Vivaldi and Chopin are tied for 17th at 377 each, Schubert’s at 20th (360), Brahms at 21st (339), Wagner at 38th (279), Mahler at 41st (258), Verdi at 44th (235), Dvořák at 56th (213), Shostakovich tied for 57th (with Madonna and John Lee Hooker) (211), Rachmaninoff at 58th (206), and last of them in the top 100, at 91st place, Prokofiev has 151 releases
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brianfreud
so 15 of the largest 100 artists
2008-02-03 03424, 2008
brianfreud is surprised so many beat out Prokofiev
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brianfreud
oh, I missed Haydn, in 37th with 286
2008-02-03 03436, 2008
warp
dhampton: in general, such duplication in the database is not encouraged, but adding a duplicate is allowed, and no-one should have a reason to vote no on such an edit.
2008-02-03 03448, 2008
warp
s/adding a/adding such a/
2008-02-03 03456, 2008
brianfreud rechecks... oh yes, in 13th place (415 releases): Tchaikovsky - so 17 of the largest 100
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CatCat is displeased with uriah heep not being in the top 20
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CatCat
what # is it?
2008-02-03 03438, 2008
brianfreud
ummm, let me check - I know it’s in the top 100...
2008-02-03 03413, 2008
brianfreud
Uriah... 235 releases, tied with Verdi for 44th. Charlie Parker in 45th with 234, Tori Amos in 43rd with 248.
2008-02-03 03418, 2008
brianfreud
You’d have to add another 105 releases for Uriah to get into the top 20
artist is listed as Ravi Shankar, but actually it's complicated: this is a CD of two shorter LP releases: the first two tracks are Ravi Shankar & Ali Akbar Khan, and the last two are just Ali Akbar Khan
forrest: change the track artist for those two tracks to like AKK :)
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CatCat
nr 13 one of the 54 and 55 is BORK
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CatCat
last one too
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brianfreud
yeah, it’s the Russian ones - pastebin doesn’t like cyrillic
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CatCat
marillion?? whos done them?
2008-02-03 03438, 2008
brianfreud
that’s Tchaikovsky, Shostakovich, Rachmaninoff, and Prokofiev
2008-02-03 03401, 2008
CatCat grrnts at [nature sounds]
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CatCat
sould be merged inot no artist and have label info added
2008-02-03 03437, 2008
brianfreud
at least unknown’s out of the top 10... :)
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CatCat
ja jøss
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CatCat
29..
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forrest
brianfreud: should the album artist be changed to Ravi Shankar & Ali Akbar Khan? It has both names on the cover and the spine
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brianfreud
that’s what you seemed to be describing
2008-02-03 03402, 2008
brianfreud
mo: while I could maybe agree, I’d think of [nature sounds] as a child SPA of [no artist]... it’s at least allowing those to be separated from [applause] and similar crap
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brianfreud
howdy foolip :)
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foolip
gooday
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foolip
good night rather :|
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brianfreud
Had a question for you...
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foolip
oh, and vice versa, you first
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brianfreud
I don’t know how Chinese works, but I was originally going to add it to the CSG thing I threw together, but when I tried getting the words, I got different characters, so I left it out. I got “為” for “for”, but “6桶” for “for 6 drums” - so Chinese combines characters?
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brianfreud decided asian languages weren’t worth the effort for a proof of concept thingie :P
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foolip
do you mean for as in "sonata for piano" and such?
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brianfreud
yep
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foolip
well, most of the time there wouldn't be a word corresponding to for, it would rather be "piano sonata"
2008-02-03 03402, 2008
brianfreud
what about “concerto for 2 pianos and violin”?
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foolip
hmm, let me see on the very few classical releases there actually are
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brianfreud
I originally had Chinese as a dropdown option in http://www.brianfreud.byethost13.com/COBottle.html (I figure I can add Norwegian and Swedish and such if you guys want, if you tell me what words and quotes to use)
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foolip
there are linked from ChineseNotes in the wiki btw
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foolip
no luck there, maybe wikipedia
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brianfreud
oh well :P
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foolip
what's a very famous work on that form?
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brianfreud
I tried to at least include support for non-diatonic scale classical, so it’s kind of supported
But how is the video half toc’ing at all of 7 seconds if it’s redbook+VCD standard?
