I think a lot of our problems could be solved by having song lists for each artist
2008-02-02 03325, 2008
pronik
correction: entering would be the least problem. Bringing it into CSG and adding ARs is the actual problems
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brianfreud
cooperaa: if we ever get box set entities, I could see linking them that way. Right now, I do it like I think you do, with annotation interlinks. But I find your 1a exception wierd
pronik: don't forget to add the operas to the composer's CSGStandard page ;)
2008-02-02 03337, 2008
brianfreud
trackwise
2008-02-02 03344, 2008
brianfreud
agreed :D
2008-02-02 03305, 2008
brianfreud is thinking about starting the wiki.musicbrainz.org/CSGStandard page today :P
2008-02-02 03316, 2008
cooperaa
haha I almost did that this morning
2008-02-02 03339, 2008
cooperaa
but I'm not a very good wiki-formatter
2008-02-02 03343, 2008
cooperaa
so I left it for someone else
2008-02-02 03345, 2008
brianfreud
Figured just a list of classical composers, broken by who does or doesn’t get affected by CSG, with links to each composer’s list page
2008-02-02 03330, 2008
pronik
the amount of work this whole stuff involves is just crazy
2008-02-02 03334, 2008
brianfreud
:P
2008-02-02 03345, 2008
brianfreud has spent maybe 500 hours on the Mozart listing so far
2008-02-02 03318, 2008
cooperaa
yipes
2008-02-02 03327, 2008
brianfreud
cooperaa: Ok. If I can clan clarify your proposal, let me know if you would agree to this, which I will say I can agree to:
2008-02-02 03339, 2008
pronik
brianfreud: should you be coding again, I'd wish an Opera tool. Define characters, singers and "global" information and then add CDs one after another with checkboxes for the characters singing
2008-02-02 03342, 2008
brianfreud
1) TA is *always* the composer, no matter what.
2008-02-02 03358, 2008
brianfreud
2) RA for VA is always VA.
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cooperaa
1) yes definitely
2008-02-02 03310, 2008
cooperaa
2) sure ya
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brianfreud
3) RA for SA is always that SA, even if it’s a box.
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cooperaa
ooo
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brianfreud
3a) Corallary to 3, annotation interlinks to each release in the box are highly preferred, but only required if the box is VA with SA indiv. CDs
2008-02-02 03306, 2008
cooperaa
okay, think in the future when we have real "release" pages with disc sections...
2008-02-02 03326, 2008
cooperaa
we're going to have to set the RA to be VA and the DiscArtist (if we even decide that's significant to the SA)
2008-02-02 03303, 2008
cooperaa
...messed up my parentheses there
2008-02-02 03311, 2008
brianfreud
well, in a day when we have BoxSets, RA for the BoxSet = VA, but the individual discs can be SA within that VA box
2008-02-02 03327, 2008
pronik
track artist is actually totally obsolete -- it's either a composer or a performer
2008-02-02 03341, 2008
brianfreud
but so long as you leave the TAs alone, I’m ok with it. (It’s actually what I thought we were already doing anyhow)
2008-02-02 03354, 2008
brianfreud
I thought you were trying to make the *TAs* the performers
2008-02-02 03310, 2008
cooperaa
CRAS says only when the release contains tracks by multiple composers
2008-02-02 03315, 2008
cooperaa
nooooooooooo
2008-02-02 03329, 2008
brianfreud
lol, now you understand my reaction
2008-02-02 03301, 2008
brianfreud
by the way, on your opera script, that’s a lot like what I’d like to eventually see for generic work entries...
2008-02-02 03308, 2008
cooperaa
jeepers! no wonder I got such an ardent response!
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brianfreud
Create a Generic Work listing, then assign generic ARs for it - so you add the release by linking each track to a work, then pull up a “fill in the blanks” AR view, and just fill in the various blank ARs
2008-02-02 03323, 2008
brianfreud
lol, yeah. If you can live with 1-3+3a, I’m cool with it. The moment anyone wants to reassign away the TAs, /me gets out the veto pen :D
2008-02-02 03344, 2008
cooperaa
hehe
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cooperaa sends out a clarification note on the ML
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brianfreud
I think it’s much simpler then, than your note made it seem - only question would be, what constitutes a single performer?
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cooperaa
that's why I tried to give some pointers for determining that
2008-02-02 03342, 2008
cooperaa
obviously a solo performer
2008-02-02 03351, 2008
cooperaa
possibly we could set conductor if they're on all tracks
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brianfreud
Glenn Gould is easy.
2008-02-02 03308, 2008
brianfreud
Assume that other one I linked to didn’t also have the actual mass tracks mixed in.
