#musicbrainz

a glottal stop is a consonant

Sukun being the lattermost one

we have 8

aeiouyæøå

Its treated as a vowel though

9

Seeing as it's handled like a kasra or dammah is

Kasra, dammah and something else being the 3 arabic ones

but it's not a vowel

to you, y isnot a vovwel

From an English view, no, but it's considered one

it's *not* a vowel!

it's a consonant

to me it definitely is

it is definitely a vowle!

Arabic doesn't have an actual letter for a place a, i or u noise, it's an accent added to the consonant

Err, wtf "place2?

nightgroove: that's different, we have different sounds attached to the squiggle 'y'

hi

nightgroove: if you say the norwegian sound, even english speakers will say it's a vowel

wtf is a squiggle y?

the character

The sukun which indicates the stop in the phonetical sound is handled exactly the same as the "vowels" are

Hence why in Arabic it's considered a vowel

mustaqila: but I'm not talking about the writing system

mustaqila: I'm talking about the actual sounds used in the language

It's considered to be a vowel based on teh method in which you write it

can you say "k glottal stop t"?

To an arab that is

Okay, in English "ktb" would be nonsense, in Arabic, if accented correctly it would be a perfectly usable word

jnpoifns

in norwegian, the letters where the sound of it inside words and its name is the same, are vowels, and its sound doesn't change, c can be ss and kk ut its name is seh for example

how do you *pronounce* ktb?

Depends how you accent it

nkov[d'ssd

you're not even understanding what I'm saying

You could add a sukun, which is the stop, and that is handled as a vowel

forget how you write it

pretend arabic has no writing system

:(

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A speech sound, created by the relatively free passage of breath through the larynx and oral cavity, usually forming the most prominent and central sound of a syllable. <- the glottal stop *stops* the flow of air.

hence the name.

by its very nature it can't be a vowel

It's still treated as one though

:(

:/

I don't want to go

but I promised my mom I'd visit again

who fucking cares. most english speakers can't get their heads around w and y being vowels in other languages, despite their own language often using them as such

she says they're almost kicking her out

It's like you can't get your head around it being a vowel in arabic, albeit it wouldn't be one in English :P

no

;_;

T_T

TT_TT

the sound is not a vowel by definition

√ :((((

poor mo

hadet

please try not to argue while I'm gone

mustaqila: btw, I'd like to see some pages that say the glottal stop is really a vowel, all the ones I've seen put all the diacritics together but explain that the sukun is the *absense* of a vowel.

Hm. some albuns are not showing the image, but there is image on MB database, how can I force load?

Another thing in release Queen at The Beeb the ASIN number is right (clicking show the proper album on Amazon) but it wont show the album image on MB website.

and while I'm still irritated, english speakers would say 'y' is not a vowel, and would say words like 'sky' contain no vowels, but what's actually *pronounced*, [skai] or thereabouts, does contain vowels. arabic speakers may say a word with the sukun has a vowel, but that doesn't mean that when pronounced, it really will contain a vowel.

english speakers also say we have 5 vowels, but we really have about 14 (excluding diphthongs). people's perception of their language is altered by how they write it.

and accent, to a point

I suspect us kiwis have a few extra dipthongs compared to a very proper brit :)

yeah, the exact number of vowels depends on accent, but all varieties of english I know of have quite a few more than 5

yet the vast majority of english speakers would quickly say 5 if asked how many vowels english has

interestingly, most foreigners have a hell of a time pronouncing swedish vowels, but I found them easy

they align almost perfectly with maori

I just cant pronounce swedish r's :)

maori :o

yeah, I have a wacky accent in english these days :)

hi Freso, Kerensky97

hello

привет Shepsky.

(Because German is almost like Russian...)

O_o

sure...

I can see the cyrillic characters

but can you read them? :D

no

it says privet

it says Sherbert

I'm happy I can see it already!

mudcrow lies >(

on his bed? :P

bah, your silly language supports my sillyness

it really says Greetings

привет пастух

Greetings nikki_, that time?

пастух = shepherd, closest I could get

Oh well.

Sayonara for now.

oh, greetings Shepard

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tag schika

Hallo :)

hehehe

hm?

just wondering why you sometimes say tag and sometimes tach

mehr Abwechslung!

ah

?

froggy :o

Hm. How many tracks have to be titled in English for the release to be considered in English?

>>50%

So 50% is the magic number?

hah

how about a mixed language release?

e.g. 4 Hero - Creating Patterns

some tracks are sung in spanish