the only time I "fix" is when I get a subscription email saying someone made an edit
2007-04-25 11509, 2007
ajh
when the UI makes it easy. :)
2007-04-25 11511, 2007
cooperaa
then I go look and get annoyed and fix stuff
2007-04-25 11515, 2007
BrianFreud
we're doing 2 months on DS
2007-04-25 11534, 2007
BrianFreud
seems it'd make more sense to choose a bunch of 1 release artists,
2007-04-25 11540, 2007
BrianFreud
and make THAT the collab of the month
2007-04-25 11553, 2007
BrianFreud
and I do mean month, not 2 or 3
2007-04-25 11507, 2007
BrianFreud
if we choose 50 1 releasers each month,
2007-04-25 11515, 2007
BrianFreud
and everyone does One of them
2007-04-25 11525, 2007
BrianFreud
then the small timers get the attention they need
2007-04-25 11530, 2007
cooperaa
yup
2007-04-25 11538, 2007
BrianFreud
all DS really needs is a die hard DS fan, like me with Nirvana
2007-04-25 11545, 2007
BrianFreud
The Beatles was a special case
2007-04-25 11554, 2007
cooperaa
but, I think that might be displacing our efforts in a place that doesn't need as much attention/effort
2007-04-25 11504, 2007
BrianFreud
maybe the Grateful Dead, Beatles, Pearl Jam, and Classical need that kind of attention
2007-04-25 11511, 2007
BrianFreud
but Dire Straits???
2007-04-25 11525, 2007
BrianFreud
and 2 whole months?
2007-04-25 11535, 2007
cooperaa
are people still working on DS?
2007-04-25 11545, 2007
cooperaa
I thought the hype died down so no one updated the Wiki
2007-04-25 11547, 2007
BrianFreud
I started, but I got discouraged
2007-04-25 11554, 2007
BrianFreud
was trying to clean up the bootlegs
2007-04-25 11556, 2007
Amblin joined the channel
2007-04-25 11558, 2007
BrianFreud
there are 24 in there
2007-04-25 11510, 2007
BrianFreud
10 of them currently use bootlegstyleguide naming,
2007-04-25 11512, 2007
BrianFreud
14 don't
2007-04-25 11520, 2007
BrianFreud
I started correcting the 14 to BSG
2007-04-25 11530, 2007
BrianFreud
ppl were voting against the fixes,
2007-04-25 11552, 2007
BrianFreud
saying "BSG is only a proposal now, voting no til it's an official style"
2007-04-25 11503, 2007
BrianFreud
so instead we stay with inconsistancy
2007-04-25 11511, 2007
cooperaa
lame
2007-04-25 11515, 2007
BrianFreud
lol
2007-04-25 11529, 2007
ajh
most new people would just quit.
2007-04-25 11537, 2007
BrianFreud
I think BSG is solid enough
2007-04-25 11550, 2007
BrianFreud
What is the process for finally getting the damn thing made official?
2007-04-25 11501, 2007
cooperaa
as far as I'm concerned it's official
2007-04-25 11507, 2007
BrianFreud
if anyone disagrees with it, point them at Nirvana
2007-04-25 11535, 2007
BrianFreud
you can see, looking at Nirvana, how clean it is, using BSG and the extra Nirvana-specific rules for categorization
2007-04-25 11547, 2007
BrianFreud
(which I wrote) lol
2007-04-25 11523, 2007
BrianFreud
extra rules, btw, being: Live" refers to any album which contains only one concert or demo session, or which contains one concert/demo session plus a small number of filler tracks from other sources.
2007-04-25 11527, 2007
BrianFreud
Live" refers to any album which contains only one concert or demo session, or which contains one concert/demo session plus a small number of filler tracks from other sources.
2007-04-25 11532, 2007
BrianFreud
Studio bootlegs will be listed under the "Other" category.
