I'm working on a different part now, but if anyone can think of other good places to find data (where it's consistant in where that data is) let me know
2008-02-16 04724, 2008
BrianG
luks: how does that work? does it use global tags or personal tags?
2008-02-16 04733, 2008
luks
global tags only
2008-02-16 04736, 2008
BrianG
:/
2008-02-16 04747, 2008
BrianG
people aren't good taggers
2008-02-16 04750, 2008
luks
should be easy to make it use personal tags, though
2008-02-16 04757, 2008
BrianG
:)
2008-02-16 04715, 2008
luks
ehm, actually maybe not
2008-02-16 04719, 2008
BrianG
:(
2008-02-16 04731, 2008
luks
I'm not sure if the webservice provides that
2008-02-16 04722, 2008
BrianG
we're going to all end up with Indie tags
2008-02-16 04744, 2008
luks
you can add them to the ignore list :)
2008-02-16 04716, 2008
BrianG
then my indie tags won't be applied to what's actually indie
2008-02-16 04731, 2008
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2008-02-16 04730, 2008
dholmes_
FunctorSalad? Do you grok SML?
2008-02-16 04718, 2008
FunctorSalad
sorry, no :)
2008-02-16 04734, 2008
FunctorSalad
(I mean I don't know about it at all)
2008-02-16 04740, 2008
dholmes_
Must be a different kind of nerd, then :|
2008-02-16 04741, 2008
warp usually submits tags for the currently playing album (from the commandline :).
2008-02-16 04710, 2008
luks
hmm, not a bad idea
2008-02-16 04711, 2008
FunctorSalad
well, I started learning haskell ;)
2008-02-16 04718, 2008
FunctorSalad
(@ dholmes_)
2008-02-16 04721, 2008
dholmes_
Heh
2008-02-16 04730, 2008
dholmes_
I never did a lot of haskell
2008-02-16 04731, 2008
luks
except that I'd prefer a window when QL switches to a new album
2008-02-16 04737, 2008
dholmes_
(about five lines in a programming languages class ;)
2008-02-16 04743, 2008
FunctorSalad
does learning SML instead of haskell make me that different? ;)
2008-02-16 04750, 2008
FunctorSalad
err, other way round
2008-02-16 04704, 2008
dholmes_
Doubtful; those langauges are more similar to each other than to any other language I've seen
2008-02-16 04713, 2008
FunctorSalad
yeah thought that too
2008-02-16 04732, 2008
Shapeshifter
uhm, talkin about tagging, for anyone who's lookin for a nice library manager, check out J.River Media Jukebox. It's free (as in beer) and really powerful. A great tagger, too (http://www.mediajukebox.com/ )
2008-02-16 04709, 2008
dholmes_
Does this new tagging functionality just dump one/all of a track/album/artist's tags into the ID3 tag?
2008-02-16 04713, 2008
Shapeshifter
It looks like just another iTunes, but I've been using it for 4 years and it's mighty powerfull
2008-02-16 04717, 2008
luks
why would we need that if we have picard? :)
2008-02-16 04755, 2008
FunctorSalad
easytag is pretty cool for tagging too (no offense to Shapeshifter! haven't tried Media Jukebox yet)
2008-02-16 04716, 2008
luks
dholmes_: no, checks tag usage, filters tags from ignore list, gets X most used tags and then dumps those into the ID3 tag
2008-02-16 04727, 2008
dholmes_
nice
2008-02-16 04747, 2008
luks
it's pretty much copy of the last.fm plugin
2008-02-16 04753, 2008
Shapeshifter
luks: yeah I just joined this channel today, never heard of picard... I'l try it out sometime on linux (as MJ isn't available for linux unfortunately) but I love all the functionality MJ has... burn to cd, convert into any format OTF to you player (which might not support ape or flac, so it will convert into any given format an d butrate without touching local files)... and it's not bloated
2008-02-16 04714, 2008
Shapeshifter
easytag is great, yeah. unfortunately no mp4 support in windows
2008-02-16 04721, 2008
luks
but it doesn't use MB :)
2008-02-16 04734, 2008
luks
so you don't get all the cool tags automatically
2008-02-16 04741, 2008
Shapeshifter
yeah. people at jriver have been begging for MB integration
2008-02-16 04759, 2008
Shapeshifter
it uses YADB... might be something similar to MB but without that fingerprint stuff I think...
2008-02-16 04707, 2008
Shapeshifter
not sure
2008-02-16 04701, 2008
dholmes_
Looks more like FreeDB than MB
2008-02-16 04736, 2008
dholmes_
Hm, actually, looks like neither
2008-02-16 04758, 2008
dholmes_
Doesn't look like there's a lot of information about YADB is or how it works. Looks like it's got nothing on MB though
brianfreud wonders why people would do dvd lookups... http://www.yadb.com/stats.html
2008-02-16 04708, 2008
brianfreud
bad policy... "CD Lookup does not work well for discs with just a few tracks. Statistics are not kept for discs with 4 or less tracks."
