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      • pronik
        fully offtopic, but I've been literally rofl'ing on this one: http://www.theonion.com/content/node/93143?utm_so…

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      • ruaok
        pronik: agreed.

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      • pronik
        the offtopic or the rofl'ing part? ;)

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      • Wizzcat
        you were literally rolling on the floor? :(

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      • pronik
        I would have if I hadn't my chair to hold myself onto :)

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      • coeus
        i have picard running on fedora 10 and the puid scanning doesn't seem to be working

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      • Wizzcat
        coeus: works here from what I can tell

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      • Wizzcat
        libofa up to date?

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      • warp
        nice link, aCiD2

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      • coeus
        Wizzcat, missing entirely. might be the issue i suppose

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      • coeus
        just found a thread on that in the MB forums

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      • aCiD2
        warp: yea, I like it :)

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      • Wizzcat
        coeus: actually I can't seem to get it to work either on closer inspection

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      • coeus
        Wizzcat, I just ran picard from the cmd line and got this "W: 3086796480 13:53:12 No decoders found! Fingerprinting will be disabled."

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      • coeus
        couldn't find libofa on my system either

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      • coeus
        odd that the fedora build wouldn't have this stuff as a dependency

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      • Wizzcat
        indeed, rather sloppy

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      • Wizzcat
        it uses ffmpeg it seems, which I already have, so no idea why it doesn't work

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      • Wizzcat
        I guess one may as well build it oneself instead

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      • coeus
        i just installed ffmpeg, but no help either. doing it from scratch might be the only way to go

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      • coeus
        ahh, ffmpeg is why they don't include it in the fedora package: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=478354

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      • Wizzcat
        oh well, yum remove

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      • Wizzcat
        not that fingerprinting is particularly important

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      • pronik
        brianfreud: when you come back, be prepared that I'm redoing doclinks, they seriously impact translations

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      • luckman212
        heylo........ can anyone please tell me the meaning of the "Use track relationships" option in Picard?

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      • Wizzcat
        http://forums.musicbrainz.org/viewtopic.php?id=10…

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      • Wizzcat
        unless you have a player that shows those tags in some manner it's probably not too useful

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      • luckman212 reads

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      • luckman212
        hmm so it doesn't affect the grouping or renaming operations?

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      • Wizzcat
        shouldn't think so

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      • Wizzcat
        unless you explicitly tell it to use those tags

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      • luckman212
        hmm..

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      • luckman212
        ok, not sure I understand but --safe to ignore, I will leave it alone (defaulted to off in my .011 install)

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      • luckman212
        thanks

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      • ruaok
        warp, nikki: http://blog.musicbrainz.org/?p=376

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      • nikki
        ooh

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      • alastairp
        is this the sort ogf thing that has sa floating "give us feedback" button?

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      • navap
        No, it would be a separate site

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      • alastairp
        so, people would still not know where to go to report issues?

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      • navap
        http://musicbrainz.uservoice.com/

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      • alastairp
        how is this different to bugz.musicbrainz.org?

        • 2009-02-11 04250, 2009

      • alastairp
        bugs

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      • ruaok
        read the blog post alastairp

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      • navap
        No clunky interface, and better response from the commukity to tell devlopers what they want fixed

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      • ruaok
        trac is hardly clunky.

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      • navap
        Ok, bad phrasing

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      • nikki
        so people who know what they're doing could still go to trac and enter stuff there, while everyone else can go to uservoice and vote and stuff?

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      • Muz
        Oh god ruaok

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      • Muz
        Not Uservoice.

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      • navap
        Easier interface?

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      • Muz
        Not. Uservoice.

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      • Muz
        We use that at work, and from an admin POv, it's really lacking.

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      • ruaok
        like how?

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      • Muz
        That said, GS' UI is hardly any better.

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      • Muz
        Well, not that I've spent hours discussing this with a workmate and begun work on our own solution, but as disjointed as it is from the dev side of Trac, it's like one extreme to the other.

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      • Muz
        there's no real easy way to address UV items from other systems, and the level of interaction is incredibly simplistic for what it could really achieve.

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      • ruaok
        ah, so the mapping I'm talking about is hard to maintain?

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      • Muz
        There was also something silly like comments appear in reverse chronological order ad you can onyl have one official response per item from an admin.

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      • Muz
        It's doable, I'll say that.

