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      • nikki
        I need to change the filesystem on my external drive, fat32 is driving me nuts
      • 2008-07-21 20345, 2008

      • nikki
        but I can't decide which to use :/
      • 2008-07-21 20307, 2008

      • Wizzcat
        cross-platform compatability for other file systems isn't exactly great
      • 2008-07-21 20302, 2008

      • nikki
        I only need linux and osx
      • 2008-07-21 20349, 2008

      • xlotlu
        nikki: xfs
      • 2008-07-21 20325, 2008

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      • xlotlu
        what do i do with an excerpt from a poem that's been given its own "track name"?
      • 2008-07-21 20353, 2008

      • srotta
        Listen to it?
      • 2008-07-21 20302, 2008

      • Wizzcat
        two tracks in one you mean?
      • 2008-07-21 20350, 2008

      • xlotlu
        no, i mean you have the poem, with a single title and no "sub-chapters"
      • 2008-07-21 20319, 2008

      • xlotlu
        then some guy records an excerpt from it and names the track with a name never used before
      • 2008-07-21 20355, 2008

      • xlotlu
        which does indeed tell the part of the poem that's been excerpted...
      • 2008-07-21 20350, 2008

      • Wizzcat
        just roll with whatever he's named it I guess
      • 2008-07-21 20323, 2008

      • xlotlu
        "My never-used before title" (from Poem Title)
      • 2008-07-21 20331, 2008

      • xlotlu
        ^^ ugly..
      • 2008-07-21 20353, 2008

      • xlotlu
        Poem Title: "Never-used before title" <-- less ugly, but rather dumb
      • 2008-07-21 20309, 2008

      • MClemo
        "Never-used before title" (previously unissued title) ;-)
      • 2008-07-21 20338, 2008

      • Wizzcat
        I presume you have no other track to link it to?
      • 2008-07-21 20341, 2008

      • xlotlu
        :P
      • 2008-07-21 20359, 2008

      • xlotlu
        I have lots of tracks to (not) link it to :)
      • 2008-07-21 20350, 2008

      • xlotlu
        or to answer your question, there is one more excerpt from that poem, and has nothing to do with the order they're in, or percentage of the poem they cover
      • 2008-07-21 20324, 2008

      • xlotlu
        so the track titles here (as far as the poem excerpts are concerned) are only to pinpoint the part where it's excerpted from... but nevertheless they're the "release track titles"
      • 2008-07-21 20311, 2008

      • xlotlu
        and then again, there's the odd fully reproduced sonnet
      • 2008-07-21 20335, 2008

      • xlotlu
        and they called the track: "When to the sessions" (Sonnet No.30)
      • 2008-07-21 20348, 2008

      • srotta
        So use those track titles and annotate the release / tracks properly.
      • 2008-07-21 20330, 2008

      • xlotlu
        the beginning of sonnet 30's being: When to the sessions of sweet silent thought....
      • 2008-07-21 20357, 2008

      • xlotlu
        srotta: define annotate
      • 2008-07-21 20310, 2008

      • srotta
        Free-text annotations.
      • 2008-07-21 20337, 2008

      • xlotlu
        as in, define what you'd expect to read in such an annotation :P
      • 2008-07-21 20319, 2008

      • srotta
        Just say "Tracks are excerpts from Ode to a Small Lump of Green Putty I Found in My Armpit One Midsummer Morning".
      • 2008-07-21 20340, 2008

      • xlotlu
        rofl
      • 2008-07-21 20319, 2008

      • xlotlu
        since all but one track names are the exact starting lyrics, i'd rather find a way to use the poem name as the "main part" of the track title
      • 2008-07-21 20326, 2008

      • xlotlu
        e.g. Sonnet No. 1052 ["Pretty lyrics here"]
      • 2008-07-21 20330, 2008

      • xlotlu
        .. or something
      • 2008-07-21 20315, 2008

      • xlotlu
        and Big Work, Act IV Scene 2: ["Some other lyrics"]
      • 2008-07-21 20333, 2008

