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      • cooperaa
        if I see a shitty release I'm going to fix it, not set to LQ
      • 2007-06-19 17049, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        yeah
      • 2007-06-19 17002, 2007

      • FauxFaux
        Set the editor to lq!
      • 2007-06-19 17007, 2007

      • FauxFaux
        NAUGHTY BIN FOR YOU
      • 2007-06-19 17012, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        ok, time to finally write that RFC then :)
      • 2007-06-19 17037, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        still trying to find an actual example of a previous RFC though
      • 2007-06-19 17046, 2007

      • cooperaa
        RFC for what?
      • 2007-06-19 17012, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        the data q proposal I floated in users a few weeks ago
      • 2007-06-19 17020, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        it's had more than enough time to percolate :)
      • 2007-06-19 17000, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        problem is, the wiki says how to do one, but not how it actually ought to be written
      • 2007-06-19 17018, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        not sure how "proposalese" I have to get
      • 2007-06-19 17020, 2007

      • cooperaa
        what about DQ? starting at low?
      • 2007-06-19 17022, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        yeah
      • 2007-06-19 17025, 2007

      • cooperaa
        okay
      • 2007-06-19 17032, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        needs a RFC to actually make it happen
      • 2007-06-19 17051, 2007

      • cooperaa
        just make a ChangeDefaultDataQualityProposal wiki page, say what/why you wanna
      • 2007-06-19 17021, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        is there a main page for proposals, or do they just end up their own main pages?
      • 2007-06-19 17022, 2007

      • cooperaa
        um, I guess we'll need to get a dev involved
      • 2007-06-19 17030, 2007

      • cooperaa
        add them to the proposal category
      • 2007-06-19 17038, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        well, ru said it's an easy change, he just needs it to be agreed to first
      • 2007-06-19 17043, 2007

      • cooperaa
        okay
      • 2007-06-19 17052, 2007

      • cooperaa
        well explain why/what to change on the wiki
      • 2007-06-19 17017, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        ok, I guess it's wiki day for me then today :)
      • 2007-06-19 17025, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        Rewrote my entire page in MoinMoin earlier :P
      • 2007-06-19 17058, 2007

      • cooperaa
        send a note to the mailing list saying "hey what do you think? here's why I think we should change..." please reply with your comments, after the conversation has quieted, I will summarize and put out an RFV
      • 2007-06-19 17007, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        oks
      • 2007-06-19 17038, 2007

      • cooperaa
        summarize arguments in the wiki, send out RFV saying "okay, here's the result of our discussion - please veto if you don't want this change to go thru"
      • 2007-06-19 17005, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        was thinking today, at some point, might be a good idea to go through and either kill or pass all the proposals that have been sitting in the wiki forever
      • 2007-06-19 17024, 2007

      • FauxFaux
        Well volunteered.
      • 2007-06-19 17028, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        most are being used every day as guidelines anyhow, in lue of having anything better to use
      • 2007-06-19 17045, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        hell, I wouldn't mind doing it - part of the general wiki cleanup anyhow
      • 2007-06-19 17001, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        hmmm, do you think the prelim RPC on users already satisfied the need for an RFC? Go right to RFV, or do we need another RFC on the style list?
      • 2007-06-19 17019, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        *s/RPC/RFC
      • 2007-06-19 17055, 2007

      • cooperaa
        ya I was thinking about that - don't remember the thread, but maybe
      • 2007-06-19 17045, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        hmm, perhaps safer to go RFC, but time limit to say a week (which is in line with proposedRFC :P)
      • 2007-06-19 17057, 2007

      • cooperaa
        heh
      • 2007-06-19 17020, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        see, knowing the obscure corners of the wiki is useful! :D
      • 2007-06-19 17030, 2007

      • cooperaa
        :o
      • 2007-06-19 17004, 2007

      • cooperaa
        open edits = 11990
      • 2007-06-19 17020, 2007

      • FauxFaux
        4k tracks without release dates, 6k tracks without mb tags, woe is me. :(
      • 2007-06-19 17006, 2007

      • cooperaa
        hehehehe
      • 2007-06-19 17043, 2007

      • cooperaa
        the only tracks without dates in my collection are concert recordings :D
      • 2007-06-19 17048, 2007

      • cooperaa
        (granted, I think there are three metallica bootlegs I haven't added to the db yet... so my library isn't completely tagged anymore)
      • 2007-06-19 17022, 2007

      • cooperaa
        and (lol) I'm just too lazy to add them
      • 2007-06-19 17027, 2007

      • cooperaa
        but I will right now to get it over with!
      • 2007-06-19 17057, 2007

