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      • SenRepus
        they arent all production though, as he as adding them as
      • 2007-09-01 24451, 2007

      • luks
        yeah
      • 2007-09-01 24455, 2007

      • Sarah
        Sarah is now known as Sarahhh
      • 2007-09-01 24407, 2007

      • SenRepus
        he has 3000 edits plus so far and is on K
      • 2007-09-01 24417, 2007

      • SenRepus
        i dont really think we should be allowing this
      • 2007-09-01 24432, 2007

      • luks
        we probably need some limit on the number of open edits
      • 2007-09-01 24450, 2007

      • SenRepus
        if anyone else wants to talk about this, the first add where we are kind of talking is http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=7446488
      • 2007-09-01 24405, 2007

      • SenRepus
        have you sent an email?
      • 2007-09-01 24415, 2007

      • luks
        not yet
      • 2007-09-01 24451, 2007

      • SenRepus
        please do here soon, im a little bad at being nice so I think it would be better for you to
      • 2007-09-01 24456, 2007

      • SenRepus
        ask him to stop or something
      • 2007-09-01 24405, 2007

      • luks
        ok
      • 2007-09-01 24438, 2007

      • SenRepus
        at least try to get him to wait so we can get some more information from him
      • 2007-09-01 24423, 2007

      • SenRepus
        i saw one spot where he added "[label] US" and "[label] USA"
      • 2007-09-01 24437, 2007

      • brianfreud joined the channel
      • 2007-09-01 24453, 2007

      • Freso
        3285 open edits...
      • 2007-09-01 24415, 2007

      • luks
        ok, mail sent
      • 2007-09-01 24429, 2007

      • Sarahhh has quit
      • 2007-09-01 24437, 2007

      • SenRepus
        so lets say he never stops and adds 12000 labels
      • 2007-09-01 24439, 2007

      • Freso
      • 2007-09-01 24401, 2007

      • luks
        I can find only 4-track version of that EP
      • 2007-09-01 24404, 2007

      • SenRepus
        ill leave a further note
      • 2007-09-01 24451, 2007

      • luks
        if he adds 12k labels then I'll probably need to add the clean up script for labels to automatically delete the empty ones
      • 2007-09-01 24418, 2007

      • Freso
        Wouldn't that be a good idea anyway?
      • 2007-09-01 24428, 2007

      • Freso
        We don't keep empty artists either.
      • 2007-09-01 24438, 2007

      • copper
        how does someone make thousands of edits?
      • 2007-09-01 24446, 2007

      • luks
        I didn't want to do that from start
      • 2007-09-01 24446, 2007

      • brianfreud
        easily :)
      • 2007-09-01 24451, 2007

      • copper
        nervous breakdown?
      • 2007-09-01 24457, 2007

      • Freso
        copper: Programmatically?
      • 2007-09-01 24402, 2007

      • juhae
      • 2007-09-01 24433, 2007

      • SenRepus
        i want to vote no on his edits
      • 2007-09-01 24451, 2007

      • copper
        Is there a "No fucking way" option?
      • 2007-09-01 24423, 2007

      • juhae
      • 2007-09-01 24400, 2007

      • brianfreud
        someone being naughty?
      • 2007-09-01 24410, 2007

      • SenRepus
        he is not using discogs or http://www.lamediatheque.be/mp3/index.php?action=… which is the only result for one of his early adds on google
      • 2007-09-01 24421, 2007

      • SenRepus
        "0101 / The Parallel Series" had only that site
      • 2007-09-01 24435, 2007

      • SenRepus
      • 2007-09-01 24443, 2007

      • brianfreud
        holy hell
      • 2007-09-01 24443, 2007

      • SenRepus
        see open edits
      • 2007-09-01 24453, 2007

      • luks
        I though he is using juno.co.uk
      • 2007-09-01 24459, 2007

      • SenRepus
        i was on my way to NAT adds and saw 3000 more edits since my last visit
      • 2007-09-01 24400, 2007

      • brianfreud
        looks like he's just going through a script of labels
      • 2007-09-01 24406, 2007

      • luks
        but there are some labels not even there
      • 2007-09-01 24417, 2007

      • SenRepus
        Type: Production on every single one
      • 2007-09-01 24417, 2007

      • brianfreud
        and modbot doesn't clean up empty labels atm
      • 2007-09-01 24442, 2007

      • SenRepus
        one every 30 seconds or so? and he isnt stopping
      • 2007-09-01 24453, 2007

      • copper
        10 seconds even
      • 2007-09-01 24455, 2007

      • brianfreud
        kind of looks like this list: http://www.rare-records.com/music/labels/L
      • 2007-09-01 24406, 2007

      • juhae
        wicked
      • 2007-09-01 24439, 2007

      • SenRepus
        nope doesnt have the 0101 label
      • 2007-09-01 24422, 2007

      • brianfreud
        21 edits accepted, 8 auto edits, 3343 open edits :P
      • 2007-09-01 24426, 2007

