#musicbrainz

BrianFreud: If the only argument for having an instrument is "A Discogs instrument AR we don't yet list.", please move it to /Discogs. That page is insanely huge now.

BrianFreud: (But good job other than that!)

Large yes, but organized so it's actually functional - isn't the point that instruments kind of should rot there until they get the blanks filled in?

BrianFreud: (I had no idea you would take it on yourself to actually reformat the current requests.)

lol, I kept all comments as is, but that one melodion one is such a mess, I left it as is :P

BrianFreud: Yes, but I still don't think the fact that they're on Discogs' list is enough that they need to be added ASAP - unlike those instruments that should already be used by ARs.

BrianFreud: But I'm removing tap dance, just a sec.

well, the Discogs ones create a problem for the 3 or so of us who want to work on a Discogs AR importer - there's too little match between Discogs ARs and ours atm without them

my sense is though, keep it together - if those move elsewhere, someone who needs it will just readd it here, and we'll end up with lists in 2 places, rather than a single centralized list

(but maybe now that it's readable and the blanks can be seen, ppl will fill them in :D )

BrianFreud: Or perhaps people will just ignore the page now altogether due to the huge amount of stuff that isn't needed in the db as it is.

lol, any more than people ignore it now?

BrianFreud: I'm quite discouraged from reading through the page right now, so I'm guessing yes.

BrianFreud: And mo was discouraged just by the Discogs stuff before the restructure... I don't reckon this will help in the least.

well, honestly, not your fault or mo's, but it takes so long for anyone to move anything from the list in - see the trac tickets and the current mailing list discussion.

But I do think the Discogs ones should eventually be added too - they are 95% of what currently blocks straight Discogs AR importing.

BrianFreud: That's because we don't know where to put stuff, nor whether it should actually go in at all (ie., isn't a duplicate of something else in the list).

BrianFreud: I'm not disagreeing with that.

BrianFreud: You didn't do a clean port of the discussions btw. TimVanHolden's "Sruti Box" wasn't a reply to my comment, which in fact was added after his "Sruti Box" comment.

that's the only one I modified - "Box" became "Sruti Box" in his reply to your comment

As for where stuff should go, most of the discogs ones have more info than most non-discogs ones, atm - If you honestly think they should be moved, move them. My sense, though, is that it was the general disorganization of the page which made it unmanagible, not the length of the reqs list (be it 50 or 142, it's still a large list of reqs)

I didn't have to scroll as much before as I do now.

sure, but discussions mixed all together, and the data (or current "appears on" count for any given one) wasn't at all clear

scroll != bad... disorder = bad, imho

now people can actually see why any instrument isn't yet added - none have the 5 releases. So if someone really wants one added, they can find 5, fill in the info, and then pester you :)

Discussions weren't mixed altogether.

back to back?

don't know about you, but when I looked at the change logs or the emailed change alerts, it was pretty near impossible to actually comprehend any changes in the old form

Wasn't for me... it is hard for right now though, at a glance, to see where there's discussion and where there isn't.

only because each instrument takes a decent amount of screen height; in any change report it'd be quite clear - this is where I wish moin had collapsible list support :P

Oh my, this code is vile.

BrianFreud: I'm doing a heavy edit right now. Please keep out.

FauxFaux: You too. :)

What do I have to edit?! ¬_¬

Hey... what is USB?

?

The improved version of USA!

*drumroll*

:p

Impeach GWB NOW!

You'd rather have Cheney?

Coolidge!

lol

re

freso, in that last batch, Cavaquinho got mis-spaced, it's throwing a bunch too far to the right

BrianFreud: I'll go do Cav-? now, so it'll be fixed.

(then the missing indent I forgot on Requinto Jarocho fixes it further down :P)

BrianFreud: Now the problem's moved down to D. :p

lol

BrianFreud: So it'll probably have to look a bit odd until I've time to run through all the way.

that's why I normally just stick with the 4 spacers, instead of the moin tricks for less spaces... easier to keep it consistantly indented

4 spaces is a waste of space.

A track is released on iTunes, for a limited time. Single or NAT?

BrianFreud: *WOW* that is a nice facility.

A mistake to leave this open?

*shrug*

BrianFreud: Grove links are also good arguments in instrument discussions, by the way. ;)

luks: ping

Freso: lol, given the type of stuff I've been working on lately, I run into all sorts of fun "old names for instruments"

outsidecontext: pong (but I was just about to go sleep)

luks: sorry, no hurry. I was just about to apply the patch on http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/ticket/3687 and wanted to ask you about your opinion before

BrianFreud: Grove has some of those.

but that has time :)

ok, I'll look at it tommorow

looks good to me. thanks and good night

Freso: :) - slowly building a massive set of potential "earliest release of" listings :P

FauxFaux: hm? are you re-encoding the flac release to flac?

[19:22] *Freso would love to be able to work with several structures at once... per-family, per-function, per-age, per-region, ... <- oh yes oh yes!

[19:28] Fresoluks: Right. I'm very much against free-text fields. I'd love to have a free-text field description to accompany the instrument list, but not to replace it. <-- i agree with that too

needs both

hi guys

aw amn, reading your discussion abotu the summit makes me SO envious and want to come too

CatCat: Did you read the discussion fully?

yes...

luks liker det ikke *sight*

hmph

I'm going to regret it for ever if i dont coem to this summit

the pit in my stomach is telling me to be impulsive

.....

is London (Stansed) (STN) or Liverpool (LPL) best?

I can do it

i jsut need to talk to someone to look after my cats

nikki: ping

warp: No, the 96khz/24bit wav release.

CatCat: you're coming down the summit?

I-I will try

neato :)

i foudn my passport. its way out of date thoguh :s

ouch, might not be able to get it renewed in time now

need someoen to look after the cats

an i dont know if coming late on the 9th and going early on the 11th is ok

that's what I'm doing :)

ok

I arrive at 1700, leave at 0900

my thing says arrive at 15:05

hey all

I'd love to come to the london meet, but I can't make it this weekend

i'll keep an eye out for the next one!

shame phat

there will be more though, I'm sure :)

hope so!

hmm, well, I'll see

what's the plan... just discussion all day saturday?

not ones in nodnol, with a BALLPIT

though

I might turn up for a bit, but I'm way behind on revision

ballpit is tempting...

phatmonkey: pretty much

Drinks too!

phatmonkey: same :(

what year are you?

Don't forget the drinkses!