#musicbrainz

FauxFaux: i agree on something local. but i could care less about what others think ;)

Speaking of which, gah, die windows explorer.

don't be

it's my music, and if i didn't like it, it wouldn't be in my collection

i think you got some good feedback

ruaok: I fear that in the long run it will result in bad publicity...

if it does, we turn it off.

simple.

frankly i don't see the point, but if it's just an experiment -- go for it.

RATINGS ARE ONLY A MEANS TO THE END.

anyway, yes, as BrianG said, no offence to anyone working on these systems! It is a cool work that shows how powerful mb is becoming. It's just the PR side that worries me ;)

PRIMUS SUCKS WOO

ruaok: what's the end game then?

filtering

collaborative filtering

I honestly can't see how ratings can give a bad public image

I mean, you're encouraging community participation on yet another level, how is that bad?

oh, and why would collaborative filtering algorithms be necessary in MB?

because MB isn't going to be all factual

aCiD2: burn-out? :)

or something

yllona: what do you mean?

yllona: necessary. not at all.

useful, yes.

by collaboraitve filtering you can break the DB into logical chunks.

BrianG: Sure, but it's not like we're deleting our factual data, and gonna start capitalising our "the"s in track titles or anything :P

I want to edit on music I like and similar music.

ruaok: okay. perhaps you can explain it to me over a beer. i'm at loss for this one. carry on

don't make me peer review the crap I don't know/like.

I'm with rob there, that's a major hurdle I hit when I wanted to start voting

and for some reason i can't type in those artists i like :P

I was like, wtf - I can't speak japanese, how am I meant to rate that!?

ruaok: ah right. might be useful to some users, not to me.

its one of the chief complains I've gotten from day one.

aCiD2: yeah that could be cool

and, really if you look at the goal of MB....

why not search for the artist you like & just subscribe?

we're here to collect information about music.

ruaok: i always just voted/edited my subscriptions, and not much else :)

ruaok: can't you get the data from last.fm recommended/similar artists?

i'm still not getting it.

and how the entities we have relate to one another is an important aspect of that.

gioele: no, last.fm doesn't share data.

user ratings are useless for that type of data

just take alook at the last.fm global tag "jazz".

yllona: never mind. we'll talk over a beer.

:D

ruaok: contracts, lawyers... all that stuff? 8)

more like competitive advantage.

yllona: well, I'm subscribed to about 200 artists, but I still hardly get to peer review, because my musical taste is apparently pretty niche

RJ promised data sharing many years ago.

I get some stuff, but nothing much

but since money has come into last.fm that idea went out the window.

screen scraping forever!

I guess thats why he hasn't looked me in the eye in 3 years.

aCiD2: i'm in the same boat. but i've found like-minded folk. dmmpanda, for one. he' sawesome

ruaok: :/

ruaok: well, atleast they'll be a paying customer soonish, right? :)

hopefully.

but they will never be a data partner.

so, if this type of data isn't out there, who is going to make it avalabile in a trusted manner?

ruaok: there we go, time for a new _free_ last.fm (with tags, ratings, whatever) under the Musicbrainz foundation?

gioele: no that is certainly not what we're about.

I don't want to stream music/videos.

let the last.fm boys deal with that.

I want good data about music.

factual and non factual. it just has to work.

and I am willing to try and fail.

and if ratings fail, then so be it.

and get recommendations on what I might like

ha

ruaok: ok, then what about renaming "rate this artist", that sounds like "I give you this mark", to "I like this artist 5/10"

gioele: ahh, now that is useful feedback. :)

You are getting the same data, but you're showing it in a different way

nomenclature is very important. and we haven't nailed this yet.

sharon just put the VERY first version of this together.

ruaok: okay

Sharon: look for an email in a few minutes.

for the actual rating process, do you guys like the drop down or would you prefer to see radio buttons?

one click ratings

I'd prefer a list of stars are something

and I click the star I want

ruaok: one of those imdb-like stars?

i'd prefer a list of LOLcats

Also, inlined with the release page, and submitted via ajax

BrianG: Careful, you'll set Muz off

:P

ruaok: familiar with the ebay feedback rating interface?

ah gawd no, not the stars :(

yllona: Why?

yllona: just turn the feature off and you don;'t have to look at it.

I find them very intuitive, and it only takes one click and it's all done

ruaok: okay. will do.

people are made of stars

no click, click to submit

no submit

just click

:)

er what you said

ha

gioele: sounds like the imdb stars are similar to the ebay feedback stars.

But I really do think it needs to be inlined

could use a nice keyboard interface though. not everyone likes mice.

gioele: That doesn't look like it uses radio fields in the background

Imo, it needs to have an accessible backend - and I vote for a set of radio fields stylied into stars with CSS

i'm not going to rate things if i have to click a lot

exactly

that's why I think it needs to be inlined too

okay, my last thought on the subject. why not use the amzn recommendation engine (it's in the API) -- and generate some much needed revenue

aCiD2: if you'd like to code a star system I'd LOVE YOU!

what about this http://komodomedia.com/blog/index.php/2006/01/0... with radio instead of <li>?

haha

(and forgive the chocolate you owe me. :) )

I can't choose rob!

gioele - that's a good one, I've used it before

aCiD2: then get hacking. :)

aCiD2: please look at the amzzn mturk or ECS API first. no need to re-invent the wheel

:)

yllona: ok

ECS?

I'll just finish some changes to make Aaron happy

mturk would be an incredible fit for this, actually

ECS == ecommerce services

one sec & i'll get the mturk link for you. it's good stuff

thanks

aCiD2: here ya go, mturk: http://www.amazon.com/Mechanical-Turk-AWS-home-...

aCiD2: mturk is set up as a "for fee" service, but it's not a requirement. read it thru and you'll what's what :)

Get your folder script working,a cnakibfnm?

Um, aCiD2.

rofl

no

cause my postgres doesn't like "Create View"

I reserve the right to not be able to type.

if you can open your db, I can finish it :)

so yllona, mturk is a massive marketplace api?