I'm just trying to think of what "new" could be, given that there's already some pretty lofty goals being aimed for in eventual development
2008-03-04 06416, 2008
aCiD2
right
2008-03-04 06426, 2008
ruaok
yeah, the key is that we need to have "new" in the sense of a "new start".
2008-03-04 06448, 2008
ruaok
which means some less glorious work up ahead.
2008-03-04 06401, 2008
ruaok
i18n is important. and now is the time. :)
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nikki
and it makes me happy!
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BrianFreudf
which is good :)
2008-03-04 06453, 2008
BrianFreudf
ruaok: totally different topic, but in terms of optimizing, have you ever considered turning on minification for the HTML that gets fed out?
2008-03-04 06447, 2008
nikki
minification?
2008-03-04 06454, 2008
ruaok
that and gzip.
2008-03-04 06408, 2008
BrianFreudf
yeah, hadn't checked, but I was guessing gzip wasn't on
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aCiD2
BrianFreudf: As in stripping extra whitespace? could be tricky for how fragile the html is atm
2008-03-04 06422, 2008
ruaok
but what is amazing about all this is that since the RDF webservice traffic is declining and the XML increasing, we're constant on our bandwidth usage.
2008-03-04 06452, 2008
nikki
gzip makes more sense to me than stripping whitespace, html is terribly repetitive
2008-03-04 06417, 2008
BrianFreudf
aCiD2: I think it looks more fragile than it actually is - I've pretty much been post-shredding the site, and there's only one place I've found that's "touchy"
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aCiD2
ah, ok
2008-03-04 06442, 2008
BrianFreudf
(the amazon text and image on releases - funky things happen there, I think because it's not in its own div)
2008-03-04 06445, 2008
ruaok
ok, I'm off to ETech in San Diego for some serious smoozing on MB's behalf.
2008-03-04 06451, 2008
BrianFreudf
have fun :)
2008-03-04 06451, 2008
nikki
have fun
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ruaok
I might pop in occaisonally, but don't expect me back til late thursday.
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ruaok
thanks!
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ruaok
ta ta!
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BrianFreudf
c ya
2008-03-04 06455, 2008
BrianFreudf
aCiD2: yeah, though, if I could just wave a wand and change all of two things, I'd 1) add mbid-support universally, and 2) add ID attributes to all elements
2008-03-04 06405, 2008
aCiD2
all elements?
2008-03-04 06409, 2008
BrianFreudf
yeah
2008-03-04 06450, 2008
BrianFreudf
crawling through 5 levels of nested tables with gEBTN is a total pain in the current site, when a single short gEBId would be so much cleaner and less fragile
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aCiD2
true
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nikki
if I had my way, I'd just strip tons of stuff out
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nikki
but then again, I'm a minimalist
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BrianFreudf
actually, it's a totally crazy idea, but I've been thinking, what if you broke the site into 3 divs. One for each menu, one for the "main view".
2008-03-04 06406, 2008
BrianFreudf
Then just have each menu as its own HTML page, the entire body contents of which you add in to the 2 divs with js after the real page loads
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aCiD2
nikki: tons can be stripped out
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aCiD2
but then I'm also a minimalist :P
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nikki
hehe
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BrianFreudf
then the menus a) come out of the mess they currently make in the HTML, and b) are cacheable
2008-03-04 06411, 2008
aCiD2
BrianFreudf: not liking that, you have to consider non-js users
2008-03-04 06406, 2008
BrianFreudf
sure, but you could always make it so the first page fed it always "vanilla", and if js is enabled on that browser, it gets a different version of the page which does that, else it just gets the vanilla version
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BrianFreudf
sending the menu HTML over and over and over on every single page though has to be quite wasteful
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aCiD2
yes, but comprosing navigation for non-js users is pretty much a no-no for me as for as usability goes...
2008-03-04 06438, 2008
BrianFreudf
that's why I say, make it so the menus are there in a vanilla version, but have a js-check on that page - if it detects js turned on, it adds a "&js=on" or something to links, so then the server knows it can feed the much smaller js-versions of the pages
2008-03-04 06430, 2008
nikki
hey, do you guys know much about sessions?
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BrianFreudf
depends on the question :)
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aCiD2 knows a bit
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nikki
just in general, I don't really have any idea of how they work
2008-03-04 06457, 2008
nikki
simon tried explaining them when I complained about the sheer number of cookies the advanced edit search creates
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nikki
but I forgot it all :(
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aCiD2
cookie stored on client side holds some type of uuid, looked up on server side to fetch data
2008-03-04 06411, 2008
nikki
ah
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BrianFreudf
basically a variable storing your info, so the server doesn't keep forgetting who you are or what you're doing
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aCiD2
ok, cya tomorrow
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aCiD2
time to watch more lost :P
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futilius
hi
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futilius
I have a special edition CD that has a bonus track that the regular version doesn't
2008-03-04 06402, 2008
futilius
how should I enter it? neither is currently in the database
Earliest version/later versioning is turning out to be far more trouble than it's worth...
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srotta
pbryan: :P
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srotta
pbryan: I guess I threw a few no votes your way.
2008-03-04 06423, 2008
srotta
pbryan: But look on the bright side, I didn't touch the "remaster"/"earliest release" controversy.
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pbryan
Heh.
