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looks like the LP was tuff gong too, but i'd love to take a look at my copy of the LP.

yeah, the 79 was probably tuff gong... i just never know what to do with a re-release (with extra track) by the company that bought the company that bought the label that bought the company that bought the label ... etc

jellyfish: take a look at the copy that you own (if you can find it). that's the release you're editing (i hope)

... and then play "pick-a-label" 8)

if not, a quick phone call to your public library can resolve the issuee

haha, maybe i'll give them a ring tmr morning

jellyfish: are you in the US?

UK

ah, even better

:)

yllona: try this... looks mighty helpful, and his other posts are all searching for correct details on this... http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.reggae...

and http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.reggae... for part 2

give'em a quick call. survival should be in most collections. also your library system may be searchable on line

but honestly, it's just annoying that i know the release date (exact day) cat# UPC/EAN format... just not the label!

(but i'll shut up about it now)

BrianFreud: i'm not a big fan of the "crowd sourcing" phenomenon

true, but this looks useful... "22. Survival - Bob Marley & the Wailers (1979 Island Records LP: ILPS 9542), recorded at Tuff Gong, Kingston, JA, produced by Bob Marley & the Wailers and Alex Sadkin "

jellyfish: if you've got all that info, then it will be quite easy to resolve. use the library

yeah

BrianFreud: yesh, taht is useful, and what i remember -- as just being Island in teh US. but find out if the goog group poster is referring to US release first. bob & the wailer were *huge* stars long before their msuic crossed the pond

i think their first big album hit in the carribean & africa as early as '73 / '74

i can send e-mail to one of my jamaican girlfriends, she also slighly older than I. so she'd know for sure

*older than me. sorry

lol

you'll get my nasty note in a minute ;)

hehe

BrianFreud: the goog group poster is in europe somewhere, ergo would have entirely diff releases than even the UK. jellyfish will have the closest to the original carib releases

sounds good - I just looked to see if he still exists... last post was in 94, so pretty definate he's not going to reply at that email.

BrianFreud: yep. that's good bet

BrianFreud: !!!! another no GC?!

the post from '93 was prb'ly imported from usenet...

see note :P

goog acquired the usenet archives back in '99 IIRC. my usenet id is dead too from the early days

wierd - mine is very incomplete, but I can find myself back into the 80's

BrianFreud: when goog acquired usenet you had the option of removing posts... that's waht i did

ah... I find my old posts good for a laugh every so often :P

later folks

hey Jugdish, you've been around a while, right?

no, not really

just a couple months

hmmm... any idea where this option is, or if it's even still around? Would save me SO much time c&p...

hmm, sorry i don't know

OH WOW! I just found it... and oh god does it work well!!!!

totally hidden in there :P

it's a sad day...just heard Le Tigre "Deceptacon" on a Nivea commercial

drsaunde: there are two classic stevie wonder tunes on nationally syndicated TV commercials now.

and now that george clinton has finally won back the right to all the classic parliament/funkadelic tunes, we now have p-funk in toyota commercials

kinda cool if you ask me :)

reminds me of that fit the guy playing themain char in The Doors movie throws when they used "Light My Fire" in an ad

yeah....i'm not too upset...only that deceptacon is one of my favorite suprise the room/rock the room tunes

i don't want somebody saying to me they know the song from the Nivea commercial :-)

drsaunde: there are agencies that specialize in finding music for commercials, it's actually "big business"

yeah...i wish i could be hooked up with a job like that

if you watch film/TV credits, that's the role of the "music supervisor"

i'm kind of on the fence...but I have considered putting trackspotting like this in track annotations

drsuande: non-celebrity music supervisors typically require quite a bit of "real" music experience -- should be able to read/write a musical score, have a good background in music history (like a graduate degree in musicology, or library science) and a hardcore background in music licensing wouldn't hurt either

drsaunde: i think the trackspotting is a great idea...

