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      • BrianFreud
        that's what ruaok's for :P
      • 2007-05-01 12101, 2007

      • catgroove
        see that's how much I know :P
      • 2007-05-01 12113, 2007

      • ruaok thinks the old computer should be tossed
      • 2007-05-01 12133, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        ruaokk: I think we found a good re-purposing for stimpy
      • 2007-05-01 12134, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        lol
      • 2007-05-01 12142, 2007

      • catgroove thinks ru should get his big butt up here so mo can twap him for saying bad things about his ME machine :P
      • 2007-05-01 12104, 2007

      • ruaok
        wow. ryanair flies to oslo
      • 2007-05-01 12107, 2007

      • catgroove
        :D
      • 2007-05-01 12113, 2007

      • catgroove
        you could tke t-shirt and crack (ehe) with you
      • 2007-05-01 12114, 2007

      • yllona joined the channel
      • 2007-05-01 12125, 2007

      • catgroove
        probably be cheeper as a flight rofl
      • 2007-05-01 12134, 2007

      • catgroove
        hi yllona!
      • 2007-05-01 12145, 2007

      • yllona
        hello mo, haow are you?
      • 2007-05-01 12151, 2007

      • BrianG
        whole computers are made from bits and pieces
      • 2007-05-01 12152, 2007

      • BrianG
        :)
      • 2007-05-01 12110, 2007

      • catgroove
        I wanted to talk to you ang. those 'live jazz' things and http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/ReleaseTypeRestructur…
      • 2007-05-01 12119, 2007

      • catgroove
        yes, but I don't know where each pice and bob goes
      • 2007-05-01 12136, 2007

      • BrianG
        just glue it all in a clump
      • 2007-05-01 12137, 2007

      • ruaok
        wow. 20GBP for a flight to Oslo Torp.
      • 2007-05-01 12151, 2007

      • yllona
        mo did you write this wiki page^^?
      • 2007-05-01 12122, 2007

      • catgroove
        yllona: do you think that the jazz (and other 'played for a live audience) release should have a release attribute?
      • 2007-05-01 12125, 2007

      • catgroove
        and yes, I did
      • 2007-05-01 12148, 2007

      • catgroove
        it's the singular most work i've ever putten in a projeect on mb
      • 2007-05-01 12155, 2007

      • catgroove
        (besides amybe uriah heep)
      • 2007-05-01 12119, 2007

      • yllona
        mo: most jazz recordings marked "live" are in fact played in front of an audience, even if the audience was invited into the recording studio
      • 2007-05-01 12134, 2007

      • catgroove
        yes I noticed you said that
      • 2007-05-01 12147, 2007

      • catgroove
        I came across it when i was adding elligton releases from the library
      • 2007-05-01 12103, 2007

      • catgroove
        and the releases said 'recorded infornt of a live audience' and I thought 'live'
      • 2007-05-01 12113, 2007

      • yllona
        when i said recorded live (direct-to-tape), i meant that there's very little post-production on the recording
      • 2007-05-01 12115, 2007

      • catgroove
        (i even marked some as live, as i didn't know what was it about)
      • 2007-05-01 12121, 2007

      • catgroove
        I know what you mean
      • 2007-05-01 12141, 2007

      • catgroove
        its sort of a middle thing between live (concert) and studio album
      • 2007-05-01 12102, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        I'm running into the same with unplugged releases - they're not really either, but a middle between the two
      • 2007-05-01 12114, 2007

      • catgroove
        its a studio album, recorded in a studio, but very little pist production is done and its an audiaencethere
      • 2007-05-01 12121, 2007

      • catgroove
        it gives you 'ballroom feel'
      • 2007-05-01 12128, 2007

      • catgroove
        yes
      • 2007-05-01 12133, 2007

      • catgroove
        exactly my point
      • 2007-05-01 12148, 2007

      • warp
        goodevening!
      • 2007-05-01 12154, 2007

      • catgroove
        do you (both of you) feel like it augo have its separate category?
      • 2007-05-01 12156, 2007

      • catgroove
        hi warpen
      • 2007-05-01 12158, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        "studio with audience"?
      • 2007-05-01 12107, 2007

      • yllona
        well if there's audience participation (like applause) i would consider that a "live" recording
      • 2007-05-01 12109, 2007

      • catgroove wants to hear from yllona
      • 2007-05-01 12117, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        catgroove: that would make for a more accurate release designation
      • 2007-05-01 12130, 2007

      • catgroove
        even if it was recoded i n a studio, yllona?
      • 2007-05-01 12140, 2007

      • warp agrees with yllona
      • 2007-05-01 12145, 2007

      • yllona
        yes mo.
      • 2007-05-01 12150, 2007

      • catgroove
        I see
      • 2007-05-01 12154, 2007

      • yllona
        hang on, here an example:
      • 2007-05-01 12157, 2007

      • catgroove
        :D
      • 2007-05-01 12120, 2007

      • catgroove
        but do you thinka suboption under 'live' might be good?
      • 2007-05-01 12122, 2007