      • alastair
        alastair is now known as Guest37621
      • 2008-07-21 20306, 2008

      • MClemo
        Big Work, Act IV, Scene II. "Lyrics" would be closer to OperaTrackStyle
      • 2008-07-21 20309, 2008

      • xlotlu
        i wanted to use the colon to point out it's an excerpt
      • 2008-07-21 20323, 2008

      • xlotlu
        MClemo: you suggest ditching the square brackets?
      • 2008-07-21 20310, 2008

      • MClemo
        xlotlu: err, why do you want them?
      • 2008-07-21 20335, 2008

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      • xlotlu
        because those lyrics excerpts are not really titles..
      • 2008-07-21 20321, 2008

      • xlotlu
        or maybe they should be "Lyrics excerpt [...]"
      • 2008-07-21 20302, 2008

      • xlotlu
        now i remember why i stopped entering these damned julian bream releases a while ago :)
      • 2008-07-21 20307, 2008

      • MClemo
        as there's no style guide for this, I guess you can do whatever you want :P
      • 2008-07-21 20314, 2008

      • MClemo
        I wouldn't put _that much_ thought in it
      • 2008-07-21 20328, 2008

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      • Guest37621 has quit
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      • xlotlu
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      • Wizzcat
        I'm so voting no on that
      • 2008-07-21 20318, 2008

      • xlotlu
        good, then you're welcome to enter it yourself :P
      • 2008-07-21 20358, 2008

      • Wizzcat
        good grief what a cover :p
      • 2008-07-21 20300, 2008

      • MClemo
        you have to say "voting NO", otherwise people don't see it
      • 2008-07-21 20353, 2008

      • jherm
        luks: some time when you get a chance, i'd like to ask you to look at another crash. it appears to be a memory leak in picard...
      • 2008-07-21 20301, 2008

      • nikki will never understand the whole shouting "no" at people when voting no
      • 2008-07-21 20323, 2008

      • xlotlu
        Wizzcat: damn, you voted before my second comment :P
      • 2008-07-21 20310, 2008

      • xlotlu
        NO, NO, NO, NOWAY, voting NO!
      • 2008-07-21 20354, 2008

      • aCiD2
        OH DEAR GOD *NO*
      • 2008-07-21 20307, 2008

      • aCiD2 abstains
      • 2008-07-21 20311, 2008

      • Wizzcat
        I can change it to no if that'll make you feel better ;)
      • 2008-07-21 20352, 2008

      • xlotlu
        heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey stop that whoever's editing my release
      • 2008-07-21 20300, 2008

      • Wizzcat
        good job btw, I hate it when labels do stupid things like that tracklist
      • 2008-07-21 20310, 2008

      • xlotlu
        damn it :)
      • 2008-07-21 20334, 2008

      • MClemo
        the simple "No" on the edit pages should be changed to "<strong>NO</strong>"
      • 2008-07-21 20349, 2008

      • aCiD2
        <strong><em> for good measure
      • 2008-07-21 20318, 2008

      • xlotlu
        can i get some votes for this please? http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=9076790
      • 2008-07-21 20342, 2008

      • Wizzcat
        s/no/<strong>NOES!1</strong>/
      • 2008-07-21 20346, 2008

      • aCiD2
        :P
      • 2008-07-21 20348, 2008

      • xlotlu
        since i have no clue how well the MB server deals with data integrity when merging ASINs..
      • 2008-07-21 20310, 2008

      • aCiD2
        voted yes, even though I could just approve it :P
      • 2008-07-21 20359, 2008

      • MClemo
        now xlotlu has to wait two minutes
      • 2008-07-21 20307, 2008

      • Wizzcat
        automods can fast-track other peoples edits as well?
      • 2008-07-21 20308, 2008