      • SenRepus
        can i start voting no >.>
      • 2007-09-01 24442, 2007

      • brianfreud
        I'm half tempted to, just for lack of any urls
      • 2007-09-01 24450, 2007

      • luks
        but please don't vote down all of the edits
      • 2007-09-01 24456, 2007

      • brianfreud
        problem is, even if they get voted down, they still stay
      • 2007-09-01 24459, 2007

      • brianfreud
        we tested it
      • 2007-09-01 24402, 2007

      • luks
        one no vote is enough to make sure they won't get added
      • 2007-09-01 24408, 2007

      • luks
        but I want to approve some of them
      • 2007-09-01 24409, 2007

      • brianfreud
        add label edits, even if they fail, the label remains
      • 2007-09-01 24413, 2007

      • SenRepus
        ... what brian?
      • 2007-09-01 24416, 2007

      • SenRepus
        good god
      • 2007-09-01 24419, 2007

      • SenRepus
        someone stop him
      • 2007-09-01 24433, 2007

      • brianfreud
        it takes a remove label edit to actually get rid of one, once somone has created it
      • 2007-09-01 24442, 2007

      • copper calls Jack Bauer on a secure line
      • 2007-09-01 24408, 2007

      • warp
        i vote for having empty labels removed by modbot, like artists
      • 2007-09-01 24417, 2007

      • brianfreud
        so every time you make a label, realize there's a typo, cancel, and recreate, the original typo version remains
      • 2007-09-01 24421, 2007

      • warp
        brianfreud: that sound like a nasty bug.
      • 2007-09-01 24424, 2007

      • warp
        sounds
      • 2007-09-01 24435, 2007

      • brianfreud
        we tested every permutation on test a while back...
      • 2007-09-01 24444, 2007

      • brianfreud
        only ways to get rid of em are merge or remove
      • 2007-09-01 24419, 2007

      • brianfreud
        so even if everyone n-bombed his edits,
      • 2007-09-01 24419, 2007

      • luks
        no need to test, would be enough to ask me :)
      • 2007-09-01 24424, 2007

      • brianfreud
        the edits will fail,
      • 2007-09-01 24428, 2007

      • brianfreud
        but the labels will remain
      • 2007-09-01 24447, 2007

      • brianfreud
        lol, we were bored luks :D
      • 2007-09-01 24459, 2007

      • warp
        haha
      • 2007-09-01 24412, 2007

      • brianfreud
        btw luks, warp, did you see my protos for album view?
      • 2007-09-01 24420, 2007

      • luks
        yes, I don't like it
      • 2007-09-01 24424, 2007

      • brianfreud
        lol
      • 2007-09-01 24429, 2007

      • brianfreud
        what don't you like?
      • 2007-09-01 24434, 2007

      • brianfreud
        I am very flexible on it
      • 2007-09-01 24434, 2007

      • luks
        big album cover
      • 2007-09-01 24435, 2007

      • luks
        s
      • 2007-09-01 24440, 2007

      • SenRepus
        luks: i dont see a reason to yes any of these, especially if you guys are going to make bot delete empty ones
      • 2007-09-01 24451, 2007

      • brianfreud
        well, the idea is that album cover size be adjustable in prefs
      • 2007-09-01 24404, 2007

      • brianfreud
        so if you wanted half that size, or twice that size, you could set it such
      • 2007-09-01 24406, 2007

      • luks
        not all releases will have cover images
      • 2007-09-01 24421, 2007

      • brianfreud
        hence the "No cover image available"
      • 2007-09-01 24428, 2007

      • brianfreud
      • 2007-09-01 24438, 2007

      • luks
        that's the point
      • 2007-09-01 24456, 2007

      • luks
        I don't want to see artist page with 10 "No cover image available" images
      • 2007-09-01 24459, 2007

      • luks
        and nothing else
      • 2007-09-01 24402, 2007

      • brianfreud
        luks: yes, and half the point is that then ppl would be incentivized to add the image urls...
      • 2007-09-01 24408, 2007

      • warp
        brianfreud: i commented on it yesterday.
      • 2007-09-01 24444, 2007

      • brianfreud
        we could only show those with art... but that seems worse than presenting them all, and allowing ppl to add the missing art
      • 2007-09-01 24444, 2007

      • copper
        icentivized?
      • 2007-09-01 24458, 2007

      • brianfreud
        given a reason to do something
      • 2007-09-01 24459, 2007

      • copper
        icentivicized
      • 2007-09-01 24405, 2007

      • luks
        there is no good way to add album art
      • 2007-09-01 24407, 2007

      • copper
        icentivided
      • 2007-09-01 24408, 2007

      • SenRepus
        made up word?
      • 2007-09-01 24409, 2007

      • luks
        not all albums are on amazon
      • 2007-09-01 24417, 2007

      • brianfreud
        coverart ar...
      • 2007-09-01 24420, 2007

      • warp
        brianfreud: we can't add cover art for a LOT of albums.
      • 2007-09-01 24445, 2007

