The problem is potentially very serious. I notice that occasionally when I try navigating through the directory in question in the Finder, the whole share gets unmounted without waning and won't come back for about 10 seconds when autofs remounts it
2010-02-23 05408, 2010
Munger
And look at this ....
2010-02-23 05409, 2010
Munger
tim [at media] ~ $ ls -ld /Volumes/Shared/Music/Beyonc*
2010-02-23 05410, 2010
Munger
drwxr-xr-x 3 tim staff 4096 2010-02-21 13:24 /Volumes/Shared/Music/Beyonc?
2010-02-23 05421, 2010
Munger
iconv thinks that both of those directory names are UTF-8, but as there are no spaces in the names, the encoding must be different for them both to exist
2010-02-23 05458, 2010
nikki
wheels: that doesn't really explain why I can't reproduce the same behaviour on a local fs with the same version of picard... unless it's because I'm using 10.4 and Munger's using 10.5
2010-02-23 05414, 2010
nikki
Munger: I'm guessing one has a precomposed é and one has e + combining acute
2010-02-23 05448, 2010
Munger
That output was from the linux box by the wayu
2010-02-23 05403, 2010
nikki wonders how easy nfs is to set up anyway
2010-02-23 05451, 2010
Munger
nikki, It's trivial
2010-02-23 05439, 2010
Munger
In /etc/exports I have /Volumes/Shared *(async,rw,root_squash,subtree_check,insecure)
2010-02-23 05400, 2010
wheels
NFS is the great satan.
2010-02-23 05404, 2010
Munger
And the macs just mount it with autofs
2010-02-23 05419, 2010
rwman
Munger: ijust tested it ith nfs on linux - all works fine
2010-02-23 05434, 2010
alastairp
damnit
2010-02-23 05444, 2010
rwman
ow.. spelling
2010-02-23 05447, 2010
alastairp
someone's ringtone here has a song that none of us can place
2010-02-23 05430, 2010
Munger
And the alternative is to use a Windows oriented protocol to communicate between two *nix machines?
2010-02-23 05433, 2010
rwman
adding 'é' to filename, which is mounted via nfs does not change anything
2010-02-23 05457, 2010
wheels
NFS is one of those things that really needs to die. Strangely, SMB is way more sane.
2010-02-23 05424, 2010
Munger
With network home directories, NFS just works. I don't need to map any userids
2010-02-23 05453, 2010
wheels
(more fault tolerant, includes discovery, has a half-sane security model)
2010-02-23 05432, 2010
Munger
I don't need all that extra fat on my Lan thank you
nikki, "precomposed and one has e + combining acute" and there I think you have probably hit the nail on the head as to why Qt chooses to see the world differently than all my other software
2010-02-23 05459, 2010
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alastairp
for people with unicode music notes
2010-02-23 05407, 2010
alastairp
navap: trying your link, thanks
2010-02-23 05439, 2010
FauxFaux
Don't upset the rhythm now.
2010-02-23 05413, 2010
Munger
Can't read that
2010-02-23 05424, 2010
navap
Does myspace allow you to embed their music player on your own site
2010-02-23 05409, 2010
alastairp
pitch is wrong, but direction is correct
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Munger
Is it pitched lower than that?
2010-02-23 05436, 2010
alastairp
pass. i'm having real trouble pitching at the moment
2010-02-23 05445, 2010
alastairp
could be ~5th lower?
2010-02-23 05420, 2010
Munger
Reminds me of some choral thing I heard a while back
2010-02-23 05439, 2010
alastairp
it's orchestral, that's the violin line
2010-02-23 05452, 2010
Munger
Sounds very familiar now that I'm associating it with the violin. Reminds of a Jewish tune whose name slips my mind
it's not an mb_server issue, I don't want it showing up among the development tickets assigned to me.
2010-02-23 05419, 2010
brianfreud
Well, transclusion is definitely not a style issue either...
2010-02-23 05401, 2010
brianfreud
it was it being closed with "invalid" that I wondered about
2010-02-23 05437, 2010
warp
isn't that something a transclusion editor can do, then?
2010-02-23 05417, 2010
brianfreud
yes; nikki's the only active one I'm aware of :P
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warp
ok, I've re-opened it and assigned it to nikki.
2010-02-23 05425, 2010
brianfreud
As for the rest, trac is dead long live jira, except that trac isn't dead, if we're gonig to keep w/ the status quo (ie, trac) for style?