      • yllona is listening to Love For Sale by Dinah Washington from After Hours with Miss D (1953) (0:09 / 2:13.699005126953)
      • 2007-05-01 12131, 2007

      • catgroove
        I understand
      • 2007-05-01 12103, 2007

      • yllona
        this album was recorded ina record studio with an audience. due to technical limitations of the era, recording in a night club wasn't an option
      • 2007-05-01 12121, 2007

      • yllona
        was pretty common in those days
      • 2007-05-01 12134, 2007

      • catgroove
        I seeee
      • 2007-05-01 12138, 2007

      • catgroove
        I understand
      • 2007-05-01 12149, 2007

      • catgroove
        I'm erying to revamp the release options
      • 2007-05-01 12152, 2007

      • aCiD2
        ok, ready time - back in an hour!
      • 2007-05-01 12158, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        I see a difference between "studio live" and "live concert"
      • 2007-05-01 12107, 2007

      • catgroove
        and its exactly casesliek this where the current options aren't good
      • 2007-05-01 12111, 2007

      • catgroove
        I have to an option
      • 2007-05-01 12121, 2007

      • catgroove
        BrianFreud: exactly!
      • 2007-05-01 12126, 2007

      • aCiD2 has quit
      • 2007-05-01 12139, 2007

      • yllona
        BrianFreud: i don't, as long as there is audience participation
      • 2007-05-01 12105, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        yllona: but that isn't always the case
      • 2007-05-01 12124, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        MTV Unplugged, for example: there is an audience, but they are very controlled, and no interaction
      • 2007-05-01 12147, 2007

      • yllona
        MTV unplugged is decidedly "live"
      • 2007-05-01 12150, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        Simon and Garfukel live in NY Park: there is an audience, it is not controlled, there is interaction
      • 2007-05-01 12119, 2007

      • catgroove
      • 2007-05-01 12124, 2007

      • catgroove
        that is BBC sessions
      • 2007-05-01 12139, 2007

      • catgroove
        in studio, but you can definitely hear audience clapping
      • 2007-05-01 12145, 2007

      • yllona
        BrianFreud: i've not heard an MTV unplugged without audience interaction, but i've not heard them all....
      • 2007-05-01 12152, 2007

      • catgroove
        but you can also definitely hear them its only a rather small room
      • 2007-05-01 12115, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        yllona: I've seen raw tapes - not the broadcast ones - and the audience is beyond controlled :P
      • 2007-05-01 12115, 2007

      • yllona
        BBC sessions would be "live"
      • 2007-05-01 12132, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        what about Peel sessions then?
      • 2007-05-01 12138, 2007

      • catgroove
        I do thin k that a release where you can't hear an audience is just a regular studio release (does the mike-guy or the produceer coutn as audience?)
      • 2007-05-01 12141, 2007

      • yllona
        BrianFreud: i've seen the "roughs" too
      • 2007-05-01 12149, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        they're BBC sessions, studio no audience
      • 2007-05-01 12154, 2007

      • yllona
        those are rehearsal tapes
      • 2007-05-01 12159, 2007

      • catgroove
        these definitely have audience
      • 2007-05-01 12134, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        yllona: exactly - so in your case, would the rehearsal be considered "live" or "studio"? It's both
      • 2007-05-01 12159, 2007

      • yllona
        yesterday, i asked for a rehearsal type... could be an AR
      • 2007-05-01 12119, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        why be so specific though? rehearsal isn't the only case where such is true
      • 2007-05-01 12144, 2007

      • yllona
        depends on how the content is/was released. a rehearsal take could be released as an "alt take" as discussed yesterday
      • 2007-05-01 12147, 2007

      • ruaok
        ha. flight to Oslo: 20GBP. Train to airport: 23GBP. Sheesh.
      • 2007-05-01 12149, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        soundchecks... rehearsals... run throughs... the jazz examples... some BBC sessions, etc
      • 2007-05-01 12138, 2007

      • warp
        ruaok: waah, from where?
      • 2007-05-01 12158, 2007

      • warp
        GBP .. uk
      • 2007-05-01 12101, 2007

      • srotta
        Why be specific, indeed. Use "Other", or "Live", or something that seems most appropriate, and add more information into annotations, if there's something worth mentioning.
      • 2007-05-01 12102, 2007

      • ruaok
        London Liverpool to Stansted Airport.
      • 2007-05-01 12114, 2007

      • warp
        ruaok: you're visiting europe soonish?
      • 2007-05-01 12117, 2007

      • yllona
        srotta: i agree
      • 2007-05-01 12118, 2007

      • ruaok
        yes.
      • 2007-05-01 12121, 2007

      • srotta
        I don't think there's need to catalog _everything_ precisely, that's endless road.
      • 2007-05-01 12125, 2007

      • ruaok
        first two weeks of june.
      • 2007-05-01 12130, 2007

      • yllona
        that's pretty much waht i said yesterday
      • 2007-05-01 12130, 2007

      • warp
        ruaok: ah :)
      • 2007-05-01 12135, 2007

      • ruaok
        I'm contemplating vising .de, .no or .nl
      • 2007-05-01 12141, 2007