ascap.com can be helpful there as it lists commercial uses for a particular track

i have a great talent for picking out tracks from commercials/tv etc... :-) maybe i will start adding annotations

i use annotations quite a bit for useful trivia :)

and to further the commercials point...I'm actually looking forward to a track because of a commercial (The Donnas cover of "Safety Dance..not released yet but all over the commercials)

so there's a TV advert for marriot hotels that has licensed one of my fave (and obscure) dinah washington tracks

nice

something like a "used in tv show/movie x"?

wouldn't we have to have TV shows and movie listed then?

the track is "relax max" used for doubletree hotels from the album "swingin' with miss "D", 1956

oh, sorry, missed the comment about annotation :P

I'm so enjoying my new find in release entry... I found the option yllona

that's some nice trackspotting...you should add that...track annotation :-)

very hidden, very useful :)

eventually an AR would be nice, but we need a better source for authentication

still..we could start a trend here

well, eventually, we could use the, what's it call, folksonamy? tag that ruoak wants

yeah, i'll ad that and a couple of others mentioned above... like the stevie wonder tracks

free-form AR entry, basically

drsaunde: here's the ascap authentication for one of the stevie tracks: http://tinyurl.com/yvfdd3

eeks that's a previe, just click thru

that's still pretty cool though...i didn't realize they posted liscenced cover versions

yes,

so you can see that it's being used in a mailbox etc (now owned by UPS) commercial

and you can see a partial list of all of the "covers"

so on one evening i saw the UPS commercial several times while watching a basic bale version of a hit movie that featured the john legend "cover" of the same song as the title theme -- kinda wild....

*basic cable version of the movie "Hitch", sorry

yeah...i always find that quite cool to make discoveries like that

the commercial uses a "cover" tune also... and it gets better ... later that evening i saw another movie that used the original stevie version (1972)

i think the movie was "love potion no. 9" starring sandra bullock

john legend is good though so i'm not surprised

i like john legend, vocally he sounds an awful lot like stevie tho, he needs to settle into his own style

his covers of stevie tunes are terribly derivative of the originals... but he's also really young, so i'm hopeful :)

john legend wil have "arrived" when stevie writes an original track for him ;)

yeah..i'll concede that...covering someone you are close to emulating as it is ...isn't necessarily a good idea if your trying to carve out your own identity

:-)

maybe he'll bring him along....like Q-Tip

i love the track john legend did with sergio mendes

*mendez, rather

i saw him opening for The Roots...good show

drsaunde: while you're track spotting, look the track up on ascap/bmi... if you don't seee the advert listed, just drop a quick e-mail/phone call to the publisher listed... typically you'll get a response (rather promptly) in my experience

the roots will have "long legs" as producers, but perhaps not as perforrmers

i disagree about that...as far as hip-hop goes...nobody can match their shows

oh yes, they are *very* good performers, but the band seems to have alot of "personnel issues" ;)

yeah...true that

drsaunde: since you seem to follow rap/hip-hop also check sesac (sesac.com) which is a relative newcomer to the licensing/ publishing biz

sesac is attracting a fair amount of the hip-hop artists... you'll need o see what's waht. i don't follow hip-hop that closely

and i don't think the sesac DB is easily searchable online, tho they do answer e-mail queries

drsaunde: another good source... when you begin a search for hip-hop sampling is: http://www.the-breaks.com/

but aleay cross check with a legit source, these days *all* hip-hop albums should list sample credits.. wasn't always so. thus, the inordinate amount of litigation

ooh..that is cool though

one interesting note, the use of "live" musicians in recent hip-hop recordings... it can expensive than cross-licensing for samples... kinda funny from a circular point-of-view :-D

*can be less expensive, rather... (finally) bootlegging isn't cheap these days

thus the hip-hop artist will only have to gain clearances for composers.. not always cheap. but once you have live experienced studio musicians ... you can achieve/negotiate a composition "on the fly" -- and most successful hip-hip artists are better busisnessmen, rather than artist/musicians

true

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