22:19 PM
ruaok
yep.
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cooperaa
heh, I wish I came in 5 mins ago :)
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dholmes
Excellent choice in language at least. Some of us started with C :P
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ruaok
BASIC here.
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ruaok
but I gave that up fast.
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cooperaa
TURING!!
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ruaok
assembly.
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cooperaa
put "Hello World"
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dholmes
Yeah, actually, I sorta started with gwbasic, but that doesn't really count 'cause I was like 5 years old and my programs were a joke =D
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luks
ooh, BASIC
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ojnkpjg <- logo
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ojnkpjg
but i was 3
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dholmes
Oh yeah, some of that too =D
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ojnkpjg
C was my first real language
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yllona used logo :)
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catgroove
arg why does not \n or \newline work
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catgroove
(don'tr answer that)
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ruaok
pascal was my first real language.
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ruaok
but the first language that I wrote meanigful programs in would be C.
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Freso
catgroove: Learning Python? :)
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luks
I had really hard times switching from "safe" pascal strings to C pointers
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dholmes
That's why in a way, I think starting with C is easiest in the long run
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ojnkpjg
me, too
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22:23 PM
ruaok
like playing with razor blades.
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ojnkpjg
i learned C hacking early linux 2.0 up :/
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dholmes
I always enjoyed relaxing while my classmates struggled with C because they learned something like PHP
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catgroove was gonna jokingly say 'me cheats using print "1 0 1" n "0 1 0" n "1 0 1"' but since have found that doesn't work grmpfh
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ojnkpjg
learning anything after you've mastered C is a week-long activity
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catgroove
so much for my joke
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ruaok
catgroove: pretty clever.
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ruaok
until I'll tell you to read a number to determine the size of the square.
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dholmes
catgroove: I've found that actually works in some graduate-level computer science classes. You can often tell when the TAs never actually look at your code
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catgroove
I don't understand your sentence ru ;)
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catgroove
'read a number' ?
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ruaok
read a number from stdin (keyboard).
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ruaok
if 4 make the square 4x4.
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ruaok
if 5... make 5x5
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ruaok
...
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catgroove
so its 3?
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Aankhen``
Mmm, Python.
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catgroove
or 6?
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catgroove
1 space 0 etc
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cooperaa
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Aankhen``
catgroove: `print` takes a string. "\n" is simply a part of that string, not an additional operator.
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catgroove
ok
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Jugdish
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Aankhen``
catgroove: So to say hello followed by a newline, that'd be: print "hello\n"
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catgroove
ok
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cooperaa
Jugdish: I second that ;)
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catgroove
don't tell me then i'm supposed to figure it out by myself :P
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luks
Aankhen``: that prints two newlines ;)
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Aankhen``
Heh, okay.
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catgroove
also rss feed and no email yes plz
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22:27 PM
Aankhen``
luks: Meh, whatever. :-P
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22:27 PM
cooperaa
but first, I'd like all comments on an edit to be replies so they show up in context in gmail ;)
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22:27 PM
Jugdish is tired of being emailed about his own edits to his subscribed artists :/
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22:27 PM
Aankhen`` is not such a huge fan of Python.
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ojnkpjg
python is a nice first language to learn
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ojnkpjg
it's clean
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Aankhen``
Oh, definitely.
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dholmes
It's a nice last language to learn, too, if you ask me =D
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Aankhen``
I've pointed two of my friends so far at Python.
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ojnkpjg
easy last language to learn
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Aankhen``
I just don't like it all that much myself.
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catgroove
lol print "1 0 1\n" "0 1 0\n" "1 0 1" did it, but that's *not it* and i *know* that
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22:28 PM
ruaok wants to smack the smashing pumpkins
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ruaok
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Jugdish
heh, saw that
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chillware
anyone know when luks is gonna take picard out of alpha? seems to be running pretty stable these days..\
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22:29 PM
Aankhen``
ruaok: Jeez.
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Aankhen``
(Smashing Pumpkins)-- # jackasses
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Aankhen``
(Smashing Pumpkins)-- # jackasses
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ojnkpjg
what label are they on
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Jugdish
(Smashing Pumpkins) -= MAX_INT
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Jugdish
does that work?
