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      • dholmes
        But the same could be said of any language

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      • Aankhen``
        Example?

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      • clever
        the way a function is called isnt a single assembly instruction

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      • clever
        you push half the args on the stack and stick the rest in registers then call it

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      • clever
        and it pushes several things into the staack and moves the stack to make room for local variables

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      • dholmes
        That's a fairly direct translation, but it sure is nice syntactic sugar

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      • clever
        and has to undo it all to return

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      • dholmes
        You can write a line of arithmetic expressions that compiles into a whole page of assembly

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      • dholmes
        That's pretty nice syntactic sugar too =D

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      • clever
        lol

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      • clever
        my dad keeps telling me it takes pages of assembly to do anything

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      • clever
        with 3-4 lines of poking data into the c64 i got it printing static strings to the screen

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      • Aankhen``
        Heh.

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      • clever
        it was just a few instructions copying ascii codes(hard coded) into the video ram

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      • dholmes
        I've never had the misfortune of having to write more than a few lines of assembly

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      • clever
        1 instruction per letter

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      • intgr
        http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/results.html?ob…

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      • intgr
        (I'd like to tag it...)

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      • luks
        the last edit will change [worlwide] back to [unknown]

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      • luks
        or not... it just failed

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      • intgr
        Oh, I didn't know MB can't resolve such edits.

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      • intgr
        Don't you think the format "Digital Media" is flawed?

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      • intgr
        CDs are called "digital media" as well.

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      • intgr
        As in "digital storage media"

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      • luks
        any ideas for a better name?

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      • intgr
        "Digital files"? I'm not sure that's an improvement though.

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      • warp
        luks: any experience with dojo toolkit?

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      • warp has to pick an ajax library/framework sort of thing.

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      • luks
        dojo is huuuggee

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      • luks
        I had some read some code that uses dojo some time ago

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      • luks
        I've never coded in it myself, though

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      • warp
        ok

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      • intgr
        Well, all of them are pretty big.

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      • luks
        I personally like mochikit, but it's not really a "ajax" library

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      • warp
        i remember you disliked prototype and moo because "that's not javascript".

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      • luks
        it can to ajax easily, but it's more a general purpose js library

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      • warp
        i don't expect to need much javascript in the first project i will use it for.

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      • warp
        but i want to pick something i can keep using for all sorts of projects in the future :)

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      • luks
        it really depends on what kind of JS you want

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      • luks
        you might like mootools or jquery

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      • Aankhen``
        YUI is teh great.

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      • clever
        E: Couldn't find package python-qt4

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      • fridaythe14t1
        I like jquery, but I haven't really tried anything else.

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      • luks
        I don't like jquery because it's too magic :)

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      • fridaythe14t1
        You don't like the "chainability"?

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      • luks
        I like javascript

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      • luks
        and jquery is a programming language on it's own, for this chainability reason

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      • luks
        mootools is something in between

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      • fridaythe14t1
        Have you looked at domquery? It's sort of like jquery but slimmed down (faster) and no chainability

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      • fridaythe14t1
        (I haven't)

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      • luks
        nope, I haven't either

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      • luks
        I don't that much JS anyway

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      • fridaythe14t1
        ok

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      • fridaythe14t1
        I do mostly PHP because browser difference drives me crazy. But the last mounths I've had to do a lot of JS and jquery helped

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      • fridaythe14t1
        *months

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      • luks
        I mostly use js to do some ajax tricks in intranet systems

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      • luks
        fortunatelly not any public websites :)

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      • fridaythe14t1
        haha.. why is that ("fortunately") ?

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      • fridaythe14t1
        because it drives you crazy too?

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      • luks
        because more users == more visible bugs :)

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      • intgr
        Because you can tell users to "use Firefox or stop complaining" :)

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      • luks
        exactly, if something is broken I can tell them to use firefox :)

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      • fridaythe14t1
        Yeah. true (both)

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      • fridaythe14t1
        Except that Opera kicks FF's ass

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      • luks
        that would be a long debate...

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      • intgr
        Nah, recent Opera releases have been much worse than Firefox.

