#musicbrainz

I had a look at sound juicer earlier, but it has the same way of setting up ripping that Rhythmbox uses. Very vague.

I can't say "I want you to use lame at 256kbps" etc to it. Or I just don't know how, one of the two.

OK, so I want 'add release'. Does each CD of this two CD set count as a separate release, or is it one?

creature: you just don't know how ;)

Senilix: Soundjuicer also failed to impress with its inability to choose filenames of my preference. Dropdowns are not flexible enough.

creature: I use soundjuicer myself, but you're right that it isn't too flexible or user friendly for file naming.

I rip to a working directory, then retag and rename with Picard.

creature: true. i don't trust the ripping, so i use ripit with --ripopt="-X" and the freedb gateway, then retags and renames with picard

i also prefer tools i can use in a terminal :)

This seems like a tremendous palaver.

Picard has so far failed to impress me.

In particular, it seems it blocks whenever it runs a web browser, which makes one aspect of its operation completely useless. I forget which - I had a shot at the getting started guide and found that to be a problem.

creature: Which version of picard are you using, and which distribution are you on ?

I am on Debian, and I am using...

0.9.0.beta1

0.9.0 final is out now, but I've not seen that blocking behavior in any of the 0.9.x releases that I tried on ubuntu.

i've never seen that blocking behaviour either

Did you install picard from source, or from a repository?

From source, I believe.

For some reason known only to itself it uses Konqueror, rather than my preferred Opera.

OK, something definitely doesn't sound right there, but I'm not really sufficiently familiar to know off hand what is going on.

brianfreud: With this release, should I really title track 2 with 'Kyrie eleison' even though the liner notes just say 'Kyrie'?

well, it seems that's a case of the liner simply not providing all the details (not unusual), not that that was somehow left out of the movement title - esp as it's still the Sussmeyer, just with orchestration and minor text changes, and that is part of the movement title in the Sussmeyer

Does this two-disc set count as one release or two?

1 release per CD

creature: Exactaudiocopy works under wine. Added benefit: It uses accuraterip

There's no way I'm firing up Wine every time I want to rip a CD.

brianfreud: What should be the title of this?

cool, Jukka added a link to my guide from the ECDX homepage! :D

Requiem in D minor, K. 626 (Orchestra feat. conductor Foo)

brianfreud: So, "Requiem in D minr, K. 626 (Academy and Chorus of St Martin-in-the-Fields feat. conductor Neville Mariner)" ?

D minor, of course.

yep

yours is not http://musicbrainz.org/release/839dcf67-41b6-45... though?

Not according to the track IDs.

the track IDs?

Erm, Disc IDs.

Mine has id "OVCNJ7MWaKKm4Mcv1HRvloB2DFM-"

well, a release can have multiple disc IDs

what are the times on your CD?

The book and Grip disagree.

well, let's go with real times, so whatever is actually on the CD, not what the liner claims is on the CD...

5:28, 2:52, 1:55, 3:40, 2:19, 6:13, 2:32, 4:12, 3:55, 4:29, 1:27, 5:59, 3:42, 6:12.

The TOC is 1 14 247275 182 24797 37717 46307 62845 73217 101200 112630 131475 149107 169345 175862 202750 219380

ok, yours is 2 seconds different in total from http://musicbrainz.org/release/839dcf67-41b6-45... - definately the same release

I would just add your toc to that release, then fix it up to correct CSG

Is it track 3 where we're off by 2 seconds?

Ah, no.

Interesting, because the booklet has that off by 2 seconds from the disc.

track 5 +1s, track 8 +1s, track 10 +1s, track 12 -1s

all are within the 5s+/- though

OK, I'll try that then.

In the same Amazon parcel I also got this, which wasn't in MB either:

MB was 0 for 2 today.

well, keep in mind there's not tons of tocs - we esp need them to be submitted. This release was in the db, just needed the toc for your CD :)

Interestingly with that one the listing on the back shows 14 tracks, the disc and the booklet had 18 tracks in their listings, and the CD physically had 20 tracks.

OK, I think I've managed to add that TOC to it.

yup, I see the toc

and actually, it's 100% identical in times to the other

prob less than 1s differences being rounded to even get to that 2s difference to the listed times

the other does look like it needs adding - artist is in the db though ( http://musicbrainz.org/artist/9829f93a-09e6-4f7... )

OK, so I am updating the track names. What happens when I'm done?

you enter the edits, and we vote on them

How many votes does it need before they 'overtake' the currently listed tracks?

three, unless an autoeditor autoapproves them in, in which case they'd take effect immediately (which wouldn't be surprising here, as you've had at least 2 of us commenting/agreeing on the CSG here) :)

Never mind, I've found the document describing it all.

So how do I add the AR things you mention in the wiki article?

I'd probably stand more chance if I knew what AR stood for.

lol

"advanced relationship"

you can add them per track by clicking on each track, then the "Relate to..." link. But for these, most apply to all/most tracks, so you can save time and do it easier.

in the release view, click on "Relate to..."

let's say you're adding the orchestra performance ARs. So you'd type "Academy of St Martin-in-the-Fields" in the box that pops up, then click on it in the list that comes up.

