#musicbrainz

I had to look it up in wikipedia

either way I don't see why not, I'd say the meaning is somewhat changed if you remove the quotes

but use those quotes, or ".."?

Wizzcat: i think alastairp was suggesting changing it to "Hamburger Idylle"

it's not like there's a style for smartqotes anyway.... is there?

I hope not.

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alastairp: I'm in favour of sticking to the cover as much as possible, including these weird quotes. but that is just my opinion, there are probably lots who disagree, and afaik there is no style guideline for it, no.

from what I remember of grammar it's correct to use " for electronics documents, but then again we're replicating print..

Oh?

If we want to replicate print, then let's go scanning. I'd like to stick to the cover as well, but also use some common sense and common conventions.

And I'm not saying warp wouldn't do that :P

in that case we should make punctuation guidelines for each language as well ;)

I've heard about that kinds of things being taught in schools.

heh

Cool, ruaok.

:-)

this page is still retardedly stupid, but kinda fun

Heh at "3908/10/7".

we need a bad date report

wait. where did you see that?

You can stick in the year 3908 and it will graph it for you

On that flot page. (Opera)

lol

the graph package isn't the best.

and appears to be dead in the water.

if anyone knows of a good and active js chart/graph library, I'd love to hear about it.

We have quite a pro date picker here where I'm supposed to be working, I keep meaning to steal it.

ruaok: plotkit is decent, plus it runs on mochikit

got link?

other than that it's somewhat limited, I remember looking and most are tied to framework X

Only one I've seen recently is from http://simile.mit.edu/, they have a "timeplot".

yeah, the perfect option hasn't appeared

http://www.liquidx.net/plotkit/ it's unmaintained as well though it seems :1

(http://alioth.debian.org/~lamby-guest/debian-ti...)

timeplot looks interesting

hmm

ruaok: not trying to be picky, but I htink zeitgeist is the wrong word

alastairp: it totally is.

please suggest better names.

hmm

NOW

calendar? :)

On this day..

Mm, could do it with all the historical instances of this date.

Wikipedo/newspaper style.

that could be neat

I like timeplot. I'll try that one next. looks *perfect*.

No reason to block changing it, though.

the problem would be knowing what's newsworthy

and it doesn't want a toolkit.

thanks for the tip, FauxFaux

you *are * useful. :-)

sometimes anyways ;-)

Little does he know that it deletes all your files 24h after you first use it.

I can call the new stats graphing page the musicbrainz zeitgeist

quite applicable there.

yeah

history + past trends

bed time for me.

natta!

what's wrong with trivia anyway? at least people know what it means, I still don't know what zeitgeist is supposed to be

nikki: I thought you spoke german :-p

not that well :P

and even if I look it up, it doesn't make any sense in the only context I've seen it used

I wonder if it's an english thing that people like to use complicated words when there's a simple enough one that would mean the same

of course, I've forgotten all the ones I've had to explain lately

nikki: I'm annoyed by Finnish people using English words in everyday conversations.

Or in TV ads. Or in movie titles.

I don't necessarily like the French way of doing things, but I'd like to introduce a "Use Finnish, stupid" fine for excessive use of foreign language.

warp: Yeah, I'm not saying you should speak Finnish.

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srotta: i mean, when people do that in dutch.

though it depends on why they're using english.

I don't like when english borrows words with pronunciations completely different to what we'd expect... english spelling is screwed enough without making it worse :/ not that that would help at all

Because it's hip, cool, and costs less.

german does borrows english words and gives it a pseudo-english pronunciation which I hate

-does

warp: I like how the flemish invent dutch words for most english ones we use

bah, that sentence was just grammatically crap

One of my pet peeves is "Pan's Labyrinth".

srotta: i talk to many dutch people who use english a lot. it's not uncommon to not be able to find a dutch word to express something which is easily expressed in english.

Why the hell is it Pan's Labyrinth in Finland? It's not even the original title, damn it.

warp: I do too, and that just goes to show people are alienated from their own language. I think that's bad, no matter how you look at it.

I think it's bizarre when they give films names completely different to the original...

like shimotsuma monogatari (shimotsuma story/story of shimotsuma) was apparently released as kamikaze girls in america o_O

srotta: i don't see much trouble with it. languages are constantly changing, just let it evolve in whatever direction people want to take it.

srotta: no, it just means english has so many words there's almost always one that means precisely what you mean, when you need half a sentence for it in other languages

LotR: I don't believe that for a second.

srotta: knowing two languages, if one of them is more fit to express a concept, why should I limit myself to the other language when I know the listener understands both?

Take a look at the traditional "inuit for snow" example 8)

LotR: english also has lots of words which are vague :P

srotta: which is mostly an urban myth IIRC. there are way less than a hundred

Fruit flies like a LotR.

like hot can be warm or spicy and you can be both singular, plural and general

LotR: Well, name a few in English. Less than hundred will prove your point just fine.

hmm, not vague, ambiguous

nikki: free is a good example :)

snow, sleet, blizzard, slush...

srotta: just picking one concept and one other language which has more words for that than english doesn't disprove my point.

Traditional powder argument.

not that I'm really very good at it, I don't ever see proper snow

an inch is enough to make me run around going "omgomgomgomgomgomg!!!" :P

SNOWBALL FIGHT

LotR: I'm guessing - but just guessing - that you and most others in this channel are pretty involved with IT, which has pretty extensive vocabulary in English. That doesn't really mean it's true in general.

I read much literature in English, and I agree, some expressions come easier to me in English than in Finnish. On the other hand, some would be altogether untranslateable the other way round.

srotta: but that's usually because it's about something typically finnish I bet.

English first language ftlose, in that respect.