#musicbrainz

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ok, in those instances i would say they should then be added to "non-album tracks", but not create an artificial

...album out of them

just because the iTunes Store wants to sell them together

Jugdish: i have full albums which are iTunes exclusive.

or well.. i have 1 and still need to get around to buying the other ;)

what makes it an "album" though?

Jugdish: that's how iTunes sells it, that's how it is marketed elsewhere.

elsewhere? if it says "iTunes Exclusive" then it's not sold elsewhere

not sold != not marketed

official bootleg, heh

oxymoron?

http://musicbrainz.org/release/32388730-17e8-4a... - here is an example of an album that was only released on itunes and nowhere else

yeah, it's a weird release.

label is set to iTunes Store? is that how we've decided to handle this?

well, if the itunes store did release it then I'd say yes

but I don't think there was any "official" decision

how do you get the release date?

from itunes

and it gives a catalog # too?

cat# is just itunes's album ID, there already were some releases under itunes store to I just followed the style

*so

ah

so what would the musicbrainz-approved title of "Live Session (iTunes Exclusive) - EP" be?

I think "Live Session" is enough

k

luks: where is that itunes' album id?

I don't know how to find it in itunes, but I know people are able to get URLs from there :/

for example

<http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/...;

woops.

luks: thanks. i clicked 'tell a friend' in itunes and got the link trhough email.

ah

so that id is used as catalog id?

I think it's the best info we have

sounds good to me

I don't like it.

How likely is it for those IDs to stay the same for, say, half a year?-)

why would they change them?

Because they haveno reason not to?

stable IDs = more money

and isn't more money the reason for running itunes store? :)

Stable IDs = not an issue, if they decide to "develop" their shop further.

That's just a fact, links rot.

And if the ID is not exactly advertised, they have no reason to keep them if they change the architecture, or just for the heck of it.

they are using the ID to link to their store

if they change it, they break many sites linking to them

which mean people won't be able to find albums and thus won't buy them

apple would go against itself

it's the same as with amazon, they have no reason to change asins

Which wouldn't be exactly the first time.

8)

But yeah, I probably won't be buying anything from them in near future, and I probably won't go checking those IDs either. I just don't like the idea of using a part of an URL, if it's not documented to stay the same.

Wanted the topic :)

luks: what happens if you try to merge an album into another album with a different number of tracks?

Uhh... if change track numbers, does the order of the tracks not update?

aCiD2: it does

aCiD2: the track change edit has to get applied for it show up

Good

It hasn't in the preview, just checking

Jugdish: the extra tracks will be moved to the other album

luks: so is it a bad idea to merge http://musicbrainz.org/release/a24d8294-a5ea-42... into http://musicbrainz.org/release/21289194-c574-47... ?

not if you remove puids and trms from 7 [untitled]

otherwise they will be moved to 7 [silence]

ok

warp, was it you who was saying removing trm's is pointless because they are going to be eliminated soon?

or just remove the track, easier :)

luks: would the removal of the track need to get applied before i do the merge edit?

yes

just post the link here, I'm sure you can get 3 votes quickly :)

k

Jugdish: er, not likely.

oh sorry, i thought you were murdos :P

does he ever come in here?

meh.. you ppl.

spent atleast half an hour buy stuff from iTunes, removing DRM, getting all info ready to enter those into musicbrainz.

damn itunes exclusives.

"yes" votes please :) http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=6810373

FauxFaux: Did you add a note?

I didn't even click the link. :p

jerks!

Jugdish: Read my note.

Freso: the "[untitled]" track is final track on the other release

Freso: do realize he is going to merge the releases?

er, +you

the other option is to add 17 "silence" tracks

luks: Yes, but that means that I'll just have to find that merge and vote no there too. :)

huh?

luks: Read my note.

Freso: merging two unrelated tracks is wrong, renamed or not

luks: If they're not the same, neither are the releases.

Freso: I understand neither of the 2 notes you added there

Freso: the real release has 17 silence tracks

somebody added it without them, because AMG doesn't list them

are you saying the bogus release should be kept?

luks: No, I just hadn't heard the magic words "bogus release" before now.

well, the first note has a link to it...

hehe

AMG actually does list them

luks: No. The first note has a link to another release, which might as well be the bogus release from where I'm sitting. Nowhere is it stated that one release or the other is non-existant.

but torrent sites wouldn't include the silence tracks and that's probably where the person who added the "bogus release" got their copy since they didn't add a DiscID to it

Freso: you're saying that this artist released to physical copies of a CD, one with 17 silence tracks and one without? does that really seem more logical than somebody obtaining their copy online with no silence tracks, and another person obtaining the actual CD with the silence tracks?

Jugdish: Unfortunately, I've found that humans are not (always) logical. :)

There's no reason at all the keep the silence tracks.

ajh: there is

ajh: Huh?

No, you compensate for the fact they could or could-not actually be there as files.

Jugdish: can you cancel the remove track edit? I'll add the silence tracks and then it can be merged

Sure keep them in the database entry.

they way the track id will be kept

luks: done

thanks luks

sigh....you skeptics making things so difficult! :P

yeah, I had to click "Add Tracks" 17 times! :)

we need a better way to add multiple tracks

luks: Open Source, for itch scratchers ;)

hm?

16:53] luks: we need a better way to add multiple tracks

luks, I second that!

I had to add 5 tracks and the re-organise, that was painful enough

the whole release editor could use more javascript

Yea

And way more async stuff... to much clicking and going to other pages

What framework is MB using?

Jquery?

Mootools is my favourite

but there isn't much code written in it, shouldn't be hard to port it

So light yet powerful

hmm, when I finish xhtml'izing the site, I might start to look into some js solutions

luks, can ubuntu display some fonts without antialiasing?

I hate looking at blurry code

only some or all of them?

morning everyone :) any update on when Alpha9 will be ready?

Only some

you will need to make a config file for that

Hmm, I swear I had some fonts (Terminius or something?) that only displayed fixed width without antialiaising

http://www.beranger.org/index.php?article=2150 looks good...