2008-02-02 03308, 2008
pronik
brianfreud: how would you like a "musicbrainz network", i.e. several sites maintaining some particular information (classical metadata / lyrics / wikipedia linking / etc) which would sync their data to MB? You could make your script to a complete site this way ;)
2008-02-02 03312, 2008
brianfreud
Is “Boston Symphony Orchestra & New England Conservatory of Music Chorus pro Musica & Harvard Glee Club & Radcliff Glee Club” a single performer?
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cooperaa
I don't think it makes sense to use Orchestra... but maybe Orchestra feat conductor
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brianfreud
I wouldn’t want that cooperaa
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cooperaa
I don't think I would either
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cooperaa
my vote is for conductor
2008-02-02 03356, 2008
brianfreud
I’d much rather we finally add the ability to link a composer directly to an orchestra
2008-02-02 03311, 2008
brianfreud
not composer = artist-release AR, but composer = artist-artist AR
2008-02-02 03336, 2008
cooperaa
but I mean there is a Picard plugin for moving the (Orch feat cond) to release artist from the release title
2008-02-02 03341, 2008
brianfreud
forgot about that one. /me adds it to the list for the next “List of various issues” CSG email :P
2008-02-02 03303, 2008
brianfreud
oops, I meant conductor above, not composer
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cooperaa
conductor
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cooperaa
ya
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brianfreud
cooperaa, yes, but do we really need to break up, say, the BSO by conductor?
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cooperaa
... oh the irony of finding an audiobook of your course material after you've completed reading 80% of it already
2008-02-02 03357, 2008
cooperaa
brianfreud: no!
2008-02-02 03300, 2008
brianfreud
One BSO entry with the various conductors AR’d to the BSO and the releases properly is enough, I think.
2008-02-02 03307, 2008
cooperaa
haha forget I said anything about that
2008-02-02 03309, 2008
cooperaa
I want conductor
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cooperaa
a single person
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brianfreud
Boston Symphony Orchestra (feat. John Williams)
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brianfreud
Boston Symphony Orchestra (feat. Steve Smith)
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brianfreud
etc
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brianfreud
lol
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brianfreud
nooooooo
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cooperaa
who does not live forever in various incarnations
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brianfreud
just one Boston Symphony Orchestra artist :)
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cooperaa
yes
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brianfreud
hmmm, you mean like the GewandhausOrchester Leipzig?
2008-02-02 03300, 2008
brianfreud
founded 1743, still going strong today :P
2008-02-02 03328, 2008
cooperaa
exactly.
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luks
off topic: any favorite (preferably simple) mbserver bugs while I'm in coding mood?
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brianfreud
luks, do you know if that add AR mbid bug ever got fixed?
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pronik
luks: are you in perl or python coding mood? ;)
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luks
which one?
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luks
perl :)
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pronik
damn :)
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brianfreud
where submit dropped all by the first char of the mbid
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brianfreud
*by/but
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luks
hm, does it have a ticket?
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brianfreud
yes
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brianfreud finds it
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pronik
luks: do you actually reserve some code for i18n in the new pymbserver?
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yllona
drsaunde: i am pleased to report that my local pub does in fact serve maudite.
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luks
not sure yet
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luks
i18n of the user interface for MB it a *HUUUGE* task
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luks
*is
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pronik
brianfreud: isn't an orchestra a group with some members who are coming and going?
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luks
there is too much text everywhere
2008-02-02 03321, 2008
cooperaa
pronik: yes
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brianfreud
pronik, I would have to assume the original 14 members of the GewandhausOrchester Leipzig are not still in the orchestra
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cooperaa
:)
2008-02-02 03316, 2008
pronik
you never know, Coppelius started playing sometime in the 19th century and still going strong :D
luks: I've meant only the newly-written parts, i18ising the original mbserver is a huge task
2008-02-02 03330, 2008
luks
pronik: there is still too much text
2008-02-02 03343, 2008
luks
each language would need it's own templates
2008-02-02 03346, 2008
pronik
I've shown musicbrainz to some guys in the office last week and had some trouble evangelizing an english-only database
2008-02-02 03351, 2008
luks
or some more complex solution
2008-02-02 03314, 2008
luks
moving everything to a separate wiki would be good idea
2008-02-02 03336, 2008
pronik
so it wouldn't work even if someone volunteered to submit translations for it?
2008-02-02 03344, 2008
brianfreud
luks, I may be totally clueless, but wouldn’t it simply be a matter of extracting all text strings, changing them in the server code to language lookups to a table, then we can start translating that table to all the various languages?
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cooperaa
languages are a huge pain in the ass
2008-02-02 03323, 2008
cooperaa
I know because I work with a newly multilingual application at work
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pronik
brianfreud: in code itself yes, but there will be page templates which are not that easily translated
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cooperaa
so many hardcoded phrases, it's hard to get them all