      • yllona
        ooh, 3rd gmail outage today :P
      • 2007-06-19 17025, 2007

      • cooperaa checks his canadian gmail just fine ;)
      • 2007-06-19 17011, 2007

      • yllona
        my mail client can't connect to port 995, timing out at the googleplex
      • 2007-06-19 17057, 2007

      • cooperaa wishes his mouse had a scrollwheel that worked
      • 2007-06-19 17029, 2007

      • warp wakes up.
      • 2007-06-19 17042, 2007

      • cooperaa
        morning (?) warp
      • 2007-06-19 17058, 2007

      • warp
        yes. 5:30am.
      • 2007-06-19 17001, 2007

      • warp having breakfast.
      • 2007-06-19 17032, 2007

      • warp
        BrianFreud: what rfc are you referring to in http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=7049893 ?
      • 2007-06-19 17049, 2007

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      • Amblin has quit
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      • BrianFreud
        warp: was talking about your req for clarification on the mailinglist the other day
      • 2007-06-19 17012, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        Ok, I'd appreciate comments before I post to the style list... http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/ChangeDefaultDataQual…
      • 2007-06-19 17003, 2007

      • warp
        BrianFreud: aaah.. not really an RFC that.
      • 2007-06-19 17059, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        well, it seems to have been kinda taken as one, lol
      • 2007-06-19 17005, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        we'll see where it goes
      • 2007-06-19 17022, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        either way, that sentence need someone to finish it :)
      • 2007-06-19 17056, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        I know you especially had concerns with my proposal
      • 2007-06-19 17002, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        does this address them sufficiently?
      • 2007-06-19 17040, 2007

      • warp
        your RFC looks good, yeah
      • 2007-06-19 17024, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        Does part 1 address your concern with the terminology?
      • 2007-06-19 17010, 2007

      • warp
        did I have a concern with that?
      • 2007-06-19 17017, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        thought so...
      • 2007-06-19 17025, 2007

      • warp
        I'm fine with 'Low Data Quality' :)
      • 2007-06-19 17028, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        lol
      • 2007-06-19 17045, 2007

      • warp
        my concern was mostly with the automatic degrading of releases into that.
      • 2007-06-19 17048, 2007

      • BrianFreud goes to post to style
      • 2007-06-19 17015, 2007

      • warp
        but I now see how you propose to do that,.. unverified edits make a release as a whole unverified eventually.
      • 2007-06-19 17022, 2007

      • warp
        that seems fine.
      • 2007-06-19 17043, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        right
      • 2007-06-19 17006, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        yeah, that's the complex part... hesitiated yet again to include it, but it seems needed for the whole thing to make sense
      • 2007-06-19 17014, 2007

      • warp
        well
      • 2007-06-19 17027, 2007

      • warp
        i think that would be fine as a sort of phase 2 RFC
      • 2007-06-19 17054, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        That's why I broke it into 4 line items, so each part can be handled as a separate RFC, if we really end up having to
      • 2007-06-19 17017, 2007

      • warp
        setting unverified Add Release edits to Low Data Quality or Unverified is the important bit for now IMO, and not many people would object to it.
      • 2007-06-19 17022, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        yeah
      • 2007-06-19 17038, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        I'll write the style post such that #3 is separable
      • 2007-06-19 17039, 2007

      • warp
        maybe it would be better to RFC that first, because i'm pretty sure it would get in.
      • 2007-06-19 17052, 2007

      • warp
        ok, good
      • 2007-06-19 17011, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        :)
      • 2007-06-19 17021, 2007

      • SenRepus
        do OC ReMix not follow capitalization standards with "the" and a, etc?
      • 2007-06-19 17035, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        not sure... isn't there a special page for those, with some special rules for them?
      • 2007-06-19 17045, 2007

      • SenRepus
        search wiki
      • 2007-06-19 17058, 2007

      • SenRepus
        im so bogged down i can hardly edit in track times
      • 2007-06-19 17010, 2007

      • yllona has quit
      • 2007-06-19 17040, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        massive # of NATs today?
      • 2007-06-19 17050, 2007

      • cooperaa
        I see no reason why OCReMixes should not follow StandardCaps
      • 2007-06-19 17006, 2007

      • SenRepus
        neither did i cooperaa but i keep finding bad caps in them
      • 2007-06-19 17019, 2007

      • SenRepus
        no brian, adding track times to NATS
      • 2007-06-19 17041, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        ouch
      • 2007-06-19 17043, 2007

      • cooperaa
        perhaps ppl too worried about the style that they forgot the standard cap rules :)
      • 2007-06-19 17051, 2007

      • warp
        oc remixes in MB are a bit useless right now :/
      • 2007-06-19 17024, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        yeah, remixes in general, esp the &&& vs vs vs ones, all the various rules get... confuddling
      • 2007-06-19 17059, 2007

