#musicbrainz

luks: would it be at all possible to be able to search within edits? like for artist-url in add relationships or say, time changes in a merged edit track edit

lauri: It's been a long, long time since I've had to wait more than 24 hours to have a merge go through.

freso: i thought it was an obvious one too, but he'll vote no (and that was open more than 24 hours and got one single no vote)

bad timing, i guess, easter holiday

lauri: I wasn't around for your promotion of the Happy Merge in the channel. :)

if you wanna try it again, i'll yes bomb it, sure

i don't normally ask for votes in here

nikki: I'm thinking about adding edit type flags to the moderation table

so that edit types will be separate from the code (the current edit types) that handles them

and it would be possible to search for specific AR edits, too

i'm not particularly asking for them now, i'm just checking my even wanting to merge it is not completely insane

i think not wanting to merge it is insane

given what we've got now

lauri: I don't either. Just for merges, to get the duplicate artist(s) removed ASAP.

ojnkpjg: that could be. but as a card-carrying member of the michael jackson fan club from 1969, thru the 1980s. i beg someone to try. and yes fan clubs issued printed wallet cards back in the day :)

luks: if we had something like that so we can still search for specific things, I don't see why merged types would be such a problem for people

lauri: http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=8512480

If people are quick(!) to vote on http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=8512480 - it'll go through within minutes.

why is it merging into Paul McCartney & Michael Jackson and not the other way around ?

Or, wait. I think my clock needs to be sync'ed.

zoke: Paul and MJ has more information related to them and is an older entry.

*is the older

the only thing I can think of is if there are some good edits and some bad edits within the same one... but that's always a problem

yeah, i'd say the one with more edit history should always be merge target

and then adjusted to be correct, if necessary, after the merge

you could do a normal edit track name now and correct one thing and make something else bad

Freso: py_mb_server!

Freso, ok then voting yes

:)

aCiD2: OMGYES!

I thought edit history was merged when artists were merged?

and welcome back

haha

aCiD2: Thank you. :)

i think it's lost for the merged artist

Was it good?

aCiD2: Awesome.

but i could be wrong

cool

Pictures coming up any day. :)

:)

Oh, whoa! I just noticed the "Edit Rel. Types". I'd completely forgotten about that. :p

heh, let's see if that gets through before he notices it then

kind of a cheap trick :P

but bad timing

still 50 minutes before the hour

i feel a little underhanded doing it heh

ojnkpjg: Yeah. Ten minutes earlier would have been excellent.

i think it's obviously enough the right thing to do in this case, though

either way, the collab ar's are unecessary

yep

Yeah. It is. (And I wouldn't care if Paul & MJ are renamed MJ & Paul, but they *are* the older entry.)

so i leaving my no vote on those

it's not like there's a notion of primacy on those

i don't care either, that was the point i was trying to get through to him heh

even if people wrongly perceive one based on order

nobody _but_ him actually cares, certainly not based on 'who sings first in the song', if he really wants to edit the order, go ahead

it's the duplication that's dumb, not the artist name order

okay, folks on the michael jackson/paul mccartney collabs: the album owner gets first marquee -- end of story. as for msuic publishing (ie composer), that's another story. those rights are *heavily negotiated*. it's not about "who sings first"

I had a suspicion that was so, but wasn't sure enough to bring it up in the edit

and "who sings first" is also part of the negotiation

so for those two artists especially, it's all contractual -- not artistic :)

so the jackson / mccartney order is actually the correct one

yep.

you'll notice that the music publishing may have a slightly different order :)

no point editing it now, i'd have to think up a disambig comment

but as soon as that merge is done

but then michael bought the beatles catalog in it's entirety

actually that was part of the deal, michael had the where with all to buy the catalog, and paul mccartney was like -- WTF? how did this happen.

heh, i get a little stabbing pain every time i hear one of those old songs and remember that cute wee boy turned into such a frooty loop

but yeah, he wasn't stupid either, some of those deals were genius

lauri: yes, it's really sad

yllona: http://www.popmatters.com/music/features/050209...

that may be the first time i actually found a bookmark of mine on delicious the same day i started to look for it

lauri: the michael jackson for my first crush -- http://tinyurl.com/246sx7

ahahha, i think i had that poster on my wall

yep. me too. :)

or maybe it was this one: http://www.bbc.co.uk/totp2/features/wallpaper/i...

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and here: http://tinyurl.com/2qjdtm

yllona: just caught up on the scrollback; That may be the order on albums, but my understanding was we just use alphabetical order....

no "who sang first" or "who owns the album" or anything like that - just "we know it's a hack until we can do it right with multiple artists"

BrianFreud: then that's a major problem

alphabetical order? that's a new one on me

i use whatever order is on the album i'm adding them from

and if someone says 'but they're much more commonly credited other way around', and shows me some cites, i wouldn't argue with that either

but for the michael jackson / paul mccartney collabs. michael jacson first. really no discusion needed her.

lauri: that works all the way until the order's different on the next track / release

*here

if the next one is a compilation, i don't care heh, i just use the existing artist entry

and i find the order rarely reverses between actual releases by actual collabs, if they're doing whole albums together

me either; it's a hack, the order long-term is meaningless anyhow

i mean, c s & n, didn't randomly switch their names around on albums

oh, I don't mean that type of & - Peter, Paul and Mary, etc.

but it's very difficult to tell them apart sometimes

I mean "John Bob & Foo Smith & Bar Cruise" etc

so going with what's on the cover i've got, is the best i can do

btw, lauri, you were looking for me about 10 hours ago?

yes, i was going to give you chocolate, but now i ate it

aCiD2: Wb.

lol

or uhm, possibly, did i say what it was about?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1czBcnX1Ww that thing is freaky :S

aCiD2: Do you use Jabber (e.g. Google Talk, LiveJournal) or some such?

oh i know

Freso: can do Jabber (would like to convert to jabber, too many msn friends though)

aCiD2: freso.dk at gmail

now that i did all my subscribed artists with your shiny happy cd baby script, i got a bunch more busted ones

Freso: I think I've ended up inviting you to gmail o.O

ooooh, and while i was there, i found an album i must buy (And you might want for your niece yllona)

yeah, I'm hearing that from a lot of people; I think CD Baby seriously screwed up generating maybe 20-30% of their tocs

lauri: please?

yllona: http://cdbaby.com/cd/moo

aCiD2: Haha. I'll be sure to decline. :p

bo diddley kids music!

feel free to keep a list though, I'll compile it all together and keep forwarding it on to them

haha

brian: i notice most of mine are older albums, maybe they have their act together now

and, bo diddley kids music with a tribute to bob dylan called "Puddle Stomping,Peanut Butter Blues, and Bob-Along"

how could you not love that

oh heh, that's three different songs, oh well, i'm buying it anyway

lauri_: thanks, most excellent

lauri_ is now known as lauri

lauri and BrianFreud: more kid music from that vibe: http://www.amazon.com/Ow-Barrence-Whitfield-Sav...

ruaok: do you have a machine set up with lucene_index and some hours at hand?

heh, lucky daughter, has a birthday coming up in 3 weeks

did you have a report somewhere brian of cd's that need toc's added?

ojnkpjg made one, though zoke's been working at it, it prob needs a refresh

i got nothing better to do tonight, tv is hopeless and the weather is too bad to run around naked under the moon

running around naked \o7

lauri: Aw. You beat me. :)