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      • bplatt
        In which case, some votes on http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=7836933 would be appreciated.
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      • timo-
        bplatt, approved. you can go ahead with removing the AR now
      • 2007-11-18 32229, 2007

      • bplatt
        Thanks
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      • Muzzz yawns
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      • Shepard
        why is editing the capitalisation of a disambiguation comment not an auto-edit under default data quality? o_O
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      • srotta
        foolip: I did the artist divided PUID list. About 8 megabytes, maybe I should cut it into pieces 8)
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      • foolip
        oh, I guess it that might explain something
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      • foolip
        can someone versed in CSG tell me how "Brahms Intermezzo in A Major OP 118 No 2" should be formatted?
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      • foolip
        and who is the composer?
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      • foolip
        "Intermezzo in A major, Op. 118, No. 2" by Johannes Brahms?
      • 2007-11-18 32259, 2007

      • foolip
        a comma between op. 118 and no.2?
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      • bplatt
        foolip - I believe no comma between those
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      • foolip
        it found several different variants on a search
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      • bplatt
        From http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/ClassicalStyleGuide: " 'Mazurka in B major, Op. 63 No. 1'. Here the 'No. 1' is a subpart of 'Op. 63'. Note that there's no comma between them."
      • 2007-11-18 32243, 2007

      • bplatt
        http://musicbrainz.org/album/d87ed676-80bc-451c-9… looks closest to a correct CSG application from a cursory search.
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      • CatCat
        brianfreud: nah I found it, it was rob who did it to test HQ and Quality edits
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      • CatCat
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      • ojnkpjg
        is there no way to search tags, or am i blind?
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      • nikki
        how do I import from freedb by id?
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      • timo-
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      • nikki
        ah. the add album thingy just links to the search
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      • foolip
        does anyone know why many picard fails to find puids for many tracks which the genpuid binary can in fact find
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      • nikki
        hey foolip, what's your opinion on how pinyin should be capitalised?
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      • foolip
        nikki: pinyin transliterations of track names?
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      • nikki
        yes
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      • foolip
        there is an overwhelming use of all caps, which I am not a fan of
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      • nikki
        you mean like english?
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      • foolip
        yes
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      • nikki
        ahh
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      • nikki
        and you prefer sentence capitalisation?
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      • foolip
        the problem is also the habit of writing everything apart character by character
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      • foolip
        北京 would become Bei Jing
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      • foolip
        I would perhaps prefer proper pinyin orthography including tones, but that's a whole lot of work
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      • nikki nods
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      • foolip
        I'll give you a wikipedia link with the approximate rules for that
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      • foolip
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      • foolip
        however, all of that applies to text and not necessarily titles
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      • nikki
        I don't actually bother with capital letters at all for my filenames when they're transliterations from a script without capital letters, but I noticed that most people in mb seem to use english caps
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      • foolip
        do you mean you would put it in all lowercase?
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      • nikki
        yup
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      • foolip
        even Beijing?
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      • nikki
        sure :)
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      • foolip
        and proper names?
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      • foolip
        well, it's simple anyway
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      • foolip
        is there a specific edit you're looking at now, or asking just in general?
      • 2007-11-18 32222, 2007

      • nikki
        asking in general
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      • foolip
        the only proper release with pinyin I know is this: http://musicbrainz.org/release/d82bf795-0b1e-4ab2…
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      • foolip
        it's a european Jay Chou single
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      • foolip
        I did refer to the cover when editing that I think, so that's what you have
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      • foolip
        I have one other too, but it's in all caps
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      • foolip
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      • foolip
        I didn't enter that, but the editor seemingly liked your style
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      • foolip
        on the cover it's all in caps
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      • nikki
        ahh
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      • foolip
        one detail of note is that quite a few chinese titles mix chinese and english
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      • foolip
        transliterations of those would perhaps look nicer with camel caps
      • 2007-11-18 32234, 2007

      • nikki nods
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      • foolip
        but then there are other with french I think, just not very many
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      • nikki
        I used english style on one track on this korean album I was just adding
      • 2007-11-18 32206, 2007

