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have to admit I've only heard of MA, don't know them

heh, listen to treat drop.

awesome son

song

don't like all there stuff, but they have one or two considered absolute classics.

anyway same thing.

most of massive attacks stuff is remixes.

but thos remixes are considered works of art of massive attack.

its not performed by those original artists

annie lenox does a cover album

do you put that under annie lenox

or under various artists?

hmmm, just looked up one of the Thievery Corp releases, as them I do know

and it is listed with TC as the release artist...

I think it can only be called various artists, if its a compilation album.

otherwise its considered an artistist output of the group

I'm going to abstain on your edit, though - I do see precident for it, but the limited amount of stuff in the wiki for defining the RA for a Remix release seems to be counterindicitive

no, not really...

its quite simple really

because we also have an AR for what you're describing

is it an artistic output by a single body.

"release was DJ Mixed by"

when a dj does an album, you put it under the djs name.

like paul olkenfold

or john digweed

lol, I've disagreed on this kind of thing before, now that you mention it

Crystal Method live bootleg, tracks properly attributed out to the artists, RA set to CM

no self respecting dj our remixer would just copy and paste a song, which is a compilation.

they put their own artistlic layer ontop, as such it becomes their derivitive work.

yes, but where is the line between "DJ Mixed, thus release artist" and "compiled the VA collection, so VA"?

if they're sampling, that's one thing - aka Negativeland

but if it's the entire original track, either remixed, or just with beats and such layered on, at what point does it go from being a compilation (VA) to a remix release under the mixer?

how would the artist who did the compilation want it represented?

he'd want it under his name

but sound tracks, compilation albums etc all vairous artists.

or, worse case, if I remix a bunch of remixes, is the original remixer lost entirely? (I become the release artist, the original artist becomes the track artist - no way top represent the original remixer who I re-remixed)

yes

thats the point of derivitive works

if you notice must remixers give attribute the original in the title.

if b is a remix of a, and c is a remix of b, you've now credited the performer for a and the remixer for c, but lost entirely the remixer for b

you as a person have produce an album

that album is your work of art

thats life

and the medium can never hold onto that information

lol, that's counterfactual :P

sure, would also be illegal

they would sue your arse off anyway.

so wouldn't worry about it

so you are looking for an extreme answer not to attribute the work to the mixer.

lol, well, as I say... gonna abstain on this one :P

and even that extreme answer really justifies keeping the rule simple

There's a difference in attributing the mixer and making him the main artist in an album.

no, I just think it's better left VA with ARs, rather than trying to manipulate the remixer into the release artist, as that model quickly breaks down when you add a second layer of remixing on

not really

not really? So in a model in which the remixer becomes the release artist, how are you retaining the remixer info for b?

people who are fans of massive attack, theivery corporation, stanton warriors etc are gonna want it under them, not varoius artists.

it is under them

"VA Remixes"

in reality what they are doing is no different to a album of covers songs

you don't put cover albums under VA

no, because a (non-soundtrack/classical) cover is attributed to the performer, not the original composer

exactly

and the performer, the artists, is the remixer.

the album is their body of work

I think it's very different. But hey, I'm not a fan of remixers anyway 8)

thus that one is VA

not per remix style

you just stated that there where different end artists for various tracks

It would be a Tori Amos RA and TA remix release, with remix ARs to BT and Aphex Twin

thus its a compilation album of remixes

No, there's only one artist and a couple of people tweaking buttons.

;)

see the difference is with stanton warriors, theivery corporation, massive attack, is the remix all tracks. thus all tracks are their derivitive works. attribution to the original artist is given in the track title.

to look for derivitives of derivitives of derivitives is looking at an extreme case.

and not the dominant of the vast body of work.

yes, but for a rule to work, it has to handle those cat corner cases; otherwise, your rule breaks the consistancy of listing for those cat corners

and again, you've not said why simply using the standard model, with remix ARs, isn't a better solution

mostly because it gives no way to build a single for a body of work by an artist

I want a folder for all my massive attack wrok

work

or theivery corporation work

without this it would be harder to navigate content for a particular remix artist

I'd get navigation only by album name

And there's nothing preventing you, Picard just doesn't do it by default.

My remixing a track does not make that track *originally* my performance work. It makes my work a modification, a derivative, of that original performance work. We credit the original performance and AR the modifications to it that happen after the fact.

sure, thats what I'll probably do.

but I think it makes things very clear and improves the current classifcation

some people will scream blue murder if you put massive attack under VA.

thus you've already broken your existing model

No, it doesn't. It would create lots of VA releases, especially singles, where there aren't any.

because people scream, cause they only pay attention to their one genre, not the schema overall?

that doesn't break the model - that's a lot of people ignoring the overall model.

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massive attack as VA?

how is that VA

they're a group allright

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I want Benmont Tench to play the organ here: http://musicbrainz.org/show/track/relationships... but every time I try to add the AR, nothin happens after entering the edit

can one artist play only one instrument per track?

no, but you can only add a "mr smith played foo on bar" AR once.

you have to edit that existing AR, hit "add another instrument", and do it that way.

ok, I'll try that. thanks

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