah

        • 2006-06-01 15236, 2006

      • mll
        ARTIST = Jacuqes Loussier Trio

        • 2006-06-01 15242, 2006

      • mll
        Jacques

        • 2006-06-01 15229, 2006

      • flamingcow
        how do i set album artist?

        • 2006-06-01 15241, 2006

      • mll
        Technically, that'd be OK for me, but I still think Loussier did further than just perform

        • 2006-06-01 15257, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        flamingcow, you have to move the album to the album artist, and tell it not to move the tracks to the artist

        • 2006-06-01 15205, 2006

      • flamingcow
        ah, ok

        • 2006-06-01 15214, 2006

      • mll
        flamingcow: through a various artists trick I guess

        • 2006-06-01 15204, 2006

      • flamingcow
        got some really messy funkmaster flex mixtapes to fix

        • 2006-06-01 15230, 2006

      • MartinRudat ponders... we really want something that comes between arrangement and co-composition... but does anyone have a good name for it?

        • 2006-06-01 15240, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        "rework" :P

        • 2006-06-01 15251, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        that's the best i can think of right now

        • 2006-06-01 15211, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        "rework" is pretty nebulous, though

        • 2006-06-01 15200, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        but i agree we need some new AR role for it

        • 2006-06-01 15229, 2006

      • mll
        again: "got inspired by"

        • 2006-06-01 15211, 2006

      • MartinRudat
        mII: that's even more nebulous than "rework"...

        • 2006-06-01 15248, 2006

      • nikki_ points out to martin that those are lowercase 'L's, not capital 'i's

        • 2006-06-01 15249, 2006

      • MartinRudat
        if this was techno, we could use 'remix', more or less, I'd think...

        • 2006-06-01 15210, 2006

      • MartinRudat
        nikki: I blame my font.

        • 2006-06-01 15213, 2006

      • nikki_
        somebody doesn't use a decent font :P

        • 2006-06-01 15215, 2006

      • nikki_
        yeah! :P

        • 2006-06-01 15227, 2006

      • nikki_
        mine distinguishes I from l from 1 from |

        • 2006-06-01 15234, 2006

      • nikki_
        but not O and 0 very easily :/

        • 2006-06-01 15237, 2006

      • MartinRudat
        nikki: what it's 8pt, what do you expect? =)

        • 2006-06-01 15241, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        bitstream vera mono is nice

        • 2006-06-01 15203, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        nikki, which font do you use?

        • 2006-06-01 15219, 2006

      • nikki_ likes dejavu sans mono more because it comes with way more glyphs than bitstream vera (it started out as bitstream vera though)

        • 2006-06-01 15222, 2006

      • nikki_
        hmm

        • 2006-06-01 15225, 2006

      • nikki_
        fixed?

        • 2006-06-01 15233, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        i used fixed for years

        • 2006-06-01 15243, 2006

      • nikki_
        -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal-*-18-120-100-100-c-90-iso10646-1

        • 2006-06-01 15246, 2006

      • mll often happens to be called mii and hes doesn't really care :)

        • 2006-06-01 15205, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        Rxvt*font: -*-fixed-medium-r-normal--20-*-*-*-*-*-*-*

        • 2006-06-01 15208, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        that's what i used to use

        • 2006-06-01 15218, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        but at 1600x1200

        • 2006-06-01 15231, 2006

      • nikki_
        I used this at 1600x1200

        • 2006-06-01 15232, 2006

      • MartinRudat
        I'm using DejaVu Sans Condensed, 8

        • 2006-06-01 15238, 2006

      • nikki_
        but now it's this at 1280x1024

        • 2006-06-01 15214, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        anyone tried "pragmata"

        • 2006-06-01 15221, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        supposedly it's a very good fixed-width font

        • 2006-06-01 15225, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        but it's like $100 or something

        • 2006-06-01 15233, 2006

      • nikki_
        no monospace font for irc?

        • 2006-06-01 15251, 2006

      • nikki_
        I've never heard of it

        • 2006-06-01 15209, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        http://www.fsd.it/fonts/pragma.htm