      • nikki
        because there was only one track in korean with more than one word and most were english
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      • foolip
        so you transliterated it?
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      • nikki
        yup
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      • nikki
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      • foolip
        and marked it pseudo-release?
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      • nikki
        yup
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      • foolip
        if you don't feel like entering the "proper", you could perhaps enter the proper korean titles in track annotations
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      • nikki
        I added the original ages ago :)
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      • foolip
        oh, sorry
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      • nikki
        but I figured that if I don't add a decent transliteration, someone will come along and enter one with some totally random transliteration system that annoys me :)
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      • foolip
        what do people usually do with korean transliterations though?
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      • nikki
        not sure
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      • nikki takes a look at some other korean artists
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      • foolip
        I'm not a fan of camel caps in any language (even English), but then again hardly ever use transliterated releases so perhaps my preferences aren't important
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      • nikki
        english is the only one I use it for, probably because I'm just so used to it after seeing it all my life
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      • foolip
        might there be anyone around who knows stuff about japanese transliterations?
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      • foolip
        at least they don't have the silly "every character as a word" problem
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      • nikki
        depends what you want to know :)
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      • foolip
        not sure why people like Bei Jing and Shang Hai...
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      • foolip
        well, how are the capitalized?
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      • nikki
        depends on personal preferences really...
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      • foolip
        I thought as muched
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      • foolip
        -ed
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      • foolip
        perhaps a CapitalizationStandardCJK would be in order
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      • foolip
        not really, but one for each, or one for all tranliterations
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      • nikki nods
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      • foolip
        actually one for each, as you would probably want to throw in other orthography rules as well
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      • foolip
        the question is, though, do we have a problem to solve?
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      • nikki
        I think japanese is more complicated, some people write words in katakana in all caps but some don't, some people always lowercase particles but some don't, some use english caps, some use sentence caps, some use no caps...
      • 2007-11-18 32238, 2007

      • foolip
        is anyone unhappy with the way things are except those who know the source languages and think the transliterations look silly?
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      • nikki
        good question...
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      • foolip
        I can only say things about the Chinese. While I would like to see "Cóng Táiběi dào Běijīng" instead of "Cong Tai Bei Dao Bei Jing" I don't know if anyone else would...
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      • nikki would like tones
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      • nikki
        I'm not really bothered each way for whether words are written together or not
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      • foolip
        adding that would be pretty much work, though
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      • foolip
        I think if we use tones we could just as well use proper hanyu pinyin style, which is (in my opinion) sentense caps with capitalized proper names and words written together
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      • nikki
        and I'd definitely prefer sentence caps (with capitalised proper nouns) to every word capitalised
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      • foolip
        hmm...
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      • foolip
        I don't know who actually uses these releases, or who added them
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      • nikki
        people who can't read chinese :)
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      • foolip
        The only one's I've added or seen added since I started messing with the Chinese releases are the two links I gave you
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      • foolip
        but those who add them have to know some Chinese?
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      • nikki
        oh, and the old tagger didn't understand anything other than latin1, so nice chinese names weren't possible
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      • CatCat
        i really dont like Cong Tai Bei Dao Bei Jing
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      • nikki
        hei mo!
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      • CatCat
        hei
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      • foolip
        hello CatCat
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      • CatCat
        :D
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      • nikki
        hvordan har du det?
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      • foolip
        good to see some more distaste for camel caps
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      • CatCat
        jeg har det bra
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      • nikki
        :D
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      • nikki
        ok, back to the topic :)
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      • CatCat
        camel case shoudlnt bei n transliterations, thats silly
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      • foolip
        nikki: är du också norsk?
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      • Deewiant
        I don't like ALL CAPS myself
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      • CatCat
        nei hun er englesk, men lærer fort :D
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      • foolip i Swedish, but that's irrelevant
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      • Deewiant
        or no caps at all either
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      • CatCat
        :o
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      • nikki
        I'm learning norwegian by osmosis from mo :)
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      • foolip
        haha, cool
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      • foolip
        norwegian has much more logical spelling than Swedish, stay away from us.