2007-04-25 11554, 2007
BrianFreud
makes it clear what category each type of boot goes into
2007-04-25 11502, 2007
BrianFreud
and the display looks REALLY clean
2007-04-25 11508, 2007
cooperaa
cool
2007-04-25 11523, 2007
BrianFreud
I've been tempted to add those defs into the BSG, actually
2007-04-25 11530, 2007
BrianFreud
just haven't gotten enough comments on them yet
2007-04-25 11534, 2007
drsaunde
i disagree with listing 2 live shows together as "compilation"
2007-04-25 11538, 2007
drsaunde
that should be live
2007-04-25 11548, 2007
cooperaa
I think so to... but I'd be open to hearing your argument, BrianFreud
2007-04-25 11552, 2007
BrianFreud
well,
2007-04-25 11559, 2007
BrianFreud
the way I've been doing it,
2007-04-25 11506, 2007
BrianFreud
no one CD can ever hold 2 full shows
2007-04-25 11515, 2007
BrianFreud
if there are 2 on one CD,
2007-04-25 11526, 2007
drsaunde
if all the tracks are live then the type is live
2007-04-25 11527, 2007
BrianFreud
either you've got a SNL type show plus a real show,
2007-04-25 11529, 2007
cooperaa
it's still live though
2007-04-25 11533, 2007
BrianFreud
or they left out some
2007-04-25 11536, 2007
BrianFreud
oh, I agree,
2007-04-25 11545, 2007
BrianFreud
but right now, we have overloaded that category
2007-04-25 11552, 2007
BrianFreud
they are Live AND Compilations
2007-04-25 11507, 2007
BrianFreud
but take Outcesticide as an example
2007-04-25 11517, 2007
BrianFreud
It's 24/25 tracks, depending on the release
2007-04-25 11520, 2007
BrianFreud
every single one live
2007-04-25 11526, 2007
BrianFreud
every single one from a different concert
2007-04-25 11546, 2007
BrianFreud
to me, when I have to choose one of the two, that's a compilation, not a live
2007-04-25 11553, 2007
BrianFreud
I think of "live" as a concert
2007-04-25 11517, 2007
BrianFreud
"compilation" I think of as a mix of different *sources*, be they live, demo, studio, official, etc
2007-04-25 11520, 2007
cooperaa
same, but even official live releases can be made up of different performances
2007-04-25 11544, 2007
drsaunde
if the release was "official" it would be classified as live....I don't think there's anything in the manner of bootlegs which would make that fact change
2007-04-25 11556, 2007
BrianFreud
like I say, this is a hack, since right now we force people to choose one or the other
2007-04-25 11559, 2007
BrianFreud
when it really is both
2007-04-25 11515, 2007
BrianFreud
this definition at least makes a clean distinction
2007-04-25 11520, 2007
cooperaa
but I think primarily it is a live release
2007-04-25 11528, 2007
cooperaa
in that every song is live
2007-04-25 11536, 2007
BrianFreud
well, ok, but take an example where you have 20 tracks
2007-04-25 11539, 2007
cooperaa
if you set it as a compilation you're going to have (live) in every track title
2007-04-25 11558, 2007
BrianFreud
15 are live, from different concerts, and 5 are studio, of the 5 studio, 4 are demo, one was a b-side
2007-04-25 11502, 2007
BrianFreud
What is it?
2007-04-25 11512, 2007
cooperaa
compilation
2007-04-25 11517, 2007
BrianFreud
why?
2007-04-25 11520, 2007
cooperaa
(obviously?_
2007-04-25 11521, 2007
ajh
so, who's done a plugin to pipe missing tracks into gnutella? :)
2007-04-25 11547, 2007
BrianFreud
yes, it seems obvious, but just for the point of argument, spell it out a sec :)
2007-04-25 11553, 2007
cooperaa
why? because it is a compilation of seemingly random tracks, live, demos, studio, etc
2007-04-25 11511, 2007
drsaunde
try this brian...search for releases called "Greatest Hits Live"...see how many are live..how many are compilation
2007-04-25 11522, 2007
Amblin- has quit
2007-04-25 11552, 2007
BrianFreud
no, I know
2007-04-25 11557, 2007
cooperaa
I think Live >> Compilation like drsaunde is saying... because you can have compilations, bootlegs, etc all that are live
2007-04-25 11507, 2007
BrianFreud
Well, think of it this way
2007-04-25 11520, 2007
ajh tries to submit albums again.
2007-04-25 11520, 2007
BrianFreud
You're saying that an album that is 75% live is still a compilation.
2007-04-25 11520, 2007
cooperaa
so yes, we should maybe have sub-categories for live releases, but we don;t
2007-04-25 11540, 2007
BrianFreud
What if we make it 19 out of 20 are live, and the 1 that's not is marked (bonus track)
2007-04-25 11540, 2007
ajh
You know, having a separate server for recent submissions then just copying them into the main database might make sense.
2007-04-25 11545, 2007
BrianFreud
is it still a compilation?
2007-04-25 11548, 2007
cooperaa
unless it was originally released as a 15-track live album
2007-04-25 11504, 2007
cooperaa
and they tagged that other stuff on the end for bonus
2007-04-25 11508, 2007
cooperaa
then I'd say it's live
2007-04-25 11508, 2007
BrianFreud
ajh: you're describing the uk server
2007-04-25 11528, 2007
BrianFreud
so what is it about 15/5 vs 19/1 that makes the first a comp and the 2nd live?