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Aankhen``
Nah.
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ojnkpjg
probably more the label's doing than theirs
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22:30 PM
ojnkpjg
i quit buying anything on RIAA labels totally
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ojnkpjg
and sold off everything i did own
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22:30 PM
Aankhen``
ojnkpjg: Can't be done without their consent (whether joyous or contracted).
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22:31 PM
BrianFreud
hmmm, how do I get python to print on the same line?
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22:31 PM
dholmes
BrianFreud, put a comma after the string, I think
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22:31 PM
BrianFreud
ok, thanks
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22:31 PM
cooperaa
"My god, you have to go to Target (and only Target!) to get the version with the title track! That just ain't right." hahahahahahaha
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Aankhen``
O_O
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ojnkpjg
eh, i always thought that band sucked, anyway
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22:34 PM
drsaunde really likes Siamese Dream...and none of the other releases really
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cooperaa has quit
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BrianFreud
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ruaok
yay.
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22:36 PM
FauxFaux
An ugly picture of catgroove? Not sure I want to look..
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22:36 PM
ruaok
no someone rewrite this using a lambda function.
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ruaok
now
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BrianFreud
lol
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22:36 PM
FauxFaux
Aaah, python, it burns!
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Aankhen``
Python's lambdas are pathetic. :-\
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22:37 PM
BrianFreud
I'm sure there's a way to do it in half the lines :(
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dholmes
I'm not sure using a lambda could help in any way for this particular problem
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BrianFreud
well, if it didn't have to always be checkerboard no matter the n, I can think of a less lines solution
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22:38 PM
BrianFreud
would break on all even number ns
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Jugdish
[15:36:16] Cannot connect to server.
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Jugdish
ridicurous
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BrianFreud
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FauxFaux
lambda x: return x*2
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dholmes
If you haven't studied functional programming before, then I doubt I can
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Aankhen``
BrianFreud: Lambdas are just anonymous functions.
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Aankhen``
def double: x*2
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Aankhen``
Equivalent to: lambda x: return x*2
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Aankhen``
Er, wait, double probably needed a return to.
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Aankhen``
Anyway.
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Aankhen``
They're the same except that the lambda doesn't have a name.
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BrianFreud
dholmes: unfortunately all was imperative programming :(
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Aankhen``
You can just stick it in a variable or pass it as a function argument or whatever you want.
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ojnkpjg
lambda's useful for builtins like map and filter
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ojnkpjg
not so much elsewhere
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Aankhen``
Needs moar Lisp. ;-)
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luks
and you are usually better using list comprehensions for that in python...
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BrianFreud
lol... C, C++, Java, VBA, assembly... no Lisp/Ruby/etc experience whatsoever
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dholmes
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FauxFaux
Needs more js.
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ojnkpjg
if you're using python 2.4, yeah
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Aankhen``
I love JS, but lately it irritates me a lot.
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BrianFreud still trying to understand what Aankhen`` said :P
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Aankhen``
LOL.
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luks
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Aankhen``
BrianFreud: Okay, do you understand what this is: def double(x): return x
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ojnkpjg
brianfreud, e.g., map(lambda x: True, xrange(3)) -> [ True, True, True ]
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dholmes
Shit, now you're making me look bad =D
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BrianFreud
ojnkpjg: So it's basically a function you can map onto a matrix?
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dholmes
Though that's sorta cheating by making the code unreadable, cramming those for loops in one line =D
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luks
heh
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FauxFaux
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Aankhen``
ROTFL.
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BrianFreud
you're all evil
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BrianFreud
lol
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juhae
helan g�r
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BrianFreud likes his program... it works
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BrianFreud
lol
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BrianFreud
what does the % in str(j % 2) do?
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luks
modulo
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BrianFreud
ah, ok
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ruaok
whenever you hear checkerboard, you should think modulo
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catgroove
args
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BrianFreud
yeah, I was... just didn't know how to pull it off
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catgroove
don't postthe solutino in here, i'll get to tempting
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BrianFreud
lol
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catgroove has to clear the buffer