      • SenRepus
        basicly downloading anything i cant find times for on a page
      • 2007-06-19 17001, 2007

      • SenRepus
        then deleting it
      • 2007-06-19 17023, 2007

      • warp
        cooperaa: consistentoriginaldata may apply (as described on http://musicbrainz.org/doc/StylePrinciple)
      • 2007-06-19 17028, 2007

      • warp
        anyway, i'm off to work
      • 2007-06-19 17034, 2007

      • warp
        bye!
      • 2007-06-19 17024, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        cya warp
      • 2007-06-19 17023, 2007

      • BrianG
        how do you apply edits on test.mb quickly?
      • 2007-06-19 17008, 2007

      • BrianG
        nvm.
      • 2007-06-19 17024, 2007

      • VxJasonxV
        I don't like the new artist matcher thing
      • 2007-06-19 17035, 2007

      • VxJasonxV
        nor the assumption that: "If they didn't set the artist, it's a new one"
      • 2007-06-19 17007, 2007

      • baijiutong has quit
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      • SenRepus has quit
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      • VxJasonxV
        well, I kinda do like it. But it's too many clicks :P
      • 2007-06-19 17041, 2007

      • VxJasonxV
        especially when I could completely keyboard the old one
      • 2007-06-19 17046, 2007

      • cooperaa
        you don't have to do that for t he artist
      • 2007-06-19 17047, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        lol, MUCH better than it used to be
      • 2007-06-19 17053, 2007

      • VxJasonxV
        you think so?
      • 2007-06-19 17056, 2007

      • VxJasonxV
        cooperaa, eh?
      • 2007-06-19 17001, 2007

      • cooperaa
        ya
      • 2007-06-19 17009, 2007

      • cooperaa
        if you don't do the matcher, it will do a search for that artist
      • 2007-06-19 17016, 2007

      • VxJasonxV
        I don't seem to recall that happening
      • 2007-06-19 17028, 2007

      • VxJasonxV
        I seem to recall that even with a bit for bit EXACT artist name match, it wanted me to add a new one
      • 2007-06-19 17032, 2007

      • VxJasonxV
        I could be remembering incorrectly though
      • 2007-06-19 17042, 2007

      • cooperaa
        did for me this afternoon.. typed "Tides" and didn't do the matcher. next page had to select which Tides
      • 2007-06-19 17057, 2007

      • VxJasonxV
        hmmm
      • 2007-06-19 17002, 2007

      • cooperaa
        can I get some yes votes s'il vous plait? http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=7057889
      • 2007-06-19 17011, 2007

      • VxJasonxV
        well, maybe I'll try it again when I try to finish off the Dancemania discog.
      • 2007-06-19 17016, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        yes, if you forget the matcher, it does it the old way
      • 2007-06-19 17022, 2007

      • VxJasonxV
        Then I have to move onto Trancemania and Hime Trance _-_
      • 2007-06-19 17028, 2007

      • VxJasonxV
        :P
      • 2007-06-19 17032, 2007

      • cooperaa
        lol
      • 2007-06-19 17044, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        lol
      • 2007-06-19 17008, 2007

      • VxJasonxV
        curse them for rapidly putting out... so many good compilations :(
      • 2007-06-19 17041, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        Toshiba puts out?
      • 2007-06-19 17044, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        ;)
      • 2007-06-19 17056, 2007

      • VxJasonxV
        :P
      • 2007-06-19 17059, 2007

      • VxJasonxV
        saw that coming
      • 2007-06-19 17020, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        meh, it's IRC, what can you say :D
      • 2007-06-19 17046, 2007

      • BrianFreud
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      • cooperaa
        hm
      • 2007-06-19 17019, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        yet he added a label with very thorough info... :P
      • 2007-06-19 17040, 2007

      • ojnkpjg
        looks like "stars at studio 99" is some kind of cheesy cover outfit
      • 2007-06-19 17056, 2007

      • ojnkpjg
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      • ojnkpjg
        i think these are the sort of cds that are sold at supermarkets
      • 2007-06-19 17004, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        sure
      • 2007-06-19 17032, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        but even those have artists - he even says it has abbreviated artists... he just set the entire thing to unknown instead
      • 2007-06-19 17050, 2007

      • cooperaa
        !asin B00008OWZC
      • 2007-06-19 17053, 2007

      • YAUB
        cooperaa: ASIN: B00008OWZC; UPC: 075678358722; Country: U.S. and Canada; Label: Atlantic / Wea; Year: 2003; Title: How The West Was Won; Artists: Led Zeppelin
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      • cooperaa has quit
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      • BrianFreud
        whoa... anyone know who bench12345 is?
      • 2007-06-19 17039, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        he just popped up with 1800 open edits...