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      • zeno__
        how are "sides" treated? as disks, or if two sides with 3 songs first track on second side is 4?
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      • srotta
        zeno__: Typically sides are treated as one release.
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      • srotta
        zeno__: So no different releases for different sides of a vinyl (or cassette...).
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      • srotta
        There are some issues with this approach, but mostly it works fine. I'd probably treat different sides of a DualDisc as separate releases, though.
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      • srotta
        I don't know why, exactly. :P VinylDisc is a similar corner case.
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      • zeno__
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      • ruaok snickers
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      • ruaok
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      • ruaok
        Freshly done!
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      • luks
        normally I'd say "pfft, politics..." but I guess when it comes to the US president it does make sense to care :)
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      • ^^remilia^^
        that's dedication!
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      • Muzzz
        HAha, nice
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      • FauxFaux
        Heh ruaok.
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      • ruaok
        :-)
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      • ruaok
        k, bed time for me. natta all!
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      • FauxFaux wishes it was bed time here. :(
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      • FauxFaux
        Wait, why are you awake, Muzzzcakes?
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      • Muzzz
        FauxFaux: I've not gone to sleep yet, I slept 1000->2000 yesterday
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      • FauxFaux
        >.<
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      • Muzzz
        Yeah, I'm so fucked
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      • FauxFaux
        Why? You're a slacker, don't have to do anything!
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      • Muzzz
        I have hospital appointments to keep and unfortunately, they only work at stupid^woffice hours :(
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      • FauxFaux
        D:
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      • Muzzz
        Which reminds me, I should get my arse into gear and head down town to go clothes shopping for the first time in... 2 and a bit years?
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      • Muzzz shudders
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      • FauxFaux
        Send your mom or sister or..
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      • Muzzz
        Hah
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      • inhouseuk_
        inhouseuk_ is now known as inhouseuk
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      • zeno__
        hmmmm i wish there was a stop import button :\
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      • zeno__
        using 600MB memory lol
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      • FauxFaux
        ^C
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      • FauxFaux
        ^C^C^C^C
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      • FauxFaux
        ^Zkill -9 %1
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      • zeno__
        dont want to waste all the scanning it did lol
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      • zeno__
        880MB
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      • zeno__
        :)
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      • warp
        haha, woops.
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      • warp
        zeno__: better stick to a few albums in one go.
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      • warp
        (picard still occassionally crashes here, so i don't dare more than about 10 albums at once)
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      • warp
        luckily, i don't acquire new music that fast anyway ;)
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      • zeno__
        warp: doing around 10 THOUSAND (srsly lol)
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      • zeno__
        no scanning yet though
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      • zeno__
        cluster + lookup faster
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      • zeno__
        still no crash im really impressed
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      • zeno__
        finally crashed at 1GB :) better change to ~100 a time
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      • MClemo
        I sometimes put my whole collection in it to update the tags
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      • MClemo
        but as it's not more than 600 albums or so, it doesn't crash most of the time
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      • Wizzcat
        I wonder if picard scanning is io capped or cpu capped
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      • Wizzcat
        if the latter it would be fun if someone would multithread it
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      • zeno__
        is there a keyboard shortcut listing somewhere?
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      • warp
        would be io capped here. my music is not on the machine running picard but on a network share :)
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      • zeno__
        Wizzcat: very tough python GIL
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      • LotR
        I would be pretty surprised if it was ever cpu-bound
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      • tru
        GIL ftl.
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      • LotR
        python FTL :) also, multithreading FTL
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      • tru
        nah, python is nice.
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      • tru
        but GIL isn't on the other hand forking works as well.
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      • zeno__
        haskell or erlang better from multithreaded apps IMHO
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      • warp wonders what GIL is.
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      • Wizzcat
        Global Interpreter Lock it seems
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      • zeno__
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      • warp
        ah, right
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      • zeno__
        it eats up all of my CPU when i import a lot
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      • LotR
        zeno__: I still have to learn erlang, but from what I've heard so far, I wouldn't call what erland does multithreading
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      • zeno__
        LotR: message passing concurrency w/e :)
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      • luks
        zeno__: wrong
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      • luks
        GIL is not a problem at all
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      • LotR
        luks: what is the problem then?