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brianfreud
should be closer to 30 minutes...
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foolip
the 7 seconds is just some files on an iso filesystem, much like a VCD I guess
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foolip
the actual video is contained on tracks 2, 3 and 4
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brianfreud
if you put the CD in a standalone CD player, does it skip the data tracks, or do you get audio garbage on the first few tracks?
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foolip
haven't tried, but as you see there's a discid, that is the TOC you're seeing there
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brianfreud
yeah
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brianfreud
Do you remember when they first started putting data on audio CDs - the so called “mixed data+audio” CDs, in the early-mid 80’s?
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foolip
so I don't think there's anything illegitimate about releases which look like this, question is how to name the video tracks
2008-02-03 03413, 2008
foolip
I remember my first data+audio CD
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brianfreud
That looks just like the toc for one of those, where the data tracks were tracked like audio, and you had to skip the data tracks or blow your speakers...
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foolip
exactly
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foolip
I remeber that CD, hehe
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brianfreud
hmmmm
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foolip
but anyway, if it were a DVD I wouldn't be putting the track names in brackets, right?
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brianfreud
iir the VCD standard, these break the Chinese VCD-standards too then, since the VCD standard includes the redbook (no mixed video+audio same session) rules...
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foolip
that's not unlikely at all, I bought this in China
2008-02-03 03421, 2008
foolip
they call them AVCD and this is what they look like
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foolip
I think a Chinese DVD player would be able to play it...
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brianfreud
yeah... hmmm. I don’t think we ever made a guideline for those. There were so few mixed CDs made before the redbook added that rule.
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brianfreud
Most DVD players can; most just don’t mention it :P
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foolip
do you think "Song Title (music video)" would be a better title?
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brianfreud
I guess you’re ok the way you did it - maybe an annotation note that tracks 1-n are data tracks, just so we know any puids attached there are bork
2008-02-03 03402, 2008
brianfreud
maybe “约定 [data track]”?
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foolip
hmm, putting the whole title in brackets is customary for any special form
well, the song title isn’t anything special - were this a DVD, we’d just list the titles. But the special part is that it’s a data track...
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foolip
for consistency, either I should change my release or I should tell that editor that I just made up a guideline that I want him to follow (not really)
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brianfreud
sounds like something worth hitting the style list on
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foolip
following the covers of these AVCD:s they usually say "Song Title MV"
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foolip
yes, perhaps this is an issue for the style list
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brianfreud
I seem to recall seeing a few Japanese CD singles that had 4-5 initial data tracks, they all just have “[data track]” in each title, nothing else
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foolip
so about mozart, D大调第十六钢琴协奏曲 means "Piano concerto No. 16 in D (major)"
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brianfreud
if you do a direct search on “[data track]” and look for any track # higher than 1, you ought to find them - I saw them when last I went through looking for bork trailing [data track]s
2008-02-03 03424, 2008
brianfreud
shouldn’t there be a 16 in there somewhere?
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foolip
十六 is 16
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brianfreud
ah
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foolip
I don't know what this is in English
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brianfreud
yeah, I think asian lang i18n might be too much for that page’s relatively simple script :P
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foolip
but if it were "concerto for piano" I don't think the Chinese title would change
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foolip
yes, especially if you're not a language expert yourself
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foolip
I have one example of Chinese names of classic music actually in the database though
but, if you're dropping Chinese support from your script that may not matter so much any more
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brianfreud
now, were say 一閃一閃小星星 (C大調變奏曲 K. 265) or 悠悠的風 (Waltz in A flat, Op. 39 No. 15) to be listed in correct CSG for each composer, would you be totally offended? :)
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foolip
well, it would remove information
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foolip
in the first case it says "Twinkle Twinkle Little Star"
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brianfreud
?
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foolip
yes, 一閃一閃小星星
2008-02-03 03420, 2008
brianfreud
what does C大調變奏曲 mean?
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foolip
hmm, maybe "variations in C"
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foolip
you can see that there are annotations on most tracks
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brianfreud
yeah
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brianfreud
just wondering, because K. 265 is 12 Variations on French Traditional: "Ah, vous dirai-je, Maman" for Piano in C major