      • MClemo
        one minute i.e.
      • 2008-07-21 20327, 2008

      • xlotlu
        no, Wizzcat has to wait 1 minute, and then add that ASIN as well
      • 2008-07-21 20342, 2008

      • MClemo
        Wizzcat: you can approve (apply immediately) all edits that are autoedits for autoeditors
      • 2008-07-21 20355, 2008

      • MClemo
        so pretty much every edit that doesn't remove or merge something
      • 2008-07-21 20307, 2008

      • Wizzcat
        if it has no votes as well?
      • 2008-07-21 20314, 2008

      • nikki
        yes
      • 2008-07-21 20316, 2008

      • Wizzcat
        yikes
      • 2008-07-21 20317, 2008

      • MClemo
        yes. But you wouldn't do that :)
      • 2008-07-21 20318, 2008

      • nikki
        but you have to leave a note
      • 2008-07-21 20329, 2008

      • MClemo
        or you'd have to have a reason for it ;)
      • 2008-07-21 20358, 2008

      • nikki
        the idea is basically that if you're an autoeditor, you could simply do the edit yourself and end up making the original edit fail
      • 2008-07-21 20343, 2008

      • Wizzcat
        voice did that to me once :(
      • 2008-07-21 20327, 2008

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      • aCiD2
        heh, it's happened to me a few times too
      • 2008-07-21 20326, 2008

      • nikki
        think it's happened to everyone
      • 2008-07-21 20302, 2008

      • outsidecontext
        jherm: did you and ruaok succeed with your picard packaging on the mac?
      • 2008-07-21 20336, 2008

      • aCiD2
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      • aCiD2
        Given it's a re-release of his previous albums, which we appear to have: http://musicbrainz.org/artist/054b0483-eeb8-48ce-…
      • 2008-07-21 20302, 2008

      • xlotlu
        i wonder if it's legal under fair use to cache 10 seconds of a track at low quality
      • 2008-07-21 20344, 2008

      • warp
        xlotlu: that statement needs a bit more context to answer i think.
      • 2008-07-21 20352, 2008

      • warp buys more music.
      • 2008-07-21 20309, 2008

      • nikki
        hey warp!
      • 2008-07-21 20347, 2008

      • xlotlu
        as in... picard sending along with the puid submission a low quality small part of the track
      • 2008-07-21 20316, 2008

      • outsidecontext
        xlotlu: why?
      • 2008-07-21 20349, 2008

      • srotta
        In Finland that would be obviously illegal. Same goes for other Nordic countries, and I'd guess Netherlands and Germany as well.
      • 2008-07-21 20359, 2008

      • xlotlu
        outsidecontext: if would be helpful in sorting out messed up puid assignments
      • 2008-07-21 20310, 2008

      • srotta
        Ah, I read it wrong, don't know what I was really thinking. Don't know if it matters, though. :P
      • 2008-07-21 20311, 2008

      • outsidecontext
        xlotlu: how? the audio/puid pair would always match but could still be assigned to the wrong track
      • 2008-07-21 20343, 2008

      • srotta
        outsidecontext: If you had a list of PUID/audio pairs you could listen if they really sound the same.
      • 2008-07-21 20332, 2008

      • srotta
        So yeah, that could help identifying wrong PUIDs. I don't know if it would be worh the trouble, though, and a lot would depend on the actual implementation.
      • 2008-07-21 20340, 2008

      • nikki
        I'd still like special puids generated from and linked to a cd toc
      • 2008-07-21 20354, 2008

      • xlotlu
        outsidecontext: common scenario: i have a piano concerto track with 4 puids. one of these puids is also assigned to a violin concerto
      • 2008-07-21 20351, 2008

      • deadchip
        aCiD2, i'm really getting there with a comprehensive track details plugin: http://futurepast.free.fr/mb-lastfm-info.jpg
      • 2008-07-21 20359, 2008

      • deadchip
        but too bad i still can't decipher the instruments :(
      • 2008-07-21 20335, 2008