2010-02-23 05448, 2010
brianfreud
s*going/gonig
2010-02-23 05424, 2010
nikki
brianfreud: trac is faaar from dead :P
2010-02-23 05455, 2010
nikki
it's still being used as the bug tracker for picard
2010-02-23 05402, 2010
luks
and I'd really prefer to stay that way
2010-02-23 05415, 2010
luks
or some other option if MB is going to get rid of trac
2010-02-23 05422, 2010
luks
I don't like Jira at all :(
2010-02-23 05442, 2010
nikki
aww
2010-02-23 05449, 2010
nikki
at some point someone suggested using launchpad, since that's where the code is
2010-02-23 05422, 2010
luks
yeah, I still prefer Trac, but if the option is Launchpad vs. Jira then Launchpad is the winner for me
2010-02-23 05432, 2010
luks
but that would have to be agreed by outsidecontext
2010-02-23 05437, 2010
nikki nods
2010-02-23 05455, 2010
nikki
if that were to happen, can launchpad send emails to our bugs list? (I presume so since we get emails from picard commits, but I've never used it)
2010-02-23 05419, 2010
luks
nikki: yes
2010-02-23 05413, 2010
brianfreud
ugh... I can live with LP, but I hate the UI... jira's just is so much more "right" to me :D
2010-02-23 05436, 2010
luks
Jira is right for a private company
2010-02-23 05437, 2010
brianfreud
That would also lose the ability to use jira's built-in links between tickets
2010-02-23 05439, 2010
luks
not for an open source project
2010-02-23 05432, 2010
warp agrees with luks.
2010-02-23 05442, 2010
warp
but ruaok needs the scheduling provided by jira
2010-02-23 05454, 2010
brianfreud
style stuff doesn't really need scheduling, right? Or at least, not in a hours/mins way - we only need to know where in the proposal-RFC-RFV-passed process something is.
2010-02-23 05419, 2010
warp
no, but style stuff shouldn't be in a bug tracker at all.
2010-02-23 05435, 2010
warp
for the bug tracker, it's a bad situation that we have two now.
2010-02-23 05441, 2010
brianfreud
well, notes (handwritten or wiki) doesn't feel right as the way to do it either
2010-02-23 05453, 2010
luks
warp: which was why I almost lost interest in MB development
2010-02-23 05409, 2010
warp
brianfreud: agreed, we need something better. but it's not something which can or should be solved now.
2010-02-23 05423, 2010
luks
every time I use MB's Jira I feel like I'm stepping on someone's toes
2010-02-23 05455, 2010
brianfreud
Sure; I'm just trying to find something that's one place, not the current scattershot approach, to get us from now until that theoretical "something else, but several months after NGS goes live"
2010-02-23 05422, 2010
brianfreud
For me, until then, jira was fine; it lacked the major negatives which made trac horrible for the purpose
2010-02-23 05444, 2010
nikki
brianfreud: btw, if you look at pages on http://musicbrainz.org/doc/ you can see if they are transcluded or not :P
2010-02-23 05434, 2010
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2010-02-23 05440, 2010
brianfreud
luks: I can understand that one; too few "assign to someone" and "set to proper project/component/etc" options at the non-dev account level
2010-02-23 05429, 2010
luks
brianfreud: not only that
2010-02-23 05442, 2010
luks
the thing that puts me off that there are estimates on all tickets
2010-02-23 05452, 2010
luks
there is no way I'm going to use the feature
2010-02-23 05417, 2010
luks
so it's like using the bug tracker for two completely different purposes
2010-02-23 05419, 2010
brianfreud
yes, though admittedly, I was just turning that bit out as visual noise
2010-02-23 05429, 2010
brianfreud
s/tuning
2010-02-23 05457, 2010
outsidecontext has not played much with jira
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nikki
outsidecontext: hi :P
2010-02-23 05413, 2010
outsidecontext
hi :)
2010-02-23 05433, 2010
nikki bugs you about that picard thing
2010-02-23 05450, 2010
outsidecontext
yes :) actually i have not forgotten it this time :)
2010-02-23 05453, 2010
nikki
:)
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outsidecontext
about that jira discussion: i found it diffucult to find the list of open tickets. you have to click through quite a lot of different views to get there
2010-02-23 05449, 2010
warp
luks: well, you don't have to use the estimates. that's for aCiD2, ruaok and me.
2010-02-23 05412, 2010
luks
warp: yes, but the estimates are there because you are assigned to the tickets
2010-02-23 05423, 2010
warp
sure
2010-02-23 05447, 2010
luks
I feel like taking someone's work
2010-02-23 05457, 2010
warp
I definitely don't mind someone taking my work :)
2010-02-23 05415, 2010
luks
I do if I do it for free :)
2010-02-23 05426, 2010
luks
it's a psychological thing
2010-02-23 05436, 2010
warp
well, balancing paid developers vs volunteers is always going to be a bit strange.
2010-02-23 05448, 2010
luks
yes
2010-02-23 05405, 2010
warp
luks: the benefit for you as a volunteer should be that you cherry-pick whatever you feel like working on.