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      • luks
        problem with multithreaded fingerprinting? libofa
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      • luks
        having it work in 2 or 10 extra threads instead of 1 would be a matter of changing a number in picard
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      • zeno__
        luks: ah neat. may do this for my 4 core then
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      • LotR
        oh, hrm. I hadn't considered fingerprinting. I guess cpu-bound does make sense then
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      • luks
        do what? :)
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      • luks
        LotR: what else did you want to move to more threads?
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      • zeno__
        <changing a number in picard>
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      • LotR
        luks: I hate threads, I would never suggest creating more
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      • luks
        zeno__: "what is the problem then?" -> "libofa"
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      • zeno__
        oh ok my bad
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      • LotR
        luks: the main problem I see with picard is that its UI freezes a lot.
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      • zeno__
        mine is that the green tag button mysteriously stops working half the time :\
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      • LotR
        zeno__: oh, I was keeping UI issues out of it :)
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      • luks
        green tag button?
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      • outsidecontext
        zeno__: the one on the website i guess?
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      • milosz
        save button
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      • milosz
        _
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      • milosz
        ?
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      • LotR
        if it's the save button, then you have to realize that you need to have something to save selected
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      • zeno__
        outsidecontext: yes
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      • zeno__
        LotR: the one on releases
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      • outsidecontext
        zeno__: do you have frequently several instances of picard running?
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      • LotR
        zeno__: how is that a picard issue?
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      • zeno__
        outsidecontext: one at the moment but have had a lot of crashes
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      • zeno__
        LotR: maybe not i dont know how it works
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      • outsidecontext
        because if you open a second picard it will listen on a different port. the green buttons will still point to the first picard instance and if you close that the buttons obviously don't work anymore
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      • luks
        I'm thinking we should have a javascript that tries more than one port until it find one that works
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      • outsidecontext
        good idea
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      • luks
        that way we can have it on the website without depending on picard
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      • milosz
        welll there's the somewhat theoretical issue that some people might not want to have their machines probed
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      • zeno__
        outsidecontext: so how to fix? restarting firefox doesnt help
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      • outsidecontext
        making a new lookup from inside picard
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      • milosz
        also it sounds somewhat odd to me, i mean how much ports wouold you want to try? 20, 50, or 100? it's arbitrary
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      • luks
        milosz: if we define a range of e.g. 5 ports, I don't see why not
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      • LotR
        yeah, trying ports till you find one sounds bad
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      • milosz
        luks, hmm right
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      • milosz
        i was thinking of it more wildly heh
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      • outsidecontext
        zeno__: you have to do a lookup with picard in order to tell the website the port picard is listening on
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      • luks
        it's not like I'm going to implement mmap in javascript :)
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      • outsidecontext
        i don't see a problem with a few defined ports scanned on localhost
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      • LotR wonders why people would have multiple instances of picard running anyway
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      • luks
        most of the time it will be the first try anyway
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      • zeno__
        LotR: when it crashes
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      • luks
        LotR: sometimes it crashes, sometimes they close it and open in a short time
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      • luks
        it takes some for the port to become open again
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      • LotR
        I think I'd rather see picard complaining about how it couldn't bind to its port
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      • luks
        there is no 'the picard port'
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      • luks
        oh, you mean from picard
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      • luks
        what if the picard port is used by something else
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      • luks
        that would mean you can't use picard
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      • LotR
        that would mean you'd configure it or 'something else' differently
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      • zeno__
        hitting lookup doesnt open the browser :\ however hitting report bug, upload cluster, etc does
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      • luks
        there is more lookup buttons
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      • luks
        don't use the toolbox one for this
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      • zeno__
        luks: ah that works :) assumed they did same
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      • LotR
        luks: why are there several? wouldn't it make sense to have a single one that falls back to 'open browser window' when it can't find an exact match?
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      • LotR
        also, what use is the one on the left?
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      • luks
        because you might want to look up the original metadata