      • srotta
        ruaok: Finland?
      • 2007-05-01 12143, 2007

      • srotta
        :P
      • 2007-05-01 12155, 2007

      • ruaok
        .fi is on the list, but not this time around.
      • 2007-05-01 12100, 2007

      • ruaok
        going north is expensive.
      • 2007-05-01 12107, 2007

      • catgroove
        D:
      • 2007-05-01 12109, 2007

      • warp
        ruaok: whereabouts in .de? (.de is not that far from .nl)
      • 2007-05-01 12119, 2007

      • ruaok
        Hamburg. My hometown.
      • 2007-05-01 12127, 2007

      • ruaok
        but I'm not that keen on that option.
      • 2007-05-01 12133, 2007

      • srotta
        A friend of mine was just in London, ticket was 1 cent plus taxes :P
      • 2007-05-01 12143, 2007

      • warp
        i plan to also be in .no this year, but not in june :)
      • 2007-05-01 12149, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        lol, cost's me more than that to take a bus downtown :P
      • 2007-05-01 12101, 2007

      • ruaok
        all of my actual relatives in Hamburg have died and my .de friends will visit me in london.
      • 2007-05-01 12109, 2007

      • warp
        ruaok: ok, well, you're obviously welcome here in .nl again :D
      • 2007-05-01 12120, 2007

      • srotta
        Of course, the taxes are something like 10 euros, but it's still reasonable.
      • 2007-05-01 12121, 2007

      • ruaok
        srotta: thats EXACTLY what I am looking at.
      • 2007-05-01 12138, 2007

      • ruaok
        warp: .nl and leiden in particular is one of the possibilities.
      • 2007-05-01 12140, 2007

      • warp
        if you do visit .nl, let me know if you need anything etc..
      • 2007-05-01 12144, 2007

      • ruaok should visit Joost
      • 2007-05-01 12115, 2007

      • yllona thinks a visit to joost would be a good idea
      • 2007-05-01 12122, 2007

      • catgroove is unhappy that he doesn't have the nerve to visit you instead of you uvisiting here
      • 2007-05-01 12124, 2007

      • catgroove
        :ss
      • 2007-05-01 12128, 2007

      • yllona
        alsoa visit to amazon if you have a chance
      • 2007-05-01 12140, 2007

      • catgroove
        amazon.com? j/k
      • 2007-05-01 12156, 2007

      • yllona
        mo: yes
      • 2007-05-01 12134, 2007

      • catgroove
        erh
      • 2007-05-01 12143, 2007

      • catgroove beats nsb.com
      • 2007-05-01 12101, 2007

      • catgroove
        but really. we have railway monoployhere.. so they charge just what they like :((
      • 2007-05-01 12135, 2007

      • catgroove
        most people ljust fly instead of using railway (or they use theri car)
      • 2007-05-01 12154, 2007

      • catgroove
        cause railway is $$$$
      • 2007-05-01 12159, 2007

      • srotta
        Well, non-monopoly railways aren't that great either.
      • 2007-05-01 12154, 2007

      • catgroove
        O RLY?
      • 2007-05-01 12111, 2007

      • catgroove
        norwegian sites ARE SUX0R
      • 2007-05-01 12146, 2007

      • catgroove
        they don't have the language content set so I have to t00b about with my settings everytime I visit one
      • 2007-05-01 12124, 2007

      • warp
        are there people anywhere in the world who don't complain about their country's railway companies?
      • 2007-05-01 12145, 2007

      • ruaok
        here!
      • 2007-05-01 12146, 2007

      • srotta
        North Korea?
      • 2007-05-01 12156, 2007

      • srotta
        And ruaok.
      • 2007-05-01 12100, 2007

      • ruaok
        you can't can't call Amtrak a railway company. its a mockery.
      • 2007-05-01 12119, 2007

      • ruaok
        oh, and I think everyone is happy with the Icelandic Railway Company.
      • 2007-05-01 12135, 2007

      • warp
        ooh, never been to iceland. should visit that sometime.
      • 2007-05-01 12157, 2007

      • warp
        actually, i should visit _anything_ which isn't germany, belgium or france.
      • 2007-05-01 12110, 2007

      • warp so far hasn't travelled much :(
      • 2007-05-01 12123, 2007

      • ruaok was hoping someone would google the iceland railway company
      • 2007-05-01 12135, 2007

      • warp
        my plans so far: norway (+ germany) again this summer, UK this autumn, south korea .. some day :)
      • 2007-05-01 12140, 2007

      • srotta
        ruaok: I was just about to ask if there indeed is any railways.
      • 2007-05-01 12140, 2007

      • warp
        ruaok: it doesn't exist? :)
      • 2007-05-01 12155, 2007

      • ruaok
        yep, no such thing.
      • 2007-05-01 12116, 2007

      • srotta
        warp: There's one, service rail for hydropower plant. :D
      • 2007-05-01 12119, 2007

      • ruaok
        no point if you have 100k people in your country.
      • 2007-05-01 12124, 2007

      • warp
        "Apart from a short line used in the construction of Reykjavik harbour in the early 20th century, there have never been any railways in Iceland."