does anybody here know things about translating picard?
2007-11-01 30511, 2007
foolip
specifically, is beta1 synced with the stuff on launchpad?
2007-11-01 30531, 2007
luks
not yet
2007-11-01 30535, 2007
foolip
despite what I said once I'm still going to attempt translating picard into chinese
2007-11-01 30551, 2007
foolip
I did some today via launchpad and then thought that maybe... it wasn't synced.
2007-11-01 30512, 2007
foolip
are the differences big or can I go ahead without wasting too much time?
2007-11-01 30512, 2007
luks
but most of the strings should be still valid
2007-11-01 30524, 2007
foolip
sounds good
2007-11-01 30528, 2007
luks
I'm not sure if there were any changes at all
2007-11-01 30555, 2007
foolip
what is the process -- do you take the translations from launchpad and put them into the release package, or the other way around?
2007-11-01 30529, 2007
luks
no, this is the correct way
2007-11-01 30541, 2007
foolip
very good
2007-11-01 30544, 2007
luks
when I make changes to the UI, I usually upload new templates to launchpad
2007-11-01 30557, 2007
luks
and then before a release download all translations and add them to the source tree
2007-11-01 30510, 2007
foolip
can I export a .po-file from rosetta(?) to try out the results?
2007-11-01 30526, 2007
luks
there should be a link somewhere, they will mail it to you
2007-11-01 30534, 2007
foolip
ok, will look
2007-11-01 30521, 2007
foolip
do you do any "quality testing" at all, I saw that for example the swedish translation only included a few strings, which means that users on a swedish locale will get a worse experience than without any translations
2007-11-01 30506, 2007
luks
no, I include all the translations, even incomplete
2007-11-01 30525, 2007
luks
for the final release I probably won't
2007-11-01 30535, 2007
foolip
sounds reasonable
2007-11-01 30549, 2007
luks
but for now it's a good sign for people that they should finish the translation :)
2007-11-01 30523, 2007
foolip
btw, will you do ubuntu packages for ubuntu feisty?
2007-11-01 30530, 2007
luks
no
2007-11-01 30554, 2007
foolip
very well, then I will do so myself
2007-11-01 30504, 2007
foolip
or are the qt-libs too old?
2007-11-01 30514, 2007
foolip is a barrel of questions
2007-11-01 30530, 2007
luks
yep, right now it needs qt 4.3, and feisty has only 4.2
2007-11-01 30559, 2007
luks
and there is no way I'm backporting and maintaining qt/pyqt packages
2007-11-01 30551, 2007
foolip
yeah, I can't blame you :)
2007-11-01 30534, 2007
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Bartman007
do you know about prevu?
2007-11-01 30514, 2007
foolip
who?
2007-11-01 30531, 2007
Bartman007
prevu, an automated ubuntu backporting script.
2007-11-01 30558, 2007
Bartman007
it bootstraps a build environment then uses it to build the source package from a newer release.
2007-11-01 30547, 2007
luks
packporting pyqt is not an automatic task
2007-11-01 30551, 2007
luks
*backporting
2007-11-01 30500, 2007
Bartman007
doesn't work with everything (especially if the package *requires* a newer kernel or other core component)
2007-11-01 30513, 2007
luks
it depends on newer packages, which depends on newer packages, ...
luks: I'll start a build on a machine, compute power is cheap :-)
2007-11-01 30510, 2007
luks
Bartman007, but time isn't :)
2007-11-01 30516, 2007
Bartman007
luks: sure, but I just started it and detached, I'll check on it whenever I get around to it.
2007-11-01 30538, 2007
xlotlu
feeling rather dumb after mocking about in picard's source, then trying to edit Trolltech.conf, when all i had to do is run qtconfig-qt4 :)
2007-11-01 30549, 2007
foolip
luks: can you check if the version on launchpad really is up to date? I'm getting a request for "Details - %s" which is _("Details") + " - " in the code
2007-11-01 30537, 2007
luks
foolip, I'll try to upload a new template later today
2007-11-01 30546, 2007
foolip
ok, thanks :)
2007-11-01 30531, 2007
Bartman007
compiling python-qt4-4.3 ;-)
2007-11-01 30542, 2007
foolip
luks: do you know stuff about the internals of the website?
2007-11-01 30506, 2007
luks
for most parts probably yes
2007-11-01 30510, 2007
foolip
specifically, is there anything in place to support translating it, or is it all hardwired in English?
2007-11-01 30527, 2007
luks
it's english _*EVERYWHERE*_ :)
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luks
making it translatable would be a huge task
2007-11-01 30542, 2007
brianfreud_
huge, but long term, very very beneficial I think
2007-11-01 30548, 2007
brianfreud_
g'morning all :)
2007-11-01 30554, 2007
luks
I don't think so
2007-11-01 30520, 2007
brianfreud_
for EU countries, perhaps not
2007-11-01 30533, 2007
foolip
what do the "use release/track information" options in picard do?
2007-11-01 30534, 2007
brianfreud_
but for places which don't even use a latin script...
2007-11-01 30539, 2007
brianfreud_
brianfreud_ is now known as brianfreud
2007-11-01 30549, 2007
luks
brianfreud_, we have lots of terminology issues even with english, I can't imaging the pain when we start translating it
2007-11-01 30507, 2007
brianfreud
I know - but painful as the transition would be, I'd still think being able to serve, say, a version in Chinese to someone in Beijing would be a much friendlier/useable experience for that person in Beijing
2007-11-01 30502, 2007
brianfreud
plus, perhaps, it might help us more easily see the english terminology, having it all bare and in one place...
