#musicbrainz

about http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Musical_Work

last time we chatted with luks, he told me the works table should be more of a "things" table

and could be used to store performances etc.

although this page dismisses it

what is the latest status on that? is there no place in the ngs where we could put performance information?

What happened to test:82?

wb :-)

hm, that part didn't take me that long.

but it's completely unusable on my machine at work, all that js is slow or buggy in the browsers I tried.

I'm in a real big company atm, so I had to find a bug in review board to get it running

user groups with spaces in their OU suck too :)

OU?

organization unit, if I'm not mistaken

part of LDAP/AD configuration and addressing system

ah

but as it turns out, the more I know, the easier I can tweak that stuff

and abuse too :)

obviously

but I don't want to tweak that stuff.

it's been almost a year since I had 'sysadmin' scrapped from my contract

me neither, but when I sometimes see who gets to tweak it, I'd better do that myself

next week for me: setting up nightly tests

with a brutal perlcritic :)

:D

I comitted the first unittests ever to the application I spend most of my time on.

normally, I would have to endure some bureaucratic process to get rb installed somewhere

with a possibility that it'd never happen

(application is atleast 15 years old, the php codebase I'm hacking on probably around 8 years or more... it's a mess)

tell me about it :)

had to change some user-visible copyrights in code today

s/2003/2009/

and then I looked into templates

and did a s/font/span/ :)

but that code is more like 1999

lal

s/a/o/

anyway, it's weekend. so mucking with python now.

yeah, better fix some bugs in reviewboard or in picard ;)

interesting: http://amarok.kde.org/blog/archives/1090-AFT-an...

I thought amarok had given up on MB and decided to use something better?

:D

lol

beside telling everybody they would use something better they never came up with anything

I would not use "better" and "amarok" in one sentence ;)

the amarok developer i talked to at the gsoc summit last year did not even really know what musicbrainz was

lol

amarok seems a little disorganized.

look at the gui, of course it's disorganized!

me neither.

I'm using Play right now, but its far from perfect.

amarok2 sucks badly, quodlibet is slow, rhythmbox deprecated, banshee crashes on me, exaile is slow AND crashes

muine and other I won't even touch

:-(

'ideal player' is like 'good mail client', isn't it?

mpd is too basic, but it's reliable and convenient for me.

I thought it was funny that in 1999 I thought it to be stupid to be writing a new mp3 player.

LotR: or browser. or OS. this industry just sucks in general ;)

and now, 10 years later it sounds like a good idea. :)

perfect browser now exists: uzbl.org

cept that like a mail client... its really hard. :-(

I really don't understand what's hard about mail :)

gmail is nice

warp: go read the RFCs

I like how the reduce the primitives

LotR: we're not talking about MTA's, but MUA's

LotR: we are talking about MUA I guess

warp: ding!

LotR: only needs to speak IMAP imo.

warp: then, go figure out how all other clients are incompatible with the RFCs and how you have to work around that

you still need to understand the format of a message

also, yay unicode

LotR: sure, but parsing mail is Solved, there are excellent libraries for that sort of ithn.g

and 'only IMAP' is funny too.. good luck getting it to work nicely against every imap server

well, _I_ don't need every :)

because you're not writing a client.

And of course, there's this thing called UI.

Which is pretty much impossible to get right.

Particularly in open source.

if only existing clients had better ui/logic seperation. then I could at least make the UI right *for me*

LotR: Doesn't Thunderbird use XUL and it's therefore Perfect?

pronik: uzbl looks like way too much work :)

srotta: oh, I want my mail client textmode, it doesn't need all that much UI.

warp: Well, Pine does IMAP, it uses text mode => mission accomplished.

it's probably just as good as mutt

(which is pretty bad :)

srotta: uh, right.

Rondom_ is now known as Rondom

luks: serious props... this multiple artists implementation is really nice.

There's one missing view, but I think that's just a question of our writing the right templates -> Being able to narrow down to only see those releases Foo & Bar both are on

that's easy to add, but I'm not sure if it's that useful

well, take an artist who worked with a lot of people - Bob Marley, or Neil Young

for those, you may have a good many releases with the same collab

arguably those should have their own artist entries

arguably, but I think, in most cases, I'd come down on those still being only collabs, not group artists in their own right

I think the dividing line would be when the collab gives themselves a name

damn postgres 8.4

whats wrong with it?