2008-03-04 06439, 2008
pbryan
No problem.
2008-03-04 06420, 2008
pbryan
I've canceled my remaining open edits until I get a better handle. The source of this information (booklets) is clearly incorrect and/or the releases I am choosing are not the originals to base it on.
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pbryan
Now, to really cleanup the mess, I'm thinking I should undo the edits that did get accepted.
2008-03-04 06443, 2008
pbryan
Thoughts?
2008-03-04 06401, 2008
srotta
pbryan: The Queen edits, or are there other ones as well?
2008-03-04 06421, 2008
pbryan
Queen and Essential Dave Brubeck
2008-03-04 06433, 2008
pbryan
I tried 4 discs as a pilot.
2008-03-04 06445, 2008
pbryan
Neither turns out to be acceptable without significant amount of research.
2008-03-04 06434, 2008
pbryan
Problem is, a bunch of my edits got in now. :)
2008-03-04 06452, 2008
pbryan
Any AutoEditors want to make my life easy? ;)
2008-03-04 06415, 2008
srotta
The accepted Queen edits I checked, they should be ok. The only ones with problems were the ones I noed.
2008-03-04 06438, 2008
pbryan
Okay, well they should be toast (soon, when cancellations kick in).
2008-03-04 06457, 2008
srotta
Ok, there may be some that are AR'd on album when a single was released before the album, but that's nit-picking - I usually add those ARs to albums myself (if the single and album versions are the same, that is).
2008-03-04 06413, 2008
pbryan
Sure, but if the track times are way off, then it can't be the same version.
2008-03-04 06418, 2008
srotta
Yeah.
2008-03-04 06424, 2008
pbryan
Thanks for catching that.
2008-03-04 06418, 2008
srotta
At least One Vision might be an original edit to that compilation, but I can't be sure since I didn't find any complete version information about it.
2008-03-04 06415, 2008
pbryan
I truly can't be sure unless I have the collection on which to compare the compilation tracks.
2008-03-04 06443, 2008
pbryan
I think it's best to leave it to those who have artist collections to do baseline comparisons of.
2008-03-04 06459, 2008
pbryan
"I read it in a booklet" has turned out to be insufficient.
2008-03-04 06405, 2008
srotta
Yeah. That Classic Queen had some information in Wikipedia, and Wikipedia in general has some information on different available versions, but not on all tracks.
2008-03-04 06442, 2008
srotta
Yep, too often booklets contain inadequate information. Many compilations (for all artists) contain single versions of tracks that differ from the album versions, but you don't often see that mentioned in covers.
2008-03-04 06424, 2008
pbryan
An another topic, I'm finding many releases are released under multiple labels. One disc has three labels: Wide Open, Monument, Columbia. Thus far, I've been relying on what label is most prominent on the spine and cover to pick one. Question #1: Is this the best approach. Question #2: Any enhancement requests outstanding to allow a release instance to tag multiple labels?
2008-03-04 06445, 2008
warp
pbryan: for choosing labels, I mostly rely on the catalog number matching other catalog numbers of one of the labels.
2008-03-04 06420, 2008
warp
pbryan: but i tend to listen to music which is released by labels which use recognizable catalog numbers... it's not very useful if it's just a barcode in disguise ;)
2008-03-04 06433, 2008
srotta
I usually pick the "smallest" one, but on the other hand I usually deal with labels I know.
2008-03-04 06423, 2008
pbryan
If it's ambiguous, best not to specify?
2008-03-04 06402, 2008
srotta
So I use Herodes for Sir Elwood releases instead of EMI, even though both labels are on the backcover and there's no distinct cat#.
2008-03-04 06448, 2008
pbryan
Because Herodes is more distinct ... granular (less releases under them than parent giant EMI)?
2008-03-04 06452, 2008
srotta
Some people add a release event for all the labels. I'm not too fond of multiplying a single release event.
2008-03-04 06455, 2008
srotta
pbryan: Right.
2008-03-04 06418, 2008
pbryan
Alrighty. That's been in the same vein as I've been following.
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pbryan
Just not definitive though, unless I can tell what catalog the catalog number actually ties to.
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warp
pbryan: it's definitely better to have whichever label from the backcover than not entering one at all.
2008-03-04 06442, 2008
pbryan
Alright. I'll keep that in mind.
2008-03-04 06457, 2008
pbryan
Anyone considering allowing multiple to be specified per release instance?
2008-03-04 06417, 2008
warp
multiple labels?
2008-03-04 06416, 2008
srotta
I don't know. Not a bad idea, at least it would be better than guesswork 8)
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mudcrow
multiple labels = good idea, but would result in a huge mess when most people cant seem to identify one label, let alone multiple labels
2008-03-04 06436, 2008
warp
a single release event is released by a single label normally, it's just not always clear which one. allowing multiple labels is not a solution to that problem.
2008-03-04 06422, 2008
mudcrow
i saw MCPS as a label the other day with C78 as the cat number. MCPS is the royalties collection agency, C78 = copyright 1978 :/
2008-03-04 06433, 2008
srotta
I'd say finding the correct label on some releases is damn near impossible. And since the release mentions multiple labels, it might be a good idea to allow people add those multiple labels. Even better if you knew their roles in the process, but that's even harder to realize :P