2007-11-01 30510, 2007
luks
I think we first need to fix the english side
2007-11-01 30551, 2007
luks
and once the website uses the right terminology everywhere, then maybe start thinking about translations
2007-11-01 30508, 2007
brianfreud
Sorry, that's kind of what I meant. Having all the English layed out raw, we could clean and clarify the english too
2007-11-01 30550, 2007
brianfreud
cause you're right - I still occasionally find "album" instead of "release", etc
2007-11-01 30505, 2007
luks
as an example, the website uses Track Time, Length and Duration
2007-11-01 30549, 2007
luks
and the album/release thing will become even more confusing once we actually get albums
but there is one thing I'm still not sure about, do we want to use Master or keep using Track even for masters?
2007-11-01 30533, 2007
brianfreud
or Track Master, Track Instance, or something like those...
2007-11-01 30557, 2007
luks
I think Master on it's own is very ambiguous
2007-11-01 30526, 2007
brianfreud
agreed.
2007-11-01 30540, 2007
luks
I'm inclined to call it Song, just for the simplicity
2007-11-01 30545, 2007
brianfreud
Actually, thinking about it, wouldn't the more exact term be Track Mastering ?
2007-11-01 30507, 2007
brianfreud
it's a specific mastering of a track...
2007-11-01 30521, 2007
luks
but people have no idea what that is
2007-11-01 30526, 2007
brianfreud
true
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brianfreud
but that's the flip side of this, or the other things that are complex from the flowchart - the question of how much you want to even expose to the person who "just wants to know what album this song is from"
2007-11-01 30500, 2007
luks
well, "track masters" will be very visible
2007-11-01 30550, 2007
luks
you won't have a page for a track, only for the corresponding master
2007-11-01 30549, 2007
Bartman007
luks: so, qt-4.3 is backportable for feisty, the process is quite trivial too. I have the (untested) packages sitting on one of my machines.
2007-11-01 30557, 2007
brianfreud
for those wierd cases - like that one track that had a different name in Canada vs. the US, or the Waif Me example - I still can drill down to the specific instance of the master, though, right?
2007-11-01 30558, 2007
luks
you have a list of instances with track titles, releases, etc. on the master page
2007-11-01 30506, 2007
brianfreud
that works
2007-11-01 30516, 2007
luks
but track is not a standalone entity
2007-11-01 30527, 2007
luks
no MB IDs, no pages, ...
2007-11-01 30503, 2007
brianfreud
sure - but can the specific title be force-overridden at the specific instance level, while still leaving that instance-master association in place?
2007-11-01 30543, 2007
luks
definitely
2007-11-01 30547, 2007
brianfreud
"Rape Me" on the singles and most album releases, "Waif Me" (identical mastering) on the Walmart version, etc
2007-11-01 30550, 2007
luks
masters don't even have titles
2007-11-01 30556, 2007
brianfreud
oh?
2007-11-01 30510, 2007
luks
the most commonly used track titles is used as a master title
2007-11-01 30517, 2007
brianfreud
I thought part of the benefit for masters was I could fix a typo in the master and it reflect out to all non-overriden instances...
2007-11-01 30522, 2007
luks
and the other ones are in AKA ...
2007-11-01 30526, 2007
luks
no
2007-11-01 30546, 2007
brianfreud
:(
2007-11-01 30521, 2007
luks
well, as long as we have track grouped it's easy to add mass-editing
2007-11-01 30530, 2007
brianfreud
:)
2007-11-01 30531, 2007
brianfreud
lol
2007-11-01 30543, 2007
luks
but masters still don't have titles
2007-11-01 30554, 2007
brianfreud
that just seemed like such a good benefit, be a shame to lose it, however it's implemented
2007-11-01 30522, 2007
brianfreud
now, wiill there be any level above the track master?
2007-11-01 30546, 2007
luks
eventually :)
2007-11-01 30511, 2007
luks
but not any soon
2007-11-01 30514, 2007
brianfreud
the generic track level, collection of *all* Rape Me masters into one overall "supertrack"
2007-11-01 30514, 2007
brianfreud
hmm, *shrug*... seems that higher level would be 95% the same exact code as for the track master level
2007-11-01 30538, 2007
luks
nope, because the higher level will be much more flexible
2007-11-01 30505, 2007
luks
so we don't need to have anything higher :)
2007-11-01 30542, 2007
brianfreud
lol, if you have a generic instance which contains all masterings for a particular song... how is there even anything higher? :P
immediately, I think of that as the "generic instance" I've been thinking of for classical
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inhouseuk shakes his head
2007-11-01 30547, 2007
inhouseuk
I was investigating why ExpressRip wasn't working with the freedb gateway when there are multiple matches for the freedb id and discovered it doesn't even work properly with the 'real' freedb
2007-11-01 30554, 2007
ruaok wonders if inhouse uk has to deposit 10p in the shakes-head-like-inhouseuk-infringement fund
2007-11-01 30552, 2007
inhouseuk
I hope not, I'd be bankrupt
2007-11-01 30524, 2007
ruaok
yep. and since the money is bound for you, it makes little sense.