Now click on the "create relationship" button in that little box.

On the next page, you'll be at a "Relate artist to release" page. On that page, near the middle, is a link to "relate to tracks". Click on that

That interface is pretty horrid.

Now you'll see a list of tracks with checkboxes. Check on the approprate tracks (all, in the case of this AR), select "orchestra performed" in the drop down, put a note in the notes box ("copied from liner notes" or whatever), then submit the edit

So I leave it set to 'Artist' in the first pop-up box, and I entered 'Franz Beyer', and hit lookup, and was then told there were no results.

it's improving - doing all ARs for a classical release used to take hours, doing them track by track. Now it's much faster, doing it group of tracks at a time.

He may not be in the database yet - most likely noone's done any ARs/releases for him. So up top in the menu, open the "Add new artist" page in a separate tab, add him, then come back and try looking him up again, he'll show up then.

wha'?

OK, I think I've managed that now.

xlotlu: you're the expert on which movements of the Requiem, between Mozart and Sussmeyer, each ought to have composer or additional composer on

yeah, scrolled about

yey, i'm expert

brianfreud: there's actually gonna be any Sussmayr as composer? :)

in ARs?

ah

Beyer modified the Sussmeyer which was off the Mozart... lol

so he has Beyer addtl ARs, then Mozart and Sussmeyer as normal... but I've not yet seen your breakout for which movements each of those 2 gets composer or additional composer on :P

i know nothing about the later arrangements though

the beyer is based off the sussmeyer, so we can ignore the beyer part for the moment - he basically took the sussmeyer then messed with it

unlike some of the others... that one I mentioned with bits from other works, if anyone ever finds a recording of it, is a true mess... (Mozart original composition, then other Mozart composed works, but 2 of the "Mozart" works used are actually not Mozart, plus that completor also wrote some of his own new stuff, etc etc...)

:| i wanna see all the relationships in the listing

and wine effect is starting to wear off

well, which movements would you list Mozart as composer, and which would you list Sussmeyer?

based on what you were saying the other day

I tried to cancel an edit, but did someone un-cancel it?

Can people do that?

no

creature: edits are not cancelled right away.. they're marked as “To be cancelled” for some time first

Hah at this gag about a piano: "It's filthy in here. Where did you get it?" "It's had one lady owner. Said she only used it for Chopin."

brianfreud: definitely for sanctus / benedictus / agnus dei

xlotlu: would you then list Mozart as "additional composer" for those 3?

brianfreud: lux aeterna is also 100% his doing, but it's reiterating through mozart's pieces

brianfreud: yup

brianfreud: but only because there were supposedly "notes".. the never-proven ones

OK. How do I add an annotation note?

would you give Sussmeyer an additional composer credit for the Introitus - Domine Jesu? (And I thought the Hostias was also based on fragments?)

creature: the Edit link in the annotation (the white box above the orange bar)

yey. more wine

brianfreud: i wouldn't go that far with the beginning part

Ah, I was on the wrong page, it seems.

brianfreud: domine jesu & hostias definitely additionally composed

brianfreud: the entire sequenz is somewhere in between additionally composed and orchestrated

Senilix: thanks for signing up for a recurring donation!

except for the lacrimosa of course

xlotlu: yeah... at some point, it'd be nice if we could add something to the Mozart list giving the breakdown for how each of the two ought to be correctly AR'd for each movement of 626

brianfreud: but intoitus & kyrie something like arranged..

Well, that's ridiculous.

ruaok: just a small thanks for a great service to the internet community ;)

:-)

brianfreud: at some point it would be nice if this with its composition-related ARs would be a "meta-release", and the actual releases would extend it with the performer ARs :)

agreed, but I think generic work lists may be quite a ways off still :)

I click 'Edit Release Events', remove the year from an existing event, then realise I didn't want to do that and click 'Cancel'. Then the Javascript validation kicks in and tells me that each event must have a year.

Right, I think I'm finally done with that CD.

So now I have the same fun with disc 1, only that's not in the DB at all.

lol

I don't think I can face it.

Could i get some yes votes on this? I screwed up and added a duplicate. http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=8123681

Kerensky97: I don;t think the times will carry over

Well than I'll fix them now. I still need to move the album artist over to "Hello!Project" anyways.

Oh, and another one. I need some yes votes (5 I think) to unlock this album so I can overhaul about 5 tracks worth of ARs then button it back up to high level. I'm actually not sure if track ARs fall under the album quality rules, but if they do then the alternative is about 10-15 edits that will need 5 votes to pass rather than the normal 3. So I figure it's better to just drop the quality down to default for a few hours.

Now grooving to: Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky ~ Act II, No. 10 Scène: The Enchanted Palace of the Kingdom of Sweets (4:10) (from The Nutcracker (The Royal Philharmonic Orchestra, Vladimir Ashkenazy)) (1892)

:D

lol... why the accent in Scene? :P

becasue that is the way it is in the naxos recording

i had to go back and change it in mb again, since some joker had messed with it

Now grooving to: NRK P2