      • brianfreud
        warp, unless we lose the archive.org method, seems to me, there's no release that can't have art...
      • 2007-09-01 24450, 2007

      • warp
        brianfreud: for those we can, i think most ppl are doing a good job already.. an incentive doesn't seem particularly neccesary.
      • 2007-09-01 24454, 2007

      • luks
        using archive.org to use copyrighted images is something we should get rid of
      • 2007-09-01 24403, 2007

      • luks
        not encourage people to use it
      • 2007-09-01 24422, 2007

      • brianfreud
        well, I promised ru I'd not add any til he heard more from the lawyer - seems it's back in flux again
      • 2007-09-01 24456, 2007

      • brianfreud
        google is pushing hard to allow it though
      • 2007-09-01 24457, 2007

      • SenRepus
        that who archive thing seems like a bad plan to me too
      • 2007-09-01 24457, 2007

      • luks
        I'd very much prefer if we can upload for example max. 130x130 images
      • 2007-09-01 24404, 2007

      • copper
        ew
      • 2007-09-01 24407, 2007

      • brianfreud
        that would be fine with me
      • 2007-09-01 24413, 2007

      • luks
        I doubt somebody could see such small images as a copyright violation
      • 2007-09-01 24413, 2007

      • warp
        ruaok was also planning to talk to some archive.org guy about it. not sure where/when, perhaps at burning man?
      • 2007-09-01 24416, 2007

      • brianfreud
        hell, 100x100 would work
      • 2007-09-01 24428, 2007

      • copper
        what's the point?
      • 2007-09-01 24432, 2007

      • brianfreud
        the images in that screenshot, btw, are 190x190
      • 2007-09-01 24454, 2007

      • warp
        luks: might be allowed under US fair use law, but not in countries which don't have fair use.
      • 2007-09-01 24455, 2007

      • luks
        copper: to have an idea how do the album look like
      • 2007-09-01 24455, 2007

      • brianfreud
        on an 1180x768 screen
      • 2007-09-01 24408, 2007

      • luks
        warp: MB is hosted in the US
      • 2007-09-01 24410, 2007

      • copper
        you can barely see anything on such small images
      • 2007-09-01 24422, 2007

      • warp
        luks: i know that, but if you need mirrors at some point, etc...
      • 2007-09-01 24428, 2007

      • copper
        300x300 would be more reasonably
      • 2007-09-01 24430, 2007

      • brianfreud
        warp: yes, but they we return to "the country of jurisdiction is the country in which the server is located"
      • 2007-09-01 24432, 2007

      • copper
        reasonable*
      • 2007-09-01 24448, 2007

      • brianfreud
        copper: at that point, I think there's a reasonable challenge for official releases
      • 2007-09-01 24448, 2007

      • luks
        copper: I'd argue that 300x300 is usable for printing
      • 2007-09-01 24400, 2007

      • copper
        oh come on...
      • 2007-09-01 24402, 2007

      • luks
        and that clearly would be against copyright law
      • 2007-09-01 24402, 2007

      • brianfreud
        the main point though of the archive.org thing originally was bootlegs
      • 2007-09-01 24403, 2007

      • luks
        s
      • 2007-09-01 24419, 2007

      • brianfreud
        or lp/reel-to-reel that will never be on azn
      • 2007-09-01 24423, 2007

      • luks
        I think 150x150 is enough for a preview
      • 2007-09-01 24432, 2007

      • brianfreud
        150 or less is fine by me
      • 2007-09-01 24434, 2007

      • luks
        or even smaller size
      • 2007-09-01 24435, 2007

      • Freso has quit
      • 2007-09-01 24437, 2007

      • copper
        printed 300x300 pixel images can't possibly qualify as counterfeit...
      • 2007-09-01 24439, 2007

      • brianfreud
        thumbnail size
      • 2007-09-01 24435, 2007

      • copper
        blah, you seem to have reached a consensus anyway :P
      • 2007-09-01 24435, 2007

      • brianfreud
        copper, though I wouldn't want 300x300 printouts myself, I think the point is that the images be large enough to ID, but small enough that there is no question that anyone would want to print them
      • 2007-09-01 24453, 2007

      • copper
        who would want to print 300x300 images?
      • 2007-09-01 24457, 2007

      • brianfreud
        somewhere between 100x100 and 150x150, noone would ever want that printed
      • 2007-09-01 24412, 2007

      • copper
        rephrase: who in their right mind would want to print 300x300 pixel images?
      • 2007-09-01 24430, 2007

      • brianfreud
        btw, luks, speaking of which, did you happen to see the bug report I put in about the art tab?
      • 2007-09-01 24443, 2007

      • luks
        yes, but I haven't tested it yet
      • 2007-09-01 24449, 2007

      • brianfreud
        ok, cool