2008-02-16 04742, 2008
brianfreud
considering even our worst such case is only 11 tocs, then 2 with 5, then a few dozen that 1 toc = 3 releases, it's not half as bad as they make it sound...
2008-02-16 04704, 2008
dholmes_
Well, they do have all sorts of DVDs containing various sorts of music. If there was a uniform way of ripping them and I was actually in the habit of doing so, I wouldn't mind having that information in MB
2008-02-16 04728, 2008
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dholmes_
But yeah, considering that there's nothing talking about the openness of this system, it sounds more like CDDB than anything else
2008-02-16 04702, 2008
MBChatLogger
Ewww! Gross!
2008-02-16 04702, 2008
brianfreud
yup; Gracenote clone...
2008-02-16 04715, 2008
dholmes_
lol, I hadn't seen that auto-response
2008-02-16 04759, 2008
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dholmes_
This program actually seems like a pretty decent library-based music player for Windows (not having actually tried it). The whole thing seems too proprietary to stand out, though
2008-02-16 04716, 2008
Shapeshifter
when you start it though ;)
2008-02-16 04750, 2008
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2008-02-16 04722, 2008
luks wonders about a script to import genre/style from discogs, now that it's PD licensed
2008-02-16 04722, 2008
peh
how come my Picard (QT) all of a sudden says "W: 3083228864 21:39:54 No decoders found! Fingerprinting will be disabled." when I start it, these days? it used to work.. :/
2008-02-16 04728, 2008
dholmes_
Right now I'm actually using WMP11, which has some substantial shortcomings with plugin support, but I'm not going to switch until I have a robust way to export track ratings
2008-02-16 04747, 2008
luks
peh: compiled manually I guess?
2008-02-16 04754, 2008
peh
yup
2008-02-16 04759, 2008
luks
how?
2008-02-16 04712, 2008
luks
./setup.py config && ./setup.py install ?
2008-02-16 04739, 2008
peh
with Arch Linux' AUR (Arch User Repository). it's like BSD's pkgsrc.. :P
2008-02-16 04747, 2008
peh
so basically what I'm saying is, I have no idea :D
2008-02-16 04748, 2008
Shapeshifter
dholmes_: export track ratings from mp3 files or from wmp?
2008-02-16 04756, 2008
luks
then I'd report a bug to the packager
2008-02-16 04708, 2008
Shapeshifter
peh: yay :D another arch user *waves
2008-02-16 04709, 2008
luks
probably a missing dependency
2008-02-16 04715, 2008
dholmes_
Shapeshifter: from wmp. And also import from iTunes and Rhythmbox
Shapeshifter: I'm not a believer that ratings belong in mp3 files anyways. ratings aren't a property of songs, they're a relation between songs and listeners
2008-02-16 04723, 2008
luks
peh: yes, it doesn't list ffmpeg in depends
2008-02-16 04739, 2008
peh
but.. but.. i HAVE ffmpeg installed :P
2008-02-16 04753, 2008
Shapeshifter
dholmes_: yeah that does make sense but it makes stuff a lot easier if the ratings are stored in the file.
2008-02-16 04753, 2008
peh
darnit.. i'll just recompile
2008-02-16 04715, 2008
luks
do you have something like /usr/include/libavcodec/...?
2008-02-16 04739, 2008
luks
acually /usr/include/ffmpeg
2008-02-16 04748, 2008
peh
i have libavc1394/ but that's obviously some FireWire-thingie
2008-02-16 04756, 2008
peh
yup, I have that
2008-02-16 04758, 2008
luks
pkg-config libavcodec --libs
2008-02-16 04702, 2008
luks
does this work?
2008-02-16 04707, 2008
Shapeshifter
dholmes_: can't you just make wmp add the ratings to all your files so you can retreive them in any other library player and then wipe them off the files again?