2007-04-25 11539, 2007
ajh
If it's really this loaded then perhaps having something highly available would make sense.
2007-04-25 11546, 2007
ajh
if not HA/GeoDiverse.
2007-04-25 11549, 2007
BrianFreud
like I say, it's all grey, cause we're making 1 field cover 2 different categories
2007-04-25 11558, 2007
cooperaa
if the only non-live track is a bonus track, then sure, call it live
2007-04-25 11502, 2007
BrianFreud
that's why I put in a hard and fast rule
2007-04-25 11506, 2007
BrianFreud
it may not be perfect
2007-04-25 11513, 2007
BrianFreud
but it's clear and makes some sense
2007-04-25 11513, 2007
cooperaa
but if there are random tracks and random types of tracks, compilation
2007-04-25 11527, 2007
BrianFreud
well, I cover that in there too
2007-04-25 11548, 2007
BrianFreud
if you have 1 full concert, plus 5 bonus tracks from a different concert, the def treats that as Live
2007-04-25 11501, 2007
cooperaa
how is that different from two live concerts together?
2007-04-25 11505, 2007
BrianFreud
if you have 2+ partial concerts, the def treats that as compilation
2007-04-25 11512, 2007
BrianFreud
full vs partial
2007-04-25 11517, 2007
drsaunde
makes no sense to me
2007-04-25 11522, 2007
ajh
and I've been using the Uk server, but it still sends me to the other one on "lookup"
2007-04-25 11524, 2007
cooperaa
2 full live shows would be live
2007-04-25 11529, 2007
BrianFreud
yes
2007-04-25 11532, 2007
BrianFreud
agreed
2007-04-25 11536, 2007
BrianFreud
I've only run into one of those
2007-04-25 11540, 2007
cooperaa
just like two albums on one disc are still categorized as an album
2007-04-25 11544, 2007
drsaunde
and I hope in that full +5 situation you aren't using the show date of the full show in the title
2007-04-25 11544, 2007
BrianFreud
and I'm still debating how to cover it
2007-04-25 11513, 2007
BrianFreud
drsaude: luckily in every such case, the bootleg labels the +5 as bonus, so I can do it
2007-04-25 11519, 2007
BrianFreud
as per BSG
2007-04-25 11535, 2007
BrianFreud
(every such case *so far*)
2007-04-25 11501, 2007
drsaunde
is that in the guide? I don't remember that and I would remove dates from the titles in those instances
2007-04-25 11511, 2007
BrianFreud
let me find it...
2007-04-25 11542, 2007
BrianFreud
looks like it's been taken out again
2007-04-25 11504, 2007
BrianFreud
there was a section that described ignoring bonus tracks when it came to date naming
2007-04-25 11529, 2007
drsaunde
probably because it didn't make sense
2007-04-25 11556, 2007
BrianFreud
I don't agree...
2007-04-25 11500, 2007
cooperaa
I can see the argument
2007-04-25 11503, 2007
BrianFreud
I've been collecting bootlegs for 15+ years
2007-04-25 11506, 2007
drsaunde
if a show/recording date is in the bootleg title...all the tracks should be from that show
2007-04-25 11508, 2007
BrianFreud
in the bootleg world,
2007-04-25 11511, 2007
BrianFreud
right
2007-04-25 11515, 2007
BrianFreud
in the bootleg world,
2007-04-25 11517, 2007
cooperaa
okay time out
2007-04-25 11537, 2007
BrianFreud
lol
2007-04-25 11540, 2007
cooperaa
:)
2007-04-25 11506, 2007
cooperaa
I think that the date should only be used for shows or some sort of live recording that took place on that date. we all agree there I'm pretty sure
2007-04-25 11530, 2007
cooperaa
if a bootleg recording of that show was released... we would label it YYYY-MM-DD: TItle
2007-04-25 11537, 2007
ajh
The entire concept of albums is going to shift away soon anyway.
2007-04-25 11544, 2007
BrianFreud
Typically, in the bootleg world, it is expected that a disc be FULL. So if a concert ran shorter than a disc can hold, you get bonus tracks. But the disk will still normally advertise, in title, or on the cover, using the date for the main concert on the disk.
2007-04-25 11503, 2007
cooperaa
but then if (somehow) it was re-released with bonus material (perhaps the band's warmup from the day before) then I think it only makes sense to label it the same way like we do with albums
2007-04-25 11529, 2007
BrianFreud
It's like a recording of Mozart's requiem which also happens to have a single sonnet or something on it
2007-04-25 11551, 2007
cooperaa
well we do signify that in classical titles sometimes