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      • luks
        I've tried to use opera for a few weeks recently (again), but came back to firefox (again)

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      • luks
        it lacks lots of ff features I use regulary

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      • luks
        the only opera I use is opera mini :)

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      • intgr
        And it's just as bloated/slow these days.

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      • fridaythe14t1
        I think Opera has a lot of features I miss when using Firefox. But I have/use both. Firefox is much better (with Firebug) for developing. Also Opera is a lot faster and not at all as bloated (imho)

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      • fridaythe14t1
        But sure there are some minor FF features I miss in Opera, I can do without though.

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      • intgr
        Compare the rendering time for last.fm pages for example.

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      • fridaythe14t1
        I just did. Opera won ;)

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      • intgr
        According to my (unscientific) tests, Firefox 3 > IE 6.0 > IE 7.0 > Firefox 2 > Opera 8

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      • intgr
        Have you got tons of Firefox extensions installed? :)

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      • fridaythe14t1
        Indeed

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      • fridaythe14t1
        I can't say I've noticed much difference once I've disabled them though

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      • intgr
        Things like AdBlock unfortunately slow Firefox down massively, since they have to match every single link on a page against hundreds of regexps.

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      • xlotlu
        with paste and go and all-in-one sidebar i miss nothing from opera.. oh well, except for the snappy start-up

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      • lukas__
        lukas__ is now known as luks

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      • fridaythe14t1
        The main reason is still that it's faster and less bloated. Anyway we're not going to convince each other so I'll just drop it ;)

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      • fridaythe14t1
        What matter is that we're no using IE

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      • luks
        I actually quite liked IE7

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      • intgr
        Surprisingly, IE6 is the quickest browser out there.

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      • intgr
        With simple web pages hosted on quick links, e.g. localhost, the time between a mouse click and seeing the page is the lowest.

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      • fridaythe14t1
        I can't really say that I've seen such benchmark

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      • fridaythe14t1
        ok, might be the case

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      • HairMetalAddict is working on a new site design, and just got a horrid reminder of how bad IE6 is with png transparencies. Grrrr.

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      • fridaythe14t1
        Have you tried http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/compatibility/png.ht…

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      • HairMetalAddict
        Eh, I got it fixed. Just been so long since I did a transparency with png that I'd forgotten.

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      • fridaythe14t1
        ok

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      • intgr
        But I never liked IE7; it's slower than IE6 and instead of old bugs it simply has new ones (which are arguably more annoying).

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      • fridaythe14t1
        It's two step in the right direction and one back

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      • intgr
        One step in the right direction and two back.

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      • fridaythe14t1
        A real step forward would be if the cancelled it totally

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      • russ_
        russ_ is now known as Russss

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      • brianfreud wakes up

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      • brianfreud
        luks: “binary distribution

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      • gioele
        hi

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      • brianfreud
        ?

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      • luks
        ?

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      • gioele
        ?

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      • brianfreud
        instead of “digital media”

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      • luks
        oh, CD is binary, too

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      • brianfreud
        “non-physical binary” :D

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      • brianfreud
        that gets ugly

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      • luks
        I think Digital Media is fine, even though it's not accurate

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      • gioele
        http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/ticket/3249 , the please-give-me-an-ASIN-while-you-add-this-release enhancement request

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      • luks
        people know what does it mean in this context

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      • brianfreud
        I think so too - it’s not precise, perhaps, but the intent is understood

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      • gioele
        even laymen

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      • brianfreud
        and gioele, you got it exactly :)

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      • gioele
        luks: did you get my powerpc build of picardqt? was it good? it worked for me, couldn't do much more testing

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      • luks
        yes, thanks for it

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      • luks
        I was offline back then (well, I still am...), so sorry for no reply

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      • luks
        and yes, I know about PPA, I even have it activated

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      • luks
        but it was just before I moved to .cz

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      • luks
        too bad it works only on the dev branch of ubuntu, using it for feisty packages would be nicer

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      • gioele
        from .sk to .cz?

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      • luks
        yes, to uni

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      • gioele
        which city, if I can ask?

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      • luks
        brno

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      • gioele
        sounds cold :)

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      • luks
        :)

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      • gioele
        one of my Austrian friend is in love with Prague

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      • gioele
        cold as well :)