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      • Muz
        It's just not friendly. Or as nice as it could be.

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      • ruaok
        sounds like uservoice needs an account for themselves.

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      • Muz
        Heh, they do. :p

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      • navap
        heh http://uservoice.uservoice.com/

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      • ruaok
        lol

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      • ruaok
        its good to see they eat their own dogfood

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      • Muz
        Not to mention, their scoring system is incredibly easy to game.

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      • Muz
        So, always take those values with a pinch of salt.

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      • ruaok
        k, thanks for the feedback.

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      • Muz
        GS falls victim to the same flaws too, just that the UI isn't anywhere near as nice.

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      • Muz
        That said, I wouldn't mind helping triage things in UV if you do go with them in the end. Or at least being pokable about its weirdities.

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      • ruaok
        thanks. post that in comments please so i can track who said what.

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      • Muz shall do once he's done with Geometry Wars 2

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      • Muz
        .

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      • pronik
        ruaok: if you need admin help, I could do that, even if I don't know a tiny bit about UserVoice except that Jeff Atwood is using and liking it :)

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      • ruaok
        you know Jeff?

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      • ruaok
        can you please comment on the blog that you'd help?

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      • ruaok
        I've had a few interesting discussions with Jeff at OSCON...

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      • pronik
        I've never met any of net personalities in person yet

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      • pronik
        I'm reading his blog for a while now and find stackoverflow rather useful than not :)

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      • pronik
        I still think he's jumped the shark a long time ago, but still consider him mostly capable :)

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      • ruaok
        loi

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      • ruaok
        I found myself not agreeing with him a lot too.

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      • aCiD2
        ooo, phresh activity!

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      • aCiD2 goes to read, late as ever

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      • pronik
        especially the "you are doing it wrong" part ;)

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      • pronik
        ruaok: does uservoice have any i18n support?

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      • ruaok
        no clue.

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      • pronik
        would be rather important...

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      • ruaok
        pmesg my your email and I'll set you up as an admin

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      • aCiD2
        I'd be happy helping with uservoice as well

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      • pronik
        it's in the blog...

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      • ruaok
        never mind got it.

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      • ruaok
        yep

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      • pronik
        lol, "Support multiple languages" is on top of their wishlist...

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      • ruaok
        pronik: do you live in .de?

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      • pronik
        with 1200 votes vs. 470 votes for a "close second"

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      • pronik
        ruaok: yes

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      • ruaok
        ah, but you are from .ru?

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      • RifRaf
        can someone tell me wat i am doing wrong in this python thing please http://pastebin.ca/1334539

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      • ruaok wundert sich wo pronik wohnt

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      • aCiD2
        show off

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      • pronik
        ruaok: wir haben uns schon mal auf Deutsch unterhalten ;)

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      • ruaok
        lol

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      • ruaok
        ach ja. :)

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      • RifRaf
        the middle part won't work because i think the first part is eating up the variables when its done

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      • ruaok
        too many people to keep track of. sorry. :-(

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      • pronik
        ruaok: well, yes, russian roots, living in germany for the last 11 years or so

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      • ruaok
        cool. I appreciate your i18n efforts, for sure.

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      • Muz
        ruaok: you can add your own CSS to UV pages iirc.

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      • ruaok
        nikki: usual email addy?

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      • Muz
        Not to mention set up rDNS so feedback.musicbrainz.org points there.

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      • ruaok signs up navap to do the CSS bits

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      • ruaok
        cute.

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      • ruaok
        got link on details?

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      • Muz
        It's all in the admin panel

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      • ruaok
        k

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      • nikki
        should be, I just changed it

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      • pronik`
        ruaok: have you added me too?

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      • ruaok
        yep.

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      • aCiD2
        mmmm, orange

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      • ruaok
        any and all admins: please go to town setting things up

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      • ruaok
        check out the UV integration here: http://musicbrainz.homeip.net

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      • ruaok
        I'm not that fond of the red tab.

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      • Muz
        I'd make it a light grey?

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      • pronik`
        e

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      • Muz
        And position it a bit higher up.

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      • pronik`
        and maybe top right corner hanging from the top bar

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      • ruaok
        upper right hand corner

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      • ruaok
        :-)

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      • Muz likes it when everyone's on the same page.

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      • aCiD2
        a delicious rarity