      • aCiD2
        deadchip: still, looking awesome :)
      • 2008-07-21 20342, 2008

      • deadchip
        :)
      • 2008-07-21 20356, 2008

      • deadchip
        thanks
      • 2008-07-21 20311, 2008

      • aCiD2
        is there anyway I can try it out?
      • 2008-07-21 20346, 2008

      • outsidecontext
        xlotlu: i see the point. at first i thought you had some automatic removal of wrong puids in mind
      • 2008-07-21 20324, 2008

      • xlotlu
        i wish i did :)
      • 2008-07-21 20342, 2008

      • outsidecontext
        :)
      • 2008-07-21 20310, 2008

      • deadchip
        aCiD2, you'd need to compile it from source on Linux
      • 2008-07-21 20326, 2008

      • aCiD2
        i don't mind that
      • 2008-07-21 20332, 2008

      • aCiD2
        as long as you have a sane build chain :P
      • 2008-07-21 20344, 2008

      • deadchip
        yeah
      • 2008-07-21 20349, 2008

      • deadchip
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      • aCiD2
        We recommend Picard \o/
      • 2008-07-21 20305, 2008

      • deadchip
        yeah :D
      • 2008-07-21 20339, 2008

      • LotR
        deadchip: why the change from bmpx to mpx?
      • 2008-07-21 20313, 2008

      • deadchip
        LotR, it's a different app
      • 2008-07-21 20327, 2008

      • deadchip
        aCiD2, i also wrote a dedicated tagcloud widget: http://futurepast.free.fr/mpx-tagcloud.jpg
      • 2008-07-21 20332, 2008

      • LotR
        oh. it looks very similar
      • 2008-07-21 20343, 2008

      • deadchip
        yeah but it's definitely different when you use it
      • 2008-07-21 20347, 2008

      • deadchip
        just realized it myself laast night
      • 2008-07-21 20303, 2008

      • aCiD2
        tag clouds are so sexy
      • 2008-07-21 20313, 2008

      • deadchip
        yeah lol
      • 2008-07-21 20321, 2008

      • aCiD2
        "i f-ing love this track"
      • 2008-07-21 20321, 2008

      • deadchip
        hmm maybe i should limit the number of tags to 100 or so
      • 2008-07-21 20326, 2008

      • deadchip
        because on THAT screenshot
      • 2008-07-21 20331, 2008

      • deadchip
        they're way too many
      • 2008-07-21 20334, 2008

      • LotR wishes for a *simple* music player
      • 2008-07-21 20346, 2008

      • deadchip
        oh it is simple believe me
      • 2008-07-21 20347, 2008

      • aCiD2
        i don't think there are too many
      • 2008-07-21 20351, 2008

      • aCiD2
        I think more is better with tags
      • 2008-07-21 20325, 2008

      • LotR
        deadchip: with simple I mean without features like you're showing off now :)
      • 2008-07-21 20336, 2008

      • deadchip
        LotR, even if they "just" work and if you want can ignore them?
      • 2008-07-21 20337, 2008

      • aCiD2
        LotR: mpd?
      • 2008-07-21 20303, 2008

      • deadchip
        aCiD2, btw it also automatically PUID-scans files not tagged so the full set of info is also available for them, given they have a PUID association
      • 2008-07-21 20312, 2008

      • aCiD2
        neato
      • 2008-07-21 20319, 2008

      • nikki still wants something that plays flacs and understands the concept of an album artist
      • 2008-07-21 20320, 2008

      • aCiD2
        though i seldom use puids
      • 2008-07-21 20323, 2008

      • nikki kicks osx
      • 2008-07-21 20325, 2008

      • LotR
        deadchip: yes. they still take up window real estate
      • 2008-07-21 20332, 2008

      • aCiD2 looks at just about everysingle media player he's used
      • 2008-07-21 20335, 2008

      • deadchip
        well nikki that player understands album artists
      • 2008-07-21 20348, 2008

      • deadchip