2008-02-16 04724, 2008
luks
and the same for libavformat
2008-02-16 04733, 2008
dholmes_
Shapeshifter: That's a good idea. I wonder why I never thought of that. ;)
2008-02-16 04745, 2008
peh
luks: yup. looks allright
2008-02-16 04758, 2008
Shapeshifter
^^
2008-02-16 04709, 2008
luks
then it looks just like a compilation issue
2008-02-16 04719, 2008
peh
luks: oh well
2008-02-16 04722, 2008
dholmes_
Shapeshifter: in the long term, what I actually want is a way to associate ratings with MusicBrainz track IDs; that way I can keep ratings associated with songs no matter if the path or filename changes, etc. so long as the ID remains in the tag
2008-02-16 04724, 2008
peh
thanks :)
2008-02-16 04743, 2008
luks
the config setup in build() should tell you if it found all it needs
2008-02-16 04754, 2008
luks
this arch thing looks even worse than gentoo... :)
2008-02-16 04706, 2008
brianfreud
luks: // discogsTags[] :P
2008-02-16 04716, 2008
aCiD2
Worse then gentoo? So you mean it's second best?;)
2008-02-16 04720, 2008
luks
brianfreud: javascript...
2008-02-16 04729, 2008
peh
Arch r00lz! wewt!
2008-02-16 04732, 2008
brianfreud
already have it scraped :D
2008-02-16 04732, 2008
luks
yes! the bestestest!
2008-02-16 04702, 2008
luks
but you import it manually, I meant like for all releases in the DB with discogs links :)
2008-02-16 04713, 2008
Shapeshifter
dholmes_: so you want your player to read the track ID, and then retreive the rating from some sort of DB where all the ratings are?
2008-02-16 04716, 2008
brianfreud
meh, true
2008-02-16 04724, 2008
Shapeshifter
dholmes_: or how do you imagine this to work?
2008-02-16 04731, 2008
peh
allright, it's recompiled. no more error message!
2008-02-16 04736, 2008
luks
cool
2008-02-16 04745, 2008
luks
I'd still bug the packager
2008-02-16 04754, 2008
aCiD2 grumbles at MPD randomly blowing up... again
2008-02-16 04704, 2008
dholmes_
Shapeshifter: That would sure be nice, but I don't imagine that happening in anything except maybe bmpx someday. Failing that, scripts to import between that DB and various players would suffice.
2008-02-16 04722, 2008
aCiD2
brb...
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peh
and it's creating fingerprints too. sweet
2008-02-16 04754, 2008
peh
luks: nah, it's probably a PEBKAC-error :P
2008-02-16 04710, 2008
luks
missing depends is not
2008-02-16 04711, 2008
peh
luks: I must have fscked something up, without realizing it...
2008-02-16 04722, 2008
luks
it depends on libofa, which is useless without ffmpeg
2008-02-16 04709, 2008
peh
..but libofa depends on ffmpeg in turn. see. ;) you don't use "double dependencies" in PKGBUILDS
2008-02-16 04724, 2008
luks
it doesn't
2008-02-16 04731, 2008
dholmes_
Shapeshifter: Note that the DB in question could be MusicBrainz itself. There was a time when it looked like MB would have ratings data for everything.
dholmes_: but you just said that ratings shouldn't be stored with the tracks (and therefore not within MB) as it's something personal
2008-02-16 04734, 2008
dholmes_
Shapeshifter: In that system, they weren't per track, they were per track, user pair
2008-02-16 04742, 2008
dholmes_
So each user had their own
2008-02-16 04747, 2008
Shapeshifter
k
2008-02-16 04756, 2008
Shapeshifter
yay I blew my vista machine by opening a large xml file. opera just gave me an error, while IE froze the whole machine
2008-02-16 04708, 2008
brianfreud
quick question - what would be regex to match a string starting with http:// ?
2008-02-16 04741, 2008
brianfreud
* /http:\/\// ?
2008-02-16 04743, 2008
Tykling
^http:\/\/ i guess
2008-02-16 04746, 2008
Tykling
you possible don't even need to escape the slashes, depending on where it is :)
2008-02-16 04709, 2008
brianfreud
:) thanks
2008-02-16 04722, 2008
Tykling
in a sed expression you'd need to escape them, but if you are just matching it shouldn't be necccesary
2008-02-16 04726, 2008
Tykling
np
2008-02-16 04727, 2008
Tykling
:)
2008-02-16 04729, 2008
Shapeshifter
lol.... vista. such a joke... I pressed ctrl-alt-del and I got a black screen for 5 minutes, then there's this funny popup saying "Failure - Securit Options" "Logon process has failed to create the security options dialog" instead of where the taskmanager button should be :P
2008-02-16 04700, 2008
dholmes_
I've actually been pretty lucky with Vista so far
2008-02-16 04711, 2008
dholmes_
It seems to be very much a "your mileage may vary" thing
2008-02-16 04745, 2008
Shapeshifter
LOL and now I'm running low on disk space on C.... that xml file is still "opening", at least my harddisk goes mad... while IE is "not responding"...
2008-02-16 04748, 2008
Shapeshifter
no way to stop this
2008-02-16 04701, 2008
dholmes_
The only problem I've had with Vista is that Windows Explorer has blocking issues and is